[sickler]

Guy has no money.

Waiting on losers to pay so he can pay the winners.

[pavyracer]

Actually the procedure Tony used is being pulled over at various D- books. A couple of years ago I was naive and let my balance grow to $6,000 from a $1,000 deposit at a D- book. When I asked for a $5,000 cash out I got the runaround excuses day after day. They were hoping I will start blowing it. I stepped on their throat and called them 5-6 times daily until they payed me. It took six weeks to finally get paid but in the meantime I grew my balance to $8,000. Finally the owners decided to pay me off because they realized the more they delayed the payout the more they were bleeding from my sharp action. Sharp players do not get beat by these bookie tactics because they have a game plan when they gamble. Now if I was one of Tony's customers I would have personally flown to NY and beat the hell out of him. I would have gotten my money one way or the other. Especially after I knew him for about a year here at SBR. You don't pull this shit with a hot tempered dude like me who can snap at a moment's notice if cornered.

[Bread]

Actually the procedure Tony used is being pulled over at various D- books. A couple of years ago I was naive and let my balance grow to $6,000 from a $1,000 deposit at a D- book. When I asked for a $5,000 cash out I got the runaround excuses day after day. They were hoping I will start blowing it. I stepped on their throat and called them 5-6 times daily until they payed me. It took six weeks to finally get paid but in the meantime I grew my balance to $8,000. Finally the owners decided to pay me off because they realized the more they delayed the payout the more they were bleeding from my sharp action. Sharp players do not get beat by these bookie tactics because they have a game plan when they gamble. Now if I was one of Tony's customers I would have personally flown to NY and beat the hell out of him. I would have gotten my money one way or the other. Especially after I knew him for about a year here at SBR. You don't pull this shit with a hot tempered dude like me who can snap at a moment's notice if cornered.

This post pretty much sums up why Pavy is a top 3 poster at SBR.

[jjgold]

Nice Summary Paver

[flyingillini]

Pavy is a well schooled player!

[Nicky Santoro]

we might have just witnessed history here at sbr. .. that coudl very of well been paver's best post of his 20,000 posts ever here at sbr..

that was funny.. and he's right.. paver does give sharp action to books. paver has been banned by 93% of books out there..

If we still had the POTM awards, paver might have clinched it with that post. he would be the leading contender now.. he has had a great July.. i can't see anyone else with any chance.. those kids all from June disappeared, so paver had this one clinched.

but too bad it's been postponed..

[MrMonkey]

we might have just witnessed history here at sbr. .. that coudl very of well been paver's best post of his 20,000 posts ever here at sbr..

that was funny.. and he's right.. paver does give sharp action to books. paver has been banned by 93% of books out there..

If we still had the POTM awards, paver might have clinched it with that post. he would be the leading contender now.. he has had a great July.. i can't see anyone else with any chance.. those kids all from June disappeared, so paver had this one clinched.

but too bad it's been postponed..

Sicky your too much! By the way, nice improvement on the avatar.

[jjgold]

AAO as of right now is still waiting for a payment, it is suppose to be this evening

Tony do the right thing here

[sickler]

AAO as of right now is still waiting for a payment, it is suppose to be this evening

Tony do the right thing here

You can't get blood from a turnip.

[jjgold]

AAO still waiting, Tony said he had 4k in his pocket

Well why just not send it then?

[pico]

jj go bail him out. just like how you bail out richkas by paying tony 500.

[wtf]

jj do the right thing

pay aao

it is your duty

[sickler]

Post the results, though this could be a setup. One NY boy doing another NY boy a favour. Bogus debt of 4-5K paid in full, resulting in newfound confidence in ability of bookie to pay. Damage control.

[ryanspeer2001]

I have yet to involve myself with this but I was a winning player with Tony for about 6 months. Small time bettor but as recent as 3 weeks ago he paid me $133. From LAST week he owes me $145 that he said that I would have it Wednesday, then Thursday, he called me at night and wanted to know the city/state to send the transfer too. Since I suppose he dried up on Paypal.

Unsolicited by me he emailed me at 1:22am Friday morning claiming payment was coming that day. Saturday he texted me to alert me he was paying.

As of now....no payment. It has been one full week and and 4 days of lies. Tony has never, ever had a problem paying me my small amount promptly when I had roughly 8-9 winning weeks over the course of a few months. I am waiting to see what happens but I am not holding my breath and this is why even knowing the dangers of betting with a no-cred bookie kept my limits very very low. $50 max bet and $200 credit account.

Anyone else getting paid let me know. I will promptly post if he pays anytime soon.

[Nicky Santoro]

i wouldn't even bet with tony with paver's money...

in fact, i wouