The Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

[yisman]

You must do the research yourself, however. You will either find it to be true or not. I don't wish to convince you either way.

You already expressed an opinion.

[Dark Horse]

You already expressed an opinion.

Yes. But I don't expect it to be yours. It easy to see that you're defensive about this matter, and I have to respect where you're coming from; the alternative could be a major disagreement. In this instance I'm speaking in particular about the United States, where I have experienced the problem directly.

[yisman]

I'm just saying that you said you didn't want to convince me either way, when your earlier posts were aimed at convincing people of a particular point of view.

[Mikail]

The point of this thread is that should the U.S interfere in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. I say no.

[Mikail]

I'm just saying that you said you didn't want to convince me either way, when your earlier posts were aimed at convincing people of a particular point of view.

I think he was just expressing his point of view.

[Dark Horse]

I'm just saying that you said you didn't want to convince me either way, when your earlier posts were aimed at convincing people of a particular point of view.

Expressing or sharing an opinion is not the same as trying to convince others. It is interesting that you would equate the two.

[yisman]

The point of this thread is that should the U.S interfere in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. I say no.

Valid point of view.

I think it's interesting that a thread about the Israel/Palestinian conflict was quickly turned into what it was. What does that tell you?

Maybe next time people should stick to the topic at hand instead of derailing threads because of their burning desires.

Why can't posts about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict stick to the actual topic at hand?

[yisman]

Expressing or sharing an opinion is not the same as trying to convince others. It is interesting that you would equate the two.

I don't think your posts jibe.

[Dark Horse]

I don't think your posts jibe.

In any case, if you wish to know if my statements hold any truth, you will have to research the matter yourself. That was my point to you.

I have researched the matter in-depth, and came to a conclusion that was as inevitable as unpleasant. Although you are friendly in this thread, I believe that you would easily jump on the divisive nature of the topic. I can't blame you, nor can I go there with you. I already know that it is divisive. And I hold my opinion in spite of that.

[stats13]

Valid point of view.

I think it's interesting that a thread about the Israel/Palestinian conflict was quickly turned into what it was. What does that tell you?

Maybe next time people should stick to the topic at hand instead of derailing threads because of their burning desires.

Why can't posts about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict stick to the actual topic at hand?

obvious attempt to dismiss any criticism of jews as some kind of insane internal hatred and not reality

[yisman]

Wrong. You responded to a thread about Israel/Palestine with "Jews are vicious and bloodthirsty."

You have some issues you need to work on.

[donjuan]

Well at least the anti-Semites have outed themselves. This Dark Horse character really is an odious cretin.

[stats13]

Wrong. You responded to a thread about Israel/Palestine with "Jews are vicious and bloodthirsty."

You have some issues you need to work on.

I said jews are arabs too, and just as bloodthirsty.

[stats13]

my point was evident - that in regard to the palestinians and jews, there is no moral superiority, thus the us might as well not get involved. we shouldn't back jews over there because they use the same guerrilla tactics and are jsut as bloodthirsty as the arabs. and in terms of bloodlines, they are arabs themselves.

[Mikail]

Jews and arabs are both from the abrahamic bloodline. Arabs are semetic as well as jews.

[donjuan]

Jews and arabs are both from the abrahamic bloodline. Arabs are semetic as well as jews.

The term antisemitism refers specifically to Jews in modern usage.

[Dark Horse]

Well at least the anti-Semites have outed themselves. This Dark Horse character really is an odious cretin.

I place America over Israel or Jewish interests. Unlike most of our politicians who are in Israel's backpocket. If that makes me anti-semite, fine. There is no hatred in my observation. And I'm careful not to be drawn into that type of debate. I'm calling it as I see it, and I will not be intimidated from doing so by the habitual allegations, voiced by shortsighted ones as yourself. By your standard George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were anti-semites as well. So that places me in rather elevated company.

