Our freedoms stolen from underneath us. Real Life 'Matrix' and 'V for Vendetta'

Jamie_UK · 03-26-07, 05:46 PM

Freedom is simply something that yanks can dream about.

Willie Bee · 03-27-07, 07:47 AM

Yeah, damn us morons on this side of the pond. Why, if only the isolationists had won out, and the darn Japs hadn't performed their little fly over out in Hawaii, the Brits would be free to sprechen sie deutsch right now and throw their right arm up, palm out, whenever an official with the SS drove by.

MBENZ · 03-27-07, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by Willie Bee

Yeah, damn us morons on this side of the pond. Why, if only the isolationists had won out, and the darn Japs hadn't performed their little fly over out in Hawaii, the Brits would be free to sprechen sie deutsch right now and throw their right arm up, palm out, whenever an official with the SS drove by.

That sums it up nicely Willie!

Preussen · 03-27-07, 08:39 AM

I don't want to get too deep into this but I'd just like to state that to me it's funny how the Americans who have, to the best of my knowledge, fought every war (including both world wars) mainly to protect and further their own national interests, still believe they were (and are) heroically fighting just for freedom in the world.

Willie Bee · 03-27-07, 09:04 AM

Likewise Preussen, I find it amusing, though not necessarily of the ha-ha variety, that so many outside the US slam us for alterior motives when we're involved with any and all fights. I'm not so naive to think that we're only there out of the goodness of our hearts and to 'do the right thing.' Lord, anyone with even an inkling of intelligence should be able to come up with the notion that maybe, just maybe, we're involved to protect our own national interests, and if that isn't the sole reason it's at least a very big factor.

Just get tired of the bashing of America just as I got tired of Americans bashing the French a few years ago. We're currently under fire for not taking an upperhand with the Somailian situation, but we'd be roasted for meddling and being up to no good if we simply sent troops in.

Dark Horse · 03-27-07, 09:35 AM

Sorry to say that this has nothing to do with the videos.

The first one is about bankers (and corporations) controlling our government. The government in 1913 gave bankers the power to print money and lend it to the government with interest. This is done through the Federal Reserve, which, unlike the name suggests, is a private company!

That's right. Our money is printed by a private company that charges interest for the privilege of 'borrowing' it from them... Just let that sink in for a few moments. They can print as much as they want, whenever they want it, because it's not backed by gold. It's just paper.

The consequences of this decision in 1913 are more horrific than you could possibly imagine. The only way for people to find out what is going on is by educating the public, because the corporately owned media sure as hell aren't going to tell this story.

America, as it was envisioned (land of the free), no longer exists. It was stolen from us by bankers. I do not know how we can take it back, but I know it's important.

By the way. A little detail:

In 1963, President John Kennedy wanted an end to the Federal Reserve System, which had a strangle-hold on the United States and virtually the world. By a simple stroke of the pen, President Kennedy dismissed the Federal Reserve System and ordered the U.S. government to restore its Constitutional-mandate of controlling the money. President Kennedy was dead three weeks later. When President Lyndon Johnson took office, he immediately rescinded Kennedy's order and the Federal Reserve won another round.

It was actually five months. Not three weeks.

Dark Horse · 03-27-07, 11:08 AM

This is the main point (copied from elsewhere):

The Constitution of the United States gives to Congress the power to coin money. If the U. S. Congress coined its own money as the Constitution directs, it would not have to pay the hundreds of billions of dollars of interest that it now pays each year to the bankers for the national debt, for money that came out of nothing.

The control these people exercise today over America, and their plans for the future, will make your stomach churn. But, if I may say so, you do owe it to yourself and every American to find out.

The US army in the Middle East is fighting not for America, but so these bankers can own the Middle East.

When Kennedy called for a return of America’s currency to the gold standard, and the dismantling of the Federal Reserve System — he actually minted non-debt money that does not bear the mark of the Federal Reserve; when he dared to actually exercise the leadership authority granted to him by the U.S. Constitution…Kennedy prepared his own death warrant. It was time for him to go. — Colonel James Gritz

Dark Horse · 03-27-07, 11:21 AM

Very interesting. At least to me. lol

This single document, signed by JFK, was meant to free America from dancing to the tune of the Federal Reserve Bank. This one document would have restored our freedom. As mentioned, JFK was soon dead.

Executive Order 11110

http://web.archive.org/web/20041015152049/www.jfklibrary.org/exec_orders/eo11110.html

John F. Kennedy vs The Federal Reserve

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superseded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America.

"United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. We compared a "Federal Reserve Note" issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a "United States Note" from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy's Executive Order. They almost look alike, except one says "Federal Reserve Note" on the top while the other says "United States Note". Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number.

