This thread is exactly why I'm going to bitchslap Plommer one day. And I'm not even gonna apologize.
U.S. debate on health care is a warning to Canadians
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BreadSBR Posting Legend
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Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#108Shepard Smith goes off the Fox News reservation
Fox’s Shep Smith Takes Down Fox News Talking Point On Public Option: ‘It’s Not A Government Takeover!’
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/06/smit...
He calls out Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY), a filthy lying GOP prostitute whose taken over $600,000 from healthcare and insurance industries.
Good for Shepard, he actually has a brain and a spine. Too bad he'll be canned from Fox News if the uses either again.Comment -
losturmarblesSBR MVP
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#109Shepard Smith goes off the Fox News reservation
Fox’s Shep Smith Takes Down Fox News Talking Point On Public Option: ‘It’s Not A Government Takeover!’
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/06/smit...
He calls out Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY), a filthy lying GOP prostitute whose taken over $600,000 from healthcare and insurance industries.
Good for Shepard, he actually has a brain and a spine. Too bad he'll be canned from Fox News if the uses either again.
maybe you should use your brain and learn to think for yourself instead of letting a website do it for you.
now why exactly would they edit this clip? for time? they edited out the senator's whole response. classic. good job guy.
thinkprogress version:
unedited version:
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Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#110Conservatives in congress and senate intentionally never talk about how American families and businesses can no longer afford health care costs. For many Americans bankruptcy seems to be the best 'option.' America needs to give the public option a chance. Insurance companies are for the most part stock companies and their responsibilities are to keep shareholders happy. How much of their profifts actually go to health care? The present system is old, oudated, not cost effective, and it needs to changed. There is not much wrong with Medicare and Social Security. They are here to stay. Remember when 'W' tried to hand SS to Wallstreet with his private accounts. It turned out to be one of Bush's biggest fiascos and he spent a billion dollars trying to make it happen. U.S. Medical costs are the highest in the world (twice, of the next highest) and yet Americans die younger. Anyway, our current health care system is in trouble and deserves and needs to be changed and improved.
The hype from corporate owned, news and entertainment broadcast systems that "You're number one in the world, and by the way, Universal health care is bad for you" tells the story, of who really controls your lives.
There's an ass clown on the radio, who gets payed $50 million a year to bad mouth your president and bull@#$% you on what is good for you.. All paid for by the corporate elite.
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Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
- 07-04-08
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#111notice the "[...]" in the transcript.
maybe you should use your brain and learn to think for yourself instead of letting a website do it for you.
now why exactly would they edit this clip? for time? they edited out the senator's whole response. classic. good job guy.
I saw the entire interview - HILARIOUS.
He kept asking EMBarrasso (paraphrase) "So what do the Republicans propose to lower health care costs? I just don't see how you're gonna do it without a public option to keep private insurers honest..."
And EMBarrasso kept stuttering some talking points about tort reform,* and about getting out of the way and "letting the 'free market' work" (which, BTW, is EXACTLY what got us into the current health care miasma).
Only a matter of time until Roger Ailes fires Shepard Smith in a petulant fit of hysterics - and then (after his 6 month contractual cooldown period) I hope to see him on a real news network.
I'd bet if George The Retard was proposing heath care reform, repubs would rush to it like dogs to their own vomit.
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losturmarblesSBR MVP
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#112fine job paraphrasing there shafter, but to be clear he said open up and allow people to buy across state lines and give individuals the same tax deduction that employers get. BOTH of which democrats have put the kibosh on. why? because they want government control of people's health care.
so why is the "public option" allowed across state lines, but not private plans? hmmm...
Now if you don't have insurance, you must either join the government plan, buy your own, or else get FINED. so which one are you going to be doing?? hmmm...
and what happens when people are allowed to spend other people's money? It keeps prices down??? yeah,right.
how exactly is the entity that makes the rules and isn't required to be profitable going to "compete" with the private market? government option means more debt and more taxes which leads to less productivity and less jobs (except government health workers) which lead to more people on the public plan, which continues the cycle.
kinda like the welfare system (which this is). ultimately the government wants everyone on welfare. modern day serfdom. maybe this is why government schools only educated youth up to the point where they will be good government subjects. and the universities are saturated with faux-liberal ideologues who present government indoctrination as some kind of higher thinking. liberals aren't so liberal by definition, you know. and maybe this is why government uses the tax code to socially engineer the kind of people they want. loyal, ignorant, and gullible.Comment -
Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#113WOW.... you do not just drink the koolaid, I think you invented it! Do you care to back up ANY of your outrageous statements with some substance?
If BS were currency, losturmarbles could bail out wall street all by himself.
