U.S. debate on health care is a warning to Canadians

[betplom]

I call bullshit. Give me a source. Most "life expectency" numbers are based on "apples to apples" evaluations - not country dependent.

You're second in line pal. I called bullshit earlier. I can't wait for the reply.

Obviously I'm not the only one that thinks AndyWend is making this stuff up.

[andywend]

Many countries outside of the U.S. over report stillborn births as opposed to infant mortality resulting in longer life expectancy figures.

This isn't any big secret.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA547ComparativeHealth.html

Scroll down to infant mortality.

I expected a "jackass" type of response from a socialist lunatic like BetPlom but was surprised by Justin's post.

[daggerkobe]

Be careful.

National Center for Public Policy Research is a self described neo-con "think tank" that is a peg below that of the National Enquirer. Jack Abramoff, the disgraced lobbyist and con-man was a member of their Board of Directors.

Not surprising that andy the wacko would cite such a biased neocon site that is full of con-artists.

[andywend]

How dare the National Center for Public Policy Research try and shed some light and defend the U.S. when it comes to their lower than expected ranking as compared to other countries concerning life expectancy.

I guess I should have used a more neutral site like DaggerKobe's favorite beyondchron.org?

Liberal democrats sure do get angry when any organization goes out of its way to defend the United States of America and its core principles. I wonder why that is?

[Jacey]

Very late to show, but to throw some gasoline on the fire..........this would work. It would absolutely work. Not interested in specifics because I talk about and get asked about it all day at work..........but this would be a great thing. I'm in the insurance business, so the "anti" crowd definitely has my interests at heart. Week long vacations to stay at the Fairmont aren't cheap you know (actually I don't, everything is comped and paid for with someone's premium dollars).

[daggerkobe]

Right. A website that once wrote a fluff piece on ExxonMobile because they received nearly half a million in contribution from them is very ethical.

Not to mention hiring criminals on their Board of Directors.

Stupid fuk.

[andywend]

If you disapprove of them, thats more than enough for me to know they are 100% reputable.

You WREAK of FAILURE and don't possess the intelligence to make it on your own. This is one common trait ALL DEMOCRATS share.

You will ALWAYS BE LOW CLASS HUMAN TRASH.

10,565 posts in less than 21 months. Works out to almost 500 postings each and every month.

GET A JOB, YOU WORTHLESS BUM!!!!

[daggerkobe]

More personal attacks from andy the wacko. Typical.

When cornered with facts, lash out.

[Justin7]

How dare the National Center for Public Policy Research try and shed some light and defend the U.S. when it comes to their lower than expected ranking as compared to other countries concerning life expectancy.

Do you have a credible source? I.e. one whose figures have been subjected to peer review, and are generally accepted as unbiased?

Do you have a reason to reject stats from the CDC?

[daggerkobe]

andy the wacko would cite chain letters as a credible source if it agreed with his nutty beliefs.

Typical neonitwit.

[andywend]

More personal attacks from andy the wacko. Typical.

You want to see a personal attack, here is one of your most recent posts:

This dumbfuk claimed I was lying about the repeal of the Car Tax by Ahnuld costing the state BILLIONS in revenue so I posted couple of citations, including Ahnuld's OWN speech where he even admits his repeal of the Car Tax cost the state $4 BILLION a year. But the brain-dead neonitwit seems to have a defense mechanism which ignores FACTS and only accepts BULLSHIT he hears from Rush Limbaugh. This is the same dumbfuk who claimed it was the "liberals" who repealed the Car Tax when it was Ahnuld who signed the Executive Order to repeal it. No wonder this dumbfuk blames the Democrats for everything, he has no clue how the government works! Neonitwits blaming illegals for all their ills, typical. Illegals bring BILLIONS to the economy and occupy millions of farming and construction jobs. These jobs would be completely eliminated if they were all deported. So if you're going to blame them at least learn the FACTS. Yes you can see any doctor with PPO but it will COST YOU MORE, including 100% of the fees upfront. Which is why Majority of Americans belong to HMO which does require you to pick a primary physician. Why am I not surprised that andy the wacko has no clue to the report by the nonpartisian Congressional Budget Office which published a report that says this reform will reduce te deficit by $130 Billion? Both sides of Congress has embraced this report as factual. Seriously, andy the wacko, did you suffer brain damage when your mom tried to strangle you after tue failed abortion? You are the DUMBEST MOTHERFUKKKER I have ever met. You have no clue how budgets or laws are passed. No idea how the economy works. No idea how about healthcare reform. You are completely clueless. I'll bet you need help just turning on the computer because you arent smart enough. I would call you the Elizabeth Hasselbeck of SBR but you actually make her look like a MENSA member in comparison.

DaggerKobe, SportsbookReview should BAN you from posting. Your presence brings down this entire forum.

[andywend]

Justin, the National Center for Public Policy Research is a credible source and what they are saying is 100% accurate.

If you choose not to believe it, then that is up to you.