I simply agree with the historical observation, recorded as early as Seneca and Cicero, as well as Christ who threw out the money changers, that Jewish (monetary) influences have corrupted societies. The illegal, and criminal, Federal Reserve is only the latest example of this. Call me antisemite if it makes you feel more comfortable. As long as I have no hatred in my heart, that type of allegation can take no hold. But it is that automatic, kneejerk reaction from the Jewish corner that prevents our politicians from speaking out. Criticism of Israel is considered political suicide in Washington. I ask you. Is that how America should operate? I go by the Constitution of the United States. And I will not sell out this country to corrupt influences, regardless of their background.

As far as I know there is only one people, in the entire world, that places itself above any and all criticism, by immediately equating such criticism with anti-semitism (or anti-itself). Are we to believe that criticizing this one group is evil? Time to wake up and smell the coffee. That charade, that fantastic display of mass hypnosis, has gone on long enough.

[reno cool]

1.It's one thing to be opposed to Zionism (the state of Israel), and quite another to be a stone cold bigot.

2. US does not support Israel because it loves Jews. It does so because it serves US interests in the region. Rest assured Israel is not telling the US elites what to do. The whole notion is comically ignorant.

3. Jews are as diverse as any other group. Lumping everyone together serves no purpose.

Many ridiculous statements in this thread.

[Mikail]

The term antisemitism refers specifically to Jews in modern usage.

Just like the word holocaust is coined in current usage to what happened to the jews in ww2

[Dark Horse]

1.It's one thing to be opposed to Zionism (the state of Israel), and quite another to be a stone cold bigot.

2. US does not support Israel because it loves Jews. It does so because it serves US interests in the region. Rest assured Israel is not telling the US elites what to do. The whole notion is comically ignorant.

3. Jews are as diverse as any other group. Lumping everyone together serves no purpose.

2) wrong. Washington is considered 'Israeli occupied territory'.

3) you can't lump everyone together, but you can recognize historical patterns. That's where the bottleneck is. People either respect each individual and discard the historical patterns, or they look at the latter and discard the individuals. That's the misconception that leads to extremism. It not either/or. It's both. Respect each individual, but, when applicable, hold organized groups accountable.

The historical pattern is repeating once again today, in the US, with the Fed. The recent financial crisis is a prime example. Who created it? The financial institutions. Who paid for it? The People. Who benefited? The bankers. Everybody would agree that being anti-mafia doesn't make one anti-Italian. And yet, where it comes to Jewish crimes, the issue is immediately obscured. To the point where nobody even dares to make the obvious distinction anymore.

Just remember that Christ threw out the money changers. And that he was crucified shortly after. (for the record, I'm not holding Jews accountable for that. I'm asking: why do you think he was crucified? Does it fit into any historical pattern that you may be aware of?)

[donjuan]

Not only are you a complete and utter moron, but you're also a liar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Franklin_Prophecy

[buztah]

Let me stir the pot a wee bit more here. Did the jews kill JFK?

Jesus died shortly after phucking with the Jews n their money. Abraham Lincoln and JFK both were murdered shortly after trying to phuck with the US banking system. Pattern?

DISCUSS!

Plomstein, get in here and defend your tribe, son. We need a jew with chutzpa, you cut kok!

[Dark Horse]

Their financial crimes are of a magnitude that is unfathomable. The Fed that -illegally- prints money out of thin air and charges interest on it, the credit card system (with sky rocketing interest rates), the practice of lending money to third world countries, for the purpose of taking over their natural resources when the loan inevitably can't be repaid. It's always the same song. The Great Depression was directly caused by the Fed. The reason behind financial crises is that people can't pay their loans, and then have to give up their homes and lands. And while the People can't pay their loans, and the stock market crashes, the Fed just prints more monopoly money and through their 'side branches', like Goldman Sachs, buys up all the stock at bottom prices.

And anybody that publicly points out this obvious truth, they will paint as 'devil'. They will assassinate his character, destroy his reputation, or crucify him in other ways. That's how it works, and that's how it has worked for thousands of years.

[reno cool]

Their who's? The secret united society of Jews? Come on man. Sure there are some Jews that have influence and power in this country. But to say that the driving force behind US policy is appeasement of Israel is nonsense.
And what are you proposing anyway? Expulsion of Jews? If that's not racism I don't know what is?