President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.

Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something.

Again, according to our own research, just five months after Kennedy was assassinated, no more of the Series 1958 "Silver Certificates" were issued either, and they were subsequently removed from circulation. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. It seems very apparent that President Kennedy challenged the "powers that exist behind U.S. and world finance". With true patriotic courage, JFK boldly faced the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt:

1) war (Viet Nam); and,

2) the creation of money by a privately owned central bank. His efforts to have all U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965 combined with Executive Order 11110 would have destroyed the profits and control of the private Federal Reserve Bank.

From the above it appears that JFK's order is still valid today. Then why is the government not printing its own money? If I judge this correctly, this presidential order means that the Federal Reserve has been counterfeiting money ever since.

Folks, if you thought the last James Bond movie was good, and I did for the first time, that story was only about a 100 million or so dollars. Do you have any idea how much money we are talking about in relation to the Federal Reserve, a private bank which prints its money out of thin air? This is an astronomical crime perpetrated against the US people, every single one of us. This is why people have to work two or three jobs, or why our money is worth far less than in previous generations.

By the way, there is no law, anywhere, that says you have to pay Federal Income tax. It's a hoax. That money isn't used for anything, but disappears straight into the pockets of the Federal Reserve. (Corporate taxes pay for our defense budget, gasoline taxes pay for our roads, etc.).

MBENZ · 03-27-07, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Very interesting. At least to me. lol

This single document, signed by JFK, was meant to free America from dancing to the tune of the Federal Reserve Bank. This one document would have restored our freedom. As mentioned, JFK was soon dead.

Executive Order 11110

http://web.archive.org/web/20041015152049/www.jfklibrary.org/exec_orders/eo11110.html

From the above it appears that JFK's order is still valid today. Then why is the government not printing its own money? If I judge this correctly, this presidential order means that the Federal Reserve has been counterfeiting money ever since.

Folks, if you thought the last James Bond movie was good, and I did for the first time, that story was only about a 100 million or so dollars. Do you have any idea how much money we are talking about in relation to the Federal Reserve, a private bank which prints its money out of thin air? This is an astronomical crime perpetrated against the US people, every single one of us. This is why people have to work two or three jobs, or why our money is worth far less than in previous generations.

By the way, there is no law, anywhere, that says you have to pay Federal Income tax. It's a hoax. That money isn't used for anything, but disappears straight into the pockets of the Federal Reserve. (Corporate taxes pay for our defense budget, gasoline taxes pay for our roads, etc.).

DH,very interesting read,but the last paragraph is very perplexing.There are some very well to do people doing time right now for not paying federal income tax.These people were privy to having the best legal defense money can buy.Don,t you think if there is no law regarding paying federal income tax,these lawyers could have used this to free their clients?
OT,I think the reason Willie Bee jumped in your thread was because he like alot of US posters are getting tired of Jamie UK bashing americans at every oppotunity.I agree with your earlier post that it time to pull the weed before it grows.

Dark Horse · 03-27-07, 02:51 PM

If you watch the video you will have your answer. The lower courts, in several instances, are ignoring a ruling by the Supreme Court! In such cases people have been sent to prison for not paying Federal Income tax. However, nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody can point at a law that requires individuals to pay that tax! It's all mass hypnosis and intimidation. Jurors that have understood this have correctly let people go free (in at least one documented case to the utter annoyance of the presiding judge).

One reason there is no law to pay Federal Income tax is that it pays for no public or government services. That money, as I mentioned, goes to pay off the national debt. The reason we have this debt is that the government doesn't print its own money. The government can and should prints its own money, yet decided to let a private bank do this. Not only that, but they let that private bank charge interest on the money. The question is: why.... Make that: WHY? Bankers and corporations are running our country, politicians are their puppets. It is that simple. Most people realize this to some extent, but what few realize is how far-reaching this control goes. Most assume it is benevolent, and can therefore be shrugged off. My friends, it is not benevolent at all.

The next Orwellian steps that are being planned as we speak are a national ID card (with chip that sends out radio frequency), chips on all consumable products (already in place for several products like Gillette Mach 3) that will allow Big Brother to see exactly what you buy and where, and chips to be implanted into humans for the same reason. I'm not kidding. This is real. The first chips have already been implanted, albeit voluntarily. You wouldn't believe how far the 'we have to fight the terrorists' theme stretches.

(And 9/11 fits seamlessly fits into this).

EBone · 03-28-07, 09:42 PM

(Consider this a movie critique by a non-professional movie critic. I am no Roger Ebert.)