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losturmarblesSBR MVP
- 07-01-08
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#114if BS were currency, i would be on the street holding a cup in one hand and a sign that says "BS'ing isn't easy" in the other.
meanwhile, you would be making swan dives and doing backstrokes like you were scrooge mcduck in a giant vault of BS currency.Comment -
Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
- 07-04-08
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#115If B.S. Were Concrete losturmarbles would Be Route 66.
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andywendSBR MVP
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#116Remember when 'W' tried to hand SS to Wallstreet with his private accounts
The public option will turn into a total government takeover of EVERYBODY'S medicine due to anti-selection.
While a government takeover of medicine will certainly help all the FAILURES in our society, it will badly hurt all of the hard-working productive members of the middle class who won't have the financial option to opt out.
Helping FAILURES while hurting the hard-working productive middle class is backwards thinking which explains why the democratic party and all of its BRAIN-DEAD supporters are so strongly behind the idea of socializing medicine.
LosturMarbles, people like Shafted will always consume far more than they will ever produce and will always be a huge drag on society. I certainly understand why he favors as much government control as possible as someone else will always be footing the bill.
Whats irritating and downright idiotic of him is his negative reaction to those who actually will be footing the bill being against the idea.
Shafted, the LAST THING I want to do is pay for your medical costs or anyone else who TAKES SO MUCH from this country and gives SO LITTLE.
If paying all of your expenses for a short time meant you leaving the country for good, then that would certainly be an investment worth making. However, all of the drags of society will NEVER leave and the more thats given to them, the more they will want.Comment -
CappySBR Wise Guy
- 07-26-08
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#117First off, Andy I can appreciate the sense of entitlement and selfishness that people who have been wealthy for several generations have. I don't agree with it, in fact I think it is incredibly mislead and ultimately hurts every american.
But for you, a self proclaimed middle class "hard-worker" to feel entitlement and be selfish is ridiculously misplaced. You're a douchebag, there are literally millions of people who work hard and have less than adequate health options. Also, I don't know what you do (maybe you lay brick for 11 hours a day/ 6 days a week, that's hard work) but to judge other people as not working hard implies that you know how hard they work, or that you work so hard that there's no way someone who doesn't have health insurance works harder than you.
But Alas, Andy you are not the problem.
It's those ridiculous soft-cock Dems who either don't actually want to put into law what they've promised or really don't want to hurt the feelings of the useless pricks across the aisle from them. This is getting stupid, they need to actually follow through on this crap, why are we still running semantics back and forth.
So there are three main groups that are seriously against public health care:
Extremely rich people, who will actually be impacted in a financially negative way by this change. But that group is currently raping the american people for money and affecting bad health care to increase profit, so I'm actually against their needs.
Misinformed or cautious people, who either fear change or have been taught by those extremely rich people that this is a bad idea. If it's fear, you have a legitimate concern and I think we would all like to see this done in a coherent and minimum-risk kind of way. If you're misinformed, I feel for you, we as a nation with our "public-option" education have failed you.
Klingons, actually don't get sick, and they feel they shouldn't have to pay into something that they don't need. Can't argue with thatComment -
reno coolSBR MVP
- 07-02-08
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#118gd post Cappy. However, I'm afraid that the well being of the public isn't much of a concern for the Dems either. That's why they always appear to have no backbone. They've discovered that the cost of medical service is becoming too taxing on the government itself. And ultimately govt ends up absorbing most of the cost anyway. So they would perfer to shuffle around some things.
I just got a brochure in the mail stating reasons why "health reform" is needed. Interestingly enough one of the reasons given is: "$99million of your money would be saved by the presently uninsured paying for themselves." So it seems part of their plan is to squeeze out some $ from people who have none.
I'm not sure how much this plan would benefit the public. It might be better than nothing. But I believe until we eliminate insurance altogether and gaurantee universal access, like they do in many other countries the public will not be a primary berneficiery.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#119God forbid giving people the right to have any control where their social security dollars are going. Instead its so much better letting the government have 100% control and then have them tell you the system will be bankrupt the day you turn 65.
The public option will turn into a total government takeover of EVERYBODY'S medicine due to anti-selection.
While a government takeover of medicine will certainly help all the FAILURES in our society, it will badly hurt all of the hard-working productive members of the middle class who won't have the financial option to opt out.
Helping FAILURES while hurting the hard-working productive middle class is backwards thinking which explains why the democratic party and all of its BRAIN-DEAD supporters are so strongly behind the idea of socializing medicine.
LosturMarbles, people like Shafted will always consume far more than they will ever produce and will always be a huge drag on society. I certainly understand why he favors as much government control as possible as someone else will always be footing the bill.
Whats irritating and downright idiotic of him is his negative reaction to those who actually will be footing the bill being against the idea.
Shafted, the LAST THING I want to do is pay for your medical costs or anyone else who TAKES SO MUCH from this country and gives SO LITTLE.
If paying all of your expenses for a short time meant you leaving the country for good, then that would certainly be an investment worth making. However, all of the drags of society will NEVER leave and the more thats given to them, the more they will want.
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andywendSBR MVP
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#120Cappy,
In my opinion, every single person who works at least 40 hours per week deserves the best medical care our country has to offer whether they are making minimum wage or $10,000,000 per year.
However, the responsibility of paying for this medical care needs to fall on the individual and not the federal government.
If any full time worker does not have the funds to pay for complex medical care, a government program should be put into place to loan them money to get them the medical care they need with the understanding that payment arrangements will need to be made to eventually pay back the monies based on the specific income level of the individual. Obviously, a minimum wage worker will never be able to fully pay back the monies lent to them and that would be OK as long as they are making any effort to do so (even if it means paying back $10 per week on a $200,000 bill)
Where I differ from the bleeding hearts has to do with the millions of people living in the country currently on some sort of welfare program along with all the illegal immigrants. These groups should NOT be entitled to any medical care funded by the government and should be turned away unless they somehow have the ability to pay for the medical care they want or need (even in life-threatening circumstances).
Unlimited, free medical care has NEVER been a part of the U.S. and NEVER should be. If this type of medicine does come to pass, it is GUARANTEED that the quality of medicine will erode and erode substantially with the hard working middle class getting screwed the most.
Extremely rich people, who will actually be impacted in a financially negative way by this change. But that group is currently raping the american people for money and affecting bad health care to increase profit, so I'm actually against their needs.
Do you honestly believe a U.S. government takeover of medicine will result in lower costs for all while not sacrificing the quality of medical care being delivered by the system currently in place as Obama and the democrats continue to claim?
The truth of the matter is most full time workers do have medical insurance and are getting the medical care they need while those on public assistance are complaining their medical needs are not being adequately addressed. If Obama's plan is passed, the leeches of society will see the medical care they receive being enhanced while the hard working middle class are going to see a serious reduction in the medical care they will receive.
Where is the justice in that?
I would support any change when it comes to medical care if it meant specifically helping the hard working members of our society even if it meant my taxes being increased to do so. What I don't want to see happen is the quality of medical care eroding for all the hard working people to benefit the leeches and since Obama's plan will accomplish exactly that, I will continue to oppose his plan.Comment -
reno coolSBR MVP
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#121those on public assistance get medicaid. Which is in fact better than most any insurance you can buy. The problem in fact is for those that pay for the shitty insurance and get the run around when service is needed. Also those who work or are laid off and looking for work.bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
bettilimbroke999SBR Posting Legend
- 02-04-08
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#122Andy dropped out of school in the 2nd grade and has been living off his daddy's money ever since, you can tell this just by listening to his theories on the role of govt in society, basically if a person needs help it is backwards to help them bc the govt shouldn't help "FAILURES" (anyone who didnt inherit the financial success of their parents or have a high paying job)
Just for the record andy how do you figure the quality will erode by DOING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE, this is just a govt insurance option just like the insurance you pay for now except they're not trying to make billions in profitsComment -
Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#123The U.S. spends the most annually on healthcare, twice the amount of the #2 ranked spender, yet we're ranked 39th in QUALITY OF CARE.
Since 1999 insurance premiums have gone up 131%. THAT IS THE PROBLEM...Not Quality. You should be paying considerably lesss and will when healthcare reform IS passed. Hopefully a public option is included so that there is more competition to keep the monopolies honest. Competition always benefits the consumers.
The average cost of job-based family health insurance climbed 5 percent to $13,375 in 2009, making this the 10th straight year that health care premiums have increased faster than workers' wages and overall inflation have. Insurance costs have increased 131 percent since 1999, when a year of family coverage cost about $5,791, according to the 2009 Employer Health Benefits Survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust .
That supercharged growth rate far outpaces the 38 percent increase in wages and 28 percent growth of inflation over the same period.
If this is NOT fixed it wil cost jobs and less people to be covered because companies & small businesses will no longer be able to insure their employees...and THAT is already happeningComment -
andywendSBR MVP
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#124bettillimbroke, 15 years of hard work along with a little luck led to enough financial security to fully retire before the age of 40.
Unfortunately for you, that $8/hour wage you're currently earning isn't going to do the trick no matter how much money you're able to squeeze from the more productive members of society through Barack Obama and the democratic party.
Just for the record andy how do you figure the quality will erode by DOING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE, this is just a govt insurance option just like the insurance you pay for now except they're not trying to make billions in profits
The U.S. spends the most annually on healthcare, twice the amount of the #2 ranked spender, yet we're ranked 39th in QUALITY OF CARE.
If you have a full time job in this country with medical benefits, you receive the #1 ranked care on the planet.
If you're an unproductive leech, then the care you receive might be ranked 39th in the world which is probably far better medical care than you actually deserve.Comment -
brooks85SBR Aristocracy
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#125the real sad part is, anyone who thinks this health care bill is a good idea, is an idiot, typical idiot who voted for obama.
Think about it, Democrats from obamas own party do not want this bill, why do you think he is trying to pass it so fast.. called earmarks.
Remember those things he said his bills would never include, earmarks? LOL, right.. Thank god 150 million tax-dollars are going to bee preservation from obamas last bill, that is nobel peace prize worthy.Comment -
andywendSBR MVP
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#126In order to even be considered for the Nobel, the first requirement is you have to lean far to the left politically.
Al Gore, Paul Krugman and now Barack Obama are fine examples of 3 individuals who only won the award due to their political views and had nothing to do with their accomplishments.Comment -
Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#127In order to even be considered for the Nobel, the first requirement is you have to lean far to the left politically.
Al Gore, Paul Krugman and now Barack Obama are fine examples of 3 individuals who only won the award due to their political views and had nothing to do with their accomplishments.
Low lifes like ANDY that never graduated high school and watch Jerry Springer reruns all day long, and voted for Bush, the worst President in history, can never have this country back They must go to their Glenn Beck led bunkers underground and leave the rest of us normal intelligent people alone.
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andywendSBR MVP
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#128You had to go back quite a long way to come up with Kissinger, Mother Theresa and Friedman.
The Nobel is certainly far different today than it was when those 3 individuals won the award.
Shafted refers to himself as a normal intelligent person. Does this sound like a normal intelligent person?
Shafted said:
I'm About to preorder that new Sarah Palin book!
Yep, you read it correct, i'm about to order that new Sarah Palin book!
just so I can tear out every single page ONE BY ONE and use it to wipe my ass!!!
Unfortunately, there is some truth to your statement about people like you taking over my great country and the U.S. is going to pay dearly for it.Comment -
The GeneralSBR Posting Legend
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#129Insurance companies vs. the US Government. What a choice to have. The freedoms are wonderful, but no one said easy to deal with. Talking about choosing a tortuous method of death for yourself. I'm ok with about anything, but anyone seriously trying to decipher of whom which to trust more, God Bless.Comment -
Shafted69SBR Hall of Famer
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#130Andy's a fawkin trailer park troll. Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion? Nice cumback Andy. Now wipe my sperm off your lips.
Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people.
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DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
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#131
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reno coolSBR MVP
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#132What a joke to force people to buy insurance. This is their great plan. I wonder who this helps.
So what, everyone will have to be registered somewhere with the medical-insurance police? Otherwise you get fined?bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
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#133
no kidding huh?
speechless.
More government rule. Get used to it. Banks, Car companies, medical insurance and so on and so on ...........Comment -
andywendSBR MVP
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#135[COLOR=#000000 !important][COLOR=#000000 !important]What a joke to force people to buy insurance. This is their great plan. I wonder who this helps.[/color]
[COLOR=#000000 !important]So what, everyone will have to be registered somewhere with the medical-insurance police? Otherwise you get fined?
[COLOR=#000000 !important]RenoCool, its not too often that I agree with you but I certainly do about this.[/color]
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[COLOR=#000000 !important]I can't see how the government is going to be able to enforce this as it sure sounds unconstitutional.[/color]
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[COLOR=#000000 !important]Nobody should be forced to buy anything and that certainly includes medical insurance. However, people need to understand there are consequences for making such a decision and that includes being turned away for medical care if you don't have the ability to pay for it.[/color]
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Does anyone have any idea what all these damn color lines are?Comment -
Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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ElevenSBR Wise Guy
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#137Countries that have socialized medecine pretty much all have higher life expectancy than the US. Frankly I dont know what better measure stick there is.Comment -
andywendSBR MVP
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#138Countries that have socialized medecine pretty much all have higher life expectancy than the US. Frankly I dont know what better measure stick there is.
This statement is 100% false as countries that have socialized medicine calculate life expectancy rates differently than in the U.S.
For example, if a infant dies in its first year of life, the majority of countries outside of the U.S. do NOT include this in their calculations while the U.S. does.
If you want to talk life expectancy, then the comparison should be based on the 85-90% of Americans that do have medical insurance as their life expectancy rates are far longer than the 10% that do NOT have insurance.
Eleven, judging by your English, its pretty safe to assume you do NOT reside in the U.S.
The vast majority of Americans do NOT want the low quality medical care that your socialized medicine provides. Why would you care what the U.S. does in this regard?Comment -
betplomSBR Posting Legend
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#139
Where did you come up with this information?
A link would be nice.
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Justin7SBR Hall of Famer
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#140This statement is 100% false as countries that have socialized medicine calculate life expectancy rates differently than in the U.S.
For example, if a infant dies in its first year of life, the majority of countries outside of the U.S. do NOT include this in their calculations while the U.S. does.Comment
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