I find this quite pathetic... RE: Greed/Dumb Fukks

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  • Deuce
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 01-12-08
    • 29843

    #1
    I find this quite pathetic... RE: Greed/Dumb Fukks
    PHILADELPHIA – It’s a storyline that could have been lifted straight from a promotional script for Major League Baseball. Jennifer Valdivia, a 12-year-old girl taken to her very first baseball game by her Cuban-born grandfather, is sitting in the right-field stands in Miami’s Land Shark Stadium when one of the game’s top young sluggers, Ryan Howard(notes) of the defending World Series champion Philadelphia Phillies, hits a home run that lands in the row behind her and bounces into her hands, instead of to her envious 15-year-old brother. The ball is not just any home run. It is the 200th of Howard’s career, making him the fastest Major League player to reach that number.
    Not only does Jennifer have a souvenir to treasure, but she is whisked away to the Phillies’ clubhouse with a promise, she says, that she’ll get to meet the great slugger himself after the game.
    But while the final scene of such a feel-good tale does indeed have the girl happily tucking the baseball under her pillow, it comes only after she says she was stood up by Howard, the ball was taken away because the Phillies said he wanted it, and a lawsuit was filed before she was able to get it back, months later.
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    Jennifer Vanegas holds the returned baseball of Ryan Howard’s 200th home run.
    (Photo courtesy of Norm Kent)


    Those are the broad outlines of the story as told by Delfa Vanegas, Jennifer’s mother, and Norm Kent, the Fort Lauderdale lawyer who on Monday filed a lawsuit in Miami after fruitlessly trying to get the ball back from the Phillies, only to have the team finally deliver it by courier the same day.

    “They’re saying I stole the ball from Mr. Howard,” Vanegas said. “I didn’t steal anything from Mr. Howard. Whoever caught the ball, the ball belongs to that person.
    “Why did they take the ball away? Because they knew it was a very valuable ball.

    They took advantage of my daughter.”
    This was not about money, Vanegas insisted, although she admits that she contacted a Miami TV consumer affairs reporter after co-workers told her that the ball’s historical significance gave it added value. The reporter, in turn, put her in touch with Kent.
    According to the lawyer, security officials escorted Valdivia to the clubhouse during the July 16 game and a Phillies equipment manager persuaded her to give up the ball, telling her to come back after the game and that Howard personally would give her a signed ball. “She thought he was going to sign the ball she caught,” Kent said. “She’s 12 years old. She didn’t have a clue.”
    Valdivia came back as instructed, Kent said, but Howard did not appear and a club official sent her home with a different ball autographed by Howard. He said that when he contacted the Phillies, a club official said they couldn’t give it back because they’d already given it to Howard, and offered tickets to Jennifer for a Phillies game when the team returned to Miami in September.
    When Kent pressed the issue, he said he received a letter from the team’s counsel, William Webb, saying the club would return the ball but couldn’t authenticate it, and that Valdivia would have to sign a confidentiality agreement. The lawyer refused.
    It was only when he went to court and filed the suit, he said, that the ball appeared the same day.
    How did Kent know it was the actual ball?
    “The Phillies sent a letter authenticating it. There were stickers on the ball on which they’d wrote, ‘Ryan Howard 200th HR ball off Chris Volstad(notes), with the date,” Kent said.
    “We have no further comment on the matter,” said Casey Close, the agent for Howard, who on Thursday afternoon was playing in Game 2 of the Phillies’ NL division series against the Colorado Rockies. The Phillies also declined to comment.
    Delfa Vanegas said she doesn’t blame Howard, who has a reputation for being fan-friendly.

    The Phillies’ Ryan Howard hit his 200th home run in the sixth inning on July 16, 2009.
    (AP Photo)