DH, I watched the posted "Matrix" video. I have to say the first part of this movie makes an interesting and compelling argument about not paying income tax. I thought the producer of this movie (name escapes me) did a very good job in trying to find the answer to his simple question, "where is the law that tells me I must pay an income tax on my wages and labor?". I thought that was excellent.

Now, the bad news.......I think it is a monumental stretch to take a federal income tax issue and talk about "New World Orders"...George HW Bush quote was taken way, way out of context in this part. The other part I don't quite understand is this: A graphic was put up at some point in the movie where it said something like (and I'm paraphrasing), "the US Govt collected 220 billion dollars in tax revenue in 2005 from corporations, which is perfectly legal. The US Govt collected 990 billion dollars in tax revenue in 2005 from private citizens, ie laborers and wage earners". I have two points of contention on this and I'll stop on my soapbox:

1) Our government is a huge, huge "corporation" of waste. We have a GAO (general accounting office) that cannot get the numbers for the previous year complete until half way through the next year. Our national budget is much more than just defense, education and highway maintenance and construction. Why is it that there are seemingly an endless amount of lobbyists in Washington DC and that every politician that is voted out of office becomes a lobbyist in their 2nd life in Washington DC? The answer is plain and simple........there is so much money to be had out of our national budget that it is just too lucrative to turn down. If as a lobbyist you can 0.01% of that budget money into your hands, you have virtually set yourself and everyone else you know up for life. To summarize, this is about greed and selfishness. Plain and simple. To make the leap from "there is no law on paying income tax" to "bankers and industrialists are going to take over the world by a New World Order and by putting chips into everything you buy and you'll have one in your arm" to me is a monumental stretch.

2) I have a specific example to share: President Bush has tons and tons of friends and acquaintances in the oil business. In my 9 to 5 job, I have to keep a close eye on the ethanol industry because of how it can effect my company's business as a whole. The Midwest is literally going to be building approximately 50 ethanol plants per year for the next 5 to 10 years. Mostly all privately funded by venture capitalists and Farmer Co-Ops that grow and "own" the feed stock, which is corn (other raw feeds are coming about but that is down the road a bit). Each plant will have a capacity of, at least, 50 million gallons per year of ethanol produced. If this "New World Order" is in the bag, don't you think that the guys holding the money currently would be fighting this vehemently? After all, if the bankers control us all, as is hypothesized in this movie, then why would they let ethanol rule when it is obvious to me that the Oil Company giants would have to be in on this massive banking conspiracy as well? I mean, it is widely reported and recognized that the oil companies are currently making record profits at the consumer's expense. Why let the farmers be in on the action when the big wig oil execs are already in? Now, to be fair, it is possible that the farmers will build the plants and then the Chevron's, Exxon Mobil's and Valero's of the world would come down and buy them. That is conceivable. Also, I think the answer to the record profits by Oil Companies is because they see the writing on the wall about ethanol. They are grabbing their cash now while they are still a viable entity. But why even let the ethanol issue even become an issue? They even let the Corporate owned media report it for crying out loud. That's not too secretive.

DH, please dont consider this an attack on the movie as a whole. I always appreciate seeing some alternative views on what is going on in our world. As a father and a husband, I'm concerned about what direction our world is going. But, this massive conspiracy with a "New World Order" and chip implanting and all that seems, to me, to be really, really far-fetched.

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Dark Horse · 03-29-07, 10:50 AM

Glad you watched it.

I understand the stretch you mention. I had the same experience when I watched the movie. And while chips on consumer products and chips on national ID cards are fast becoming a reality, chip implants should meet with more opposition. I believe that part of the movie could have been introduced better, perhaps by emphasizing something like 'our freedom is being stolen, and as a result this could be in the pipeline next.'

But the central point of the movie stands. Why are we letting a private bank print our money, and pay interest for the privilege of using it, when the government should print it? If the government printed its own money, the national debt would be paid off in no time. There would be no need for Federal income tax. If anything, every American should demand from the government a precise allocation of the tax he paid, like a receipt. (That should be funny, because Federal income tax all goes to paying off the national debt. Or was that only to interest on the national debt?)

Two income families are normal now. And still most Americans are in debt. That all goes back to the 1913 decision. When that woman mentioned to Bush she held three jobs, all he could come up with was ''Uniquely American!" We hear of the medieval feudal system and shake our heads, but we are living in just such a system. Just more hidden. Not American at all, Bush. We need to get back to the Constitution. Fast.

It will be interesting to see how the ethanol story continues. You must have heard about peak oil, and that it is running out. So it wouldn't surprise me at all, in fact I would expect it, if the same players end up owning the new 'gasoline'.

By the way, Tesla wanted free electricity for all. JP Morgan, who financed him, wanted nothing of that. Morgan was one of the bankers behind the 1913 change.