[daggerkobe]

In other words, andy the wacko has NO credible source.

Only neonitwit websites run by criminals that publish fluff pieces that cater to their sponsors.

[Jacey]

You WREAK of FAILURE

[losturmarbles]

First of all, life expectancy is not a measure of health care. It's a measure of one's environment, lifestyle, and genetics.
The poster that said he couldn't think of a better "measure stick" of health care is a complete idiot.

why didn't you guys ask him for a "credible" source?

Countries that have socialized medecine pretty much all have higher life expectancy than the US. Frankly I dont know what better measure stick there is.

source please.

[losturmarbles]

How can you possibly know how EVERY country with socialized medicine calculates life expectancy, have you personally checked?

Where did you come up with this information?

A link would be nice.

so where did you get your numbers then pal? did you personally count them?

[losturmarbles]

I call bullshit. Give me a source. Most "life expectency" numbers are based on "apples to apples" evaluations - not country dependent.

well first of all they're "life expectency at birth" numbers, so really it's dependent on how you define "birth".

[losturmarbles]

Very late to show, but to throw some gasoline on the fire..........this would work. It would absolutely work. Not interested in specifics because I talk about and get asked about it all day at work..........but this would be a great thing. I'm in the insurance business, so the "anti" crowd definitely has my interests at heart. Week long vacations to stay at the Fairmont aren't cheap you know (actually I don't, everything is comped and paid for with someone's premium dollars).

do like your avatar says and get that shit outta here.

[betplom]

so where did you get your numbers then pal? did you personally count them?

I never made any claims of knowing what is going on in every country outside of North America and I included a link for most if not all of the articles I used to present information.

Pay attention, you are obviously not blind.

[losturmarbles]

I never made any claims of knowing what is going on in every country outside of North America and I included a link for most if not all of the articles I used to present information.

Pay attention, you are obviously not blind.

my bad, you must have made a mistake and responded to andy's post by accident. you meant to address this guy:

Countries that have socialized medecine pretty much all have higher life expectancy than the US. Frankly I dont know what better measure stick there is.

otherwise youre accepting the premise that countries with socialized medicine have higher life expectancy numbers than the US... WITHOUT A CREDIBLE SOURCE!!!

[betplom]

my bad, you must have made a mistake and responded to andy's post by accident. you meant to address this guy:


otherwise youre accepting the premise that countries with socialized medicine have higher life expectancy numbers than the US... WITHOUT A CREDIBLE SOURCE!!!

I'm not accepting any premise, I'm simply posting information/articles I've found online using google.

The outcome of US health reform will have no effect on me so - America is a foreign nation.

I have Canadian healthcare and am very happy with it - while I am aware it can be improved I personally have never faced any of the problems described by the fear mongerers in the US that spread false information about the Canadian system.

Carry on.

[losturmarbles]

poster 1: the sky is green
poster 2: that's false! the sky is blue
betplom @ poster 2: how do you know the sky is blue? why are you making things up?!?

I'm not accepting any premise, I'm simply posting information/articles I've found online using google.

The outcome of US health reform will have no effect on me so - America is a foreign nation.

I have Canadian healthcare and am very happy with it - while I am aware it can be improved I personally have never faced any of the problems described by the fear mongerers in the US that spread false information about the Canadian system.

Carry on.

i'll mark you down as "very happy with it" on the survey i'm taking of canadian's feelings toward socialized medicine.

[betplom]

poster 1: the sky is green
poster 2: that's false! the sky is blue
betplom @ poster 2: how do you know the sky is blue? why are you making things up?!?



i'll mark you down as "very happy with it" on the survey i'm taking of canadian's feelings toward socialized medicine.

Very good, I'll mark you down as annoyed and frustrated at being unable to keep up with the rest of us.

[losturmarbles]

Very good, I'll mark you down as annoyed and frustrated at being unable to keep up with the rest of us.

your wisdom on the subject cannot be questioned.

[betplom]

This was one of the more popular threads, perhaps it should be revisited.

[Waterstpub87]

You should let sleeping dogs lie on that one.

[The Madcap]

This was one of the more popular threads, perhaps it should be revisited.

You might find this interesting:

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/08/24/medical_care_facts_and_fables

specifically this part:

"......a study by Professors Ohsfeldt and Schneider at the University of Iowa, which shows that, if you leave out people who are victims of homicide or who die in automobile accidents, Americans live longer than people in any other Western country.

Doctors do not prevent homicides or car crashes. In the things that doctors can affect, such as the survival rates of cancer patients, the United States leads the world."

[jw]

... so none of those car crash victims or suicide attempts ever get to see a doctor huh ?

[The Madcap]

... so none of those car crash victims or suicide attempts ever get to see a doctor huh ?

Not if they're already dead.

c'mon, you know damn well no one that uses the "life expectancy" argument as a measurement of health care quality is considering our emergency care for gun shot wounds and automobile accident victims as the weak link in our system.