    “People are talking so much crap about the ball, and that we just wanted it for the money,” she said. “We had no idea what it was worth. I don’t think Mr. Howard had any idea what was going on. I blame the Phillies’ administration.”
    Vanegas said her daughter plans to keep the ball, at least for now.
    So, how much is it worth? Seth Swirsky is a Los Angeles-based baseball memorabilia collector who owns the ball that went through Bill Buckner’s legs in the 1986 World Series. He recently purchased the cap that flew off Curt Flood’s head while chasing Jim Northrup’s triple in Game 7 of the 1968 World Series.
    “I was offered Mickey Mantle’s first home run ball for $10,000,” he said Wednesday. “I turned it down. I was 30-something and not in position to write out a $10,000 check. That ball sold at
    Guernsey’s (auction) for $850,000.”
    Valdivia’s story reminded Swirsky of the tale of the Milwaukee Brewers employee who caught the last home run of Hank Aaron’s storied career. He planned to return it in exchange for something from Aaron, but dug in his heels when the club demanded he give the ball back to Aaron. He subsequently was fired.
    “Years later,” Swirsky said, “that ball sold at auction for over $800,000.”
    It’s difficult to estimate what the Howard ball will be worth, he said. Howard, 29, has 222 home run in a little more than five seasons and has averaged nearly 50 homers in each of the last four. Barring injury, he could become one of the most prolific home run hitters in big league history before he’s done.
    “Right now I’d say [the ball] would get somewhere between $1,500 and $3,000 in auction. But Ryan Howard, his career has that arc that he could be one of those guys who might hit 700 home runs. Then who knows how much it will be worth?”
    In all honestly, why would you keep it? What is the difference between that ball to you and another fukkin ball given to you? It could be switched and you would have no fukkin clue.


    Howard deserved the ball, it was his, he fukkin hit the milestone, you're just one dumb fukk in the stands that thinks it's yours. Fukk you asshole, you're a worthless human being.
  • Squirrel
    SBR MVP
    • 06-11-09
    • 1316

    #2
    Shut up you plum, its these "dumb fukks" and "worhtless human beings" that allow professional players to earn obscene amounts of money, more in a year than most will in a lifetime. If all it takes to keep the PAYING public happy is a souvenir baseball, regardless of what milestone it was, then these players/teams need to STFU and appreciate the people who make them what they are.
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    • Mikail
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 07-19-09
      • 21689

      #3
      You know they gave her a different ball back.
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      • Deuce
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 01-12-08
        • 29843

        #4
        Originally posted by Squirrel
        Shut up you plum, its these "dumb fukks" and "worhtless human beings" that allow professional players to earn obscene amounts of money, more in a year than most will in a lifetime. If all it takes to keep the PAYING public happy is a souvenir baseball, regardless of what milestone it was, then these players/teams need to STFU and appreciate the people who make them what they are.
        What is the baseball to that fukk? A 200 HR ball will be worth what? What is the difference to the schmuck 12 year old dunce between that ball and another given that was rolling around the bench? Absolutly nothing at all. The fukker is selfish. Howard achieved the milestone himself. It's his, give it to him. I would, you would recieve something nicer in thought for giving it to Howard, prob nice seats to a home game, maybe also a framed and signed jersey, just give the man his fukkin ball.
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        • mathdotcom
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-24-08
          • 11689

          #5
          Girl keeps ball
          Howard gets bucket of the Colonel's finest

          Everyone wins
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          • Squirrel
            SBR MVP
            • 06-11-09
            • 1316

            #6
            Originally posted by Deuce
            What is the baseball to that fukk? A 200 HR ball will be worth what? What is the difference to the schmuck 12 year old dunce between that ball and another given that was rolling around the bench? Absolutly nothing at all. The fukker is selfish. Howard achieved the milestone himself. It's his, give it to him. I would, you would recieve something nicer in thought for giving it to Howard, prob nice seats to a home game, maybe also a framed and signed jersey, just give the man his fukkin ball.
            ...and gets paid millions upon millions to do so by the FANS. The girl caught her very first ball, I dont see the big deal with her wanting to keep it. Whats so important about HR #200 for Howard? Its not a big deal of a milestone, tons of players reach it.
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            • Deuce
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 01-12-08
              • 29843

              #7
              Originally posted by Squirrel
              ...and gets paid millions upon millions to do so by the FANS. The girl caught her very first ball, I dont see the big deal with her wanting to keep it. Whats so important about HR #200 for Howard? Its not a big deal of a milestone, tons of players reach it.
              So, she can have another ball like she does now. That simple. It's his, what does it matter?
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              • Squirrel
                SBR MVP
                • 06-11-09
                • 1316

                #8
                It's not "his" though, first off its the property of major league baseball and then once it hits the stands its public property.
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                • Deuce
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 01-12-08
                  • 29843

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Squirrel
                  It's not "his" though, first off its the property of major league baseball and then once it hits the stands its public property.
                  I see you don't grasp what is actually going on here but are trying to be politically correct...

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                  • Squirrel
                    SBR MVP
                    • 06-11-09
                    • 1316

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Deuce
                    I see you don't grasp what is actually going on here but are trying to be politically correct...