Buzzy, you're out of your element.

[buztah]

Reno, i simply ask the provocative questions. I leave the splainin' to you smart fellers.

[buztah]

Their financial crimes are of a magnitude that is unfathomable. The Fed that -illegally- prints money out of thin air and charges interest on it, the credit card system (with sky rocketing interest rates), the practice of lending money to third world countries, for the purpose of taking over their natural resources when the loan inevitably can't be repaid. It's always the same song. The Great Depression was directly caused by the Fed. The reason behind financial crises is that people can't pay their loans, and then have to give up their homes and lands. And while the People can't pay their loans, and the stock market crashes, the Fed just prints more monopoly money and through their 'side branches', like Goldman Sachs, buys up all the stock at bottom prices.

And anybody that publicly points out this obvious truth, they will paint as 'devil'. They will assassinate his character, destroy his reputation, or crucify him in other ways. That's how it works, and that's how it has worked for thousands of years.

Dark Horse, you make a very compelling argument here. Who out there can come on in and defend the fed? Don't be shy.

[B1Bomber]

My philosophy I like to think is "Live and let live..." I'm not particularly learned about the subject but I do have some questions

1) Seems to me that EVERY culture throughout history has hated, even detested Jews...some have gone so far as to base their entire policy on exterminating them...why is this? Where there's smoke there's fire? Seems to me that an entire historical population of planet Earth cannot be so misguided...

2) Why, for you revisionist historians, is Abraham Lincoln seen as the "Liberator" of the Negro race? Why is he seen as a hero for the black cause? Why is he so celebrated? The American Civil War was not about emancipation...far from it, it was about future political power west of the Mississippi, and that's ALL it was about

Early on, during the campaign, Lincoln proposed sequestering all of the "Negroes" and relocating them to an isolated Caribbean island or, if that was implausible, back to Western Africa...yet our history books today fail to acknowledge this...so now we have a feel-good story (the Emancipation Proclamation) which is total rubbish

If you were in Grant Park during Obama's acceptance speech, as I was, and witnessed first-hand the obnoxious behavior of moronic black teenaged-children, you would see that racism is stronger than ever in the USA

[buztah]

Bomber, good ballsy post.

[wtf]

If you were in Grant Park during Obama's acceptance speech, as I was, and witnessed first-hand the obnoxious behavior of moronic black teenaged-children, you would see that racism is stronger than ever in the USA

can you explain the connection between moronic children and racism, i dont fuking get it

[B1Bomber]

Oh sure I can...Obama announcedthe as the winner...blocks by downtown blocks closed to traffic by Chicago cops...black teenagers EVERYWHERE SHRIEKING "OBAMA!!...**** you Whitey!!!" Most everyone watching on their tv's thought "oh, what a progressive day we are seeing in America" but if you were there and saw how it really was it was simply just sad

[wtf]

Oh sure I can...Obama announcedthe as the winner...blocks by downtown blocks closed to traffic by Chicago cops...black teenagers EVERYWHERE SHRIEKING "OBAMA!!...**** you Whitey!!!" Most everyone watching on their tv's thought "oh, what a progressive day we are seeing in America" but if you were there and saw how it really was it was simply just sad

got it

i thought only whites were racist according to the usa press

[reno cool]

it's important to keep in mind that what mostly matters is whether those who have power over others are racist. What some poor black or white kids believe matters little.

[wild willy]

To be honest,If I heard the whole middle east was destroyed tomorrow while eating my brekfast,I would just smile,finish chewing and not even bother to ask how.
there are more important things in life like New England covering -9.5,then a billion something rag heads fighting over goats,jesus and sand that no other person in there right mind would even consider making habitable.
If they would just learn to continue to fuk there relatives and livestock and kill each other quitely and not to trouble us an take up time on the news,which should be left to more important matters such as sports.
I don't see why we cant all live peacefully.

[buztah]

WW, you are a phucking genius, pal.