The Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

smitch124 · 10-16-09, 10:14 AM

If there were no oil in the area no one would care, there are similar things going on in Africa that get a big yawn because they have no resources we are after.

Mikail · 10-16-09, 10:19 AM

Buztah I will agree that the U.S should stay out of it. The U.S has tried to intervene time and time again, but to no avail. Their is only one solution and that is, One or the other. It is one of those situations where someone is going to lose and international mediation is not going to be able to have the Palestinians or the Israeli's make concessions. Ultimately it is either No Israel or no Palestine.

stats13 · 10-16-09, 10:23 AM

jews are arabs as well. they are just as vicious and bloodthirsty. the reason we have to care is because of all the jews in the usa as well as all the bible thumpers who care about that region. love america first or get the hell out and move to israel, i say. i'm tired of my tax dollar going to some zionist cause.

buztah · 10-16-09, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by stats13

jews are arabs as well. they are just as vicious and bloodthirsty. the reason we have to care is because of all the jews in the usa as well as all the bible thumpers who care about that region. love america first or get the hell out and move to israel, i say. i'm tired of my tax dollar going to some zionist cause.

stats13 · 10-16-09, 10:25 AM

the biggest bullshit propaganda/farce going around is that "israel is a democracy", said in the sense it is like america. in no way is israel like america. ask the non-jew about what its like to live in israel. the country does not practice and afford freedom to individuals like hte USA does. but that reason is used to syphon our tax money as well.

stats13 · 10-16-09, 10:27 AM

did you know the first carbombings in the region were practiced by zionists trying to drive the british out? the zionists actually brought that tactic to the region. the region's history is full of the jews doing some very indiscriminate and violent acts. but you won't hear about that.

oh, and i love how netanyahu said no israeli soldier should ever serve trial for war crimes. nuremberg much?

Mikail · 10-16-09, 10:30 AM

stats13 you bring up some very good points. All that I have found to be true. The average person is unaware of this though because of the zionist influence on our media and government. Not to mention the jewish lobbyist who push the Israeli agenda.

Dark Horse · 10-16-09, 10:37 AM

The Jewish problem is much older than Israel.

Historical views:

News from the West

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-world-famous-men-said-about-jews.html

stats13 · 10-16-09, 10:47 AM

i have no doubt that most jews love the democratic party outwardly for the social benefit they get from them (mostly because so many jews are lawyers and accountants), and the republicans secretely for the warthirsty nature they exhibit to benefit israel.

and if yo udon't think israel is a major reason we ousted saddam, you are mistaken

Dark Horse · 10-16-09, 11:01 AM

A couple of quotes from the link I posted:

WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton& Co.

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHATAROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION," at the Philadelphia ConstitutionalConvention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of CharlesCotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands.

George Washington, the father of our country, and Benjamin Franklin... 'Conspiracy theorists'?

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:04 AM

must be why Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize: for solving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

A couple of quotes from the link I posted:

George Washington, the father of our country, and Benjamin Franklin... 'Conspiracy theorists'?

Good article. I know that these views can be backed with facts if you look into the history in European countries. The only problem is that when you make these type of statements you run the risk as being labeled anti semitic. Once you get that label then people are less likely to listen to what you have to say.

wtf · 10-16-09, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

Good article. I know that these views can be backed with facts if you look into the history in European countries. The only problem is that when you make these type of statements you run the risk as being labeled anti semitic. Once you get that label then people are less likely to listen to what you have to say.

after they label you, they will then say the next step is holocaust, they love making that massive leap

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by wtf

after they label you, they will then say the next step is holocaust, they love making that massive leap

More non jews died during ww2 than jews. I don't deny the holocaust, but I question the death tolls that are quoted at memorials. Did you know that it is illegal in some European countries to question the holocaust in any way.

wtf · 10-16-09, 11:17 AM

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

can you say ACLU?

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:18 AM

Mikail, it's no wonder you're concerned about being labeled an anti-Semite. You are an anti-Semite. It's not surprising, given your nationality, but do you really expect anyone who reads your posts to not think so? Every time Jews are mentioned, you're there.

As for the Holocaust, what's your point? I'm sure more non-Jews than Jews did die in WW2. However, while he did go after other groups, Hitler's main concern was with ridding Europe of all Jews.

There were many deaths in WW2, and that includes all the military members who died as well as people who died as the result of bombings. That's a little different than extermination camps.

stats13 · 10-16-09, 11:20 AM

its very liberating to not be afraid to call a spade a spade

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by yisman

Mikail, it's no wonder you're concerned about being labeled an anti-Semite. You are an anti-Semite. It's not surprising, given your nationality, but do you really expect anyone who reads your posts to not think so? Every time Jews are mentioned, you're there.

As for the Holocaust, what's your point? I'm sure more non-Jews than Jews did die in WW2. However, while he did go after other groups, Hitler's main concern was with ridding Europe of all Jews.

There were many deaths in WW2, and that includes all the military members who died as well as people who died as the result of bombings. That's a little different than extermination camps.

I don't consider my self an anti semite. I just think that the truth needs to be heard. It has been manipulated by the zionist agenda. I know personally jews who are muslim and I consider them my brothers so I can't in good faith be anti semitic. Also I happen to know that their are a lot of jews who are opposed to Israel and zionism.

Dark Horse · 10-16-09, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

Good article. I know that these views can be backed with facts if you look into the history in European countries. The only problem is that when you make these type of statements you run the risk as being labeled anti semitic. Once you get that label then people are less likely to listen to what you have to say.

Very true. Most of us have been brainwashed into the belief that criticizing and exposing Jewish crimes puts us in Hitler's camp.

That's why it is important to realize that the Jewish problem is nothing new, and that it is a constantly repeating theme. It has been going on for thousands of years.

They control the US media (public opinion) and the financial system (Fed). That type of stranglehold is unacceptable. In the name of freedom. It doesn't matter to me if it's Chinese, Eskimos, or any other group. It's merely an observation that, historically, it's always this same group that operates in this manner. And then they cry when, inevitably, it ends with their expulsion. Why can't these folks live like everybody else who's breathing the free air of this planet?

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

I don't consider my self an anti semite. I just think that the truth needs to be heard. It has been manipulated by the zionist agenda. I know personally jews who are muslim and I consider them my brothers so I can't in good faith be anti semitic. Also I happen to know that their [sic] are a lot of jews who are opposed to Israel and zionism.

Your comments about Europe belie these words.

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by yisman

Your comments about Europe belie these words.

Care to explain how. My comments on Europe are based on fact. Not opinion.

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

They control the US media (public opinion) and the financial system (Fed). That type of stranglehold is unacceptable. In the name of freedom. It doesn't matter to me if it's Chinese, Eskimos, or any other group. It's merely an observation that, historically, it's always this same group that operates in this manner. And then they cry when, inevitably, it ends with their expulsion. Why can't these folks live like everybody else who's breathing the free air of this planet?

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So you're saying Jews always control the media and financial system? How is this possible?

You do know that Jews comprise about 2% of America's population, right?

How can such a small group control everything?

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by yisman

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So you're saying Jews always control the media and financial system? How is this possible?

You do know that Jews comprise about 2% of America's population, right?

How can such a small group control everything?

Not nessesarily the jews. More so the Zionists.

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

Care to explain how. My comments on Europe are based on fact. Not opinion.

Your comments on Europe attack Jews in general. You profess to be just anti-Israel, not anti-Semitic, yet your posts about Europe belie this statement.

stats13 · 10-16-09, 11:35 AM

jews can be just as corrupt and devious and evil as any group. thats all i think. do i think all are evil? no. do i think its infeasible that they are gods chosen people and somehow morally superior? definitely yes.

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

Not nessesarily [sic] the jews. More so the Zionists.

You disagree with Dark Horse, then.

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by yisman

Your comments on Europe attack Jews in general. You profess to be just anti-Israel, not anti-Semitic, yet your posts about Europe belie this statement.

All I did was state that in some European countries it is illegal to question the holocaust in any way. To me this throws up the red flag that something is being covered up. Even at holocaust memorials the death tolls are conflicting, but if someone raises this point they may be breaking the law. This doesn't seem right to me.

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by stats13

jews can be just as corrupt and devious and evil as any group. thats all i think. do i think all are evil? no. do i think its infeasible that they are gods chosen people and somehow morally superior? definitely yes.

I don't think anyone here claimed Jews are "morally superior". What exactly are you arguing against?

Yeah, Jews can be corrupt and devious and evil just like other people. Who would deny that?

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by yisman

You disagree with Dark Horse, then.

Dark horse quoted an article that he posted. In that article there are opinions and facts. The facts speak for themselves. Yes I agree with him that Wherever the jews have migrated in the world there have been problems. As far as whether the jews are to blame. Well... that is a touchy subject. I cannot blame someone for being a certain race or ethnicity. History speaks for itself.

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Mikail

All I did was state that in some European countries it is illegal to question the holocaust in any way.

False. Questioning that is not necessarily anti-Semitic.

That was your only post about Jews?

yisman · 10-16-09, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Very true. Most of us have been brainwashed into the belief that criticizing and exposing Jewish crimes puts us in Hitler's camp. That's why it is important to realize that the Jewish problem is nothing new, and that it is a constantly repeating theme. It has been going on for thousands of years. They control the US media (public opinion) and the financial system (Fed). That type of stranglehold is unacceptable. In the name of freedom. It doesn't matter to me if it's Chinese, Eskimos, or any other group. It's merely an observation that, historically, it's always this same group that operates in this manner. And then they cry when, inevitably, it ends with their expulsion. Why can't these folks live like everybody else who's breathing the free air of this planet?

Originally posted by Mikail

Dark horse quoted an article that he posted. In that article there are opinions and facts.

Incorrect. The post in question wasn't quoting an article.

You were disagreeing with him, not the article.

I personally don't think it's possible for such a small group to control the media and financial system of every country they've been in. That would be quite a feat.

Mikail · 10-16-09, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by yisman

Incorrect. The post in question wasn't quoting an article.

You were disagreeing with him, not the article.

I personally don't think it's possible for such a small group to control the media and financial system of every country they've been in. That would be quite a feat.

I don't disagree with dark horse, but I don't blindly agree completely with his statement/

stats13 · 10-16-09, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by yisman

I don't think anyone here claimed Jews are "morally superior". What exactly are you arguing against?

Yeah, Jews can be corrupt and devious and evil just like other people. Who would deny that?

hollywood, society, academia, many within the pro-jewish groups

Dark Horse · 10-16-09, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by yisman

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So you're saying Jews always control the media and financial system? How is this possible?

You do know that Jews comprise about 2% of America's population, right?

How can such a small group control everything?

Good question. I agree. How is such a thing possible?

You must do the research yourself, however. You will either find it to be true or not. I don't wish to convince you either way. I believe that to be very important in this type of discussion.