                    Of course I grasp whats going on - I just dont believe baseball players, or any sportsman for that matter, should really be giving a shit about things like this.
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                    • jpete1966
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 09-14-09
                      • 347

                      #11
                      It's her ball, plain and simple. Balls hit into the stands have always been fair game. If he wants it so badly he could easily pay her FMV for it. Besides, it was a 12 year old who was lucky enought to catch a ball in a game. How low does an organization have to get to fast talk a 12 year old out of her prized catch?

                      But to be fair, I'm sure if she got beamed in the head by a Howard foul ball the Phillies, Howard and MLB would immediately say they are responsible since the ball was their property.
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                      • KingCrimson21
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 12-24-08
                        • 216

                        #12
                        This thread has me contemplating lighting my " emergency joint" so I can better analyze the situation. No, I know, it is not an emergency...but I would know the right thing to do it I were to...LIGHT IT UP!!! For now I say that MLB should print on the tickets that they have the right to any equipment that ends up in the stands. They already do that with bats, hats and such. There should be no difference for milestone baseballs. What is the general public going to do? Stop going to games? I doubt it. Cuz we are in the United States of America. United in hate and not having anyone else`s back unless there is something in it for us!!
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                        • KingCrimson21
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 12-24-08
                          • 216

                          #13
                          OK, without the aid of a joint, I have decided. It is selfish and greedy to keep the ball. Who goes to a game hoping to win the lottery. Snot nose little kid did not even buy the ticket that provided her ass a seat, meaning she has NO rights. Now leave the country please snot nose, I am thinking you are here illegally to begin with.
                          I am much more tolerant a person when stoned, so blame my lack thereof on the gov`t for making me be clean to pass a drug test that is against my/our rights.
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                          • DrStale
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 12-07-08
                            • 9692

                            #14
                            Deuce, you are an idiot. Guy makes hundreds of millions of dollars, 12 year old girl has no money. When that ball goes into the stands it becomes the property of whoever ends up with it, like Squirrel said, if Howard wants the ball so bad I'm sure he could offer her money or toys or whatever, christ send her to Disney World, he can afford it. And BTW, its a 200th homerun, thats not even a milestone. Howard will hit twice that easy.

                            Keep ripping on 6th grade girls while defending ridiculously overpaid baseball players. That makes a lot of sense
                            Originally posted by Dark Horse
                            If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                            • Deuce
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 01-12-08
                              • 29843

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DrStale
                              Deuce, you are an idiot. Guy makes hundreds of millions of dollars, 12 year old girl has no money. When that ball goes into the stands it becomes the property of whoever ends up with it, like Squirrel said, if Howard wants the ball so bad I'm sure he could offer her money or toys or whatever, christ send her to Disney World, he can afford it. And BTW, its a 200th homerun, thats not even a milestone. Howard will hit twice that easy. Keep ripping on 6th grade girls while defending ridiculously overpaid baseball players. That makes a lot of sense
                              My point you mongoloid is that fact if he were to walk up to her give her another ball signed mind you and ask for the ball he hit back it should be absolutely fine.
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                              • Squirrel
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-11-09
                                • 1316

                                #16
                                This maybe the first thread in history that has seen one poster called a plum and another called a mongoloid
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                                • DrStale
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 12-07-08
                                  • 9692

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Deuce
                                  My point you mongoloid is that fact if he were to walk up to her give her another ball signed mind you and ask for the ball he hit back it should be absolutely fine.
                                  Its her ball, not his. She can do what she wants with it. If you had caught Bonds or McGwire's milestone balls would you have given them to them? No way you would, you'd sell em and make your money. Unless you can honestly say you would do that youre a hypocrite and need to stop talking.
                                  Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                  If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                  • Madukwe
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 06-11-09
                                    • 601

                                    #18
                                    It's not Howard's ball, it belongs to the girl. She should get to do whatever she wants with it, end of story.

                                    The "you hit it, you get it" rule does not apply in MLB.
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                                    • KingCrimson21
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 12-24-08
                                      • 216

                                      #19
                                      I see it two ways...the girl and her family have a choice. To be greedy or to do the right thing. Like so much else in life, this one is easily solved in this way...If the tables were turned, what would I want done for me. In this case, would the girl want to shell out big dollars over a got damn ball? I doubt it. In our society we can`t do anything nice without being paid for it, which takes away the nice part. No wonder we are hated worldwide...it is NOT just our politicians, it is us.
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                                      • pavyracer
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 04-12-07
                                        • 82905

                                        #20
                                        This only happens in baseball. Try to steal a soccer ball that goes to the stands and you will be escorted out of the stadium and be banned for life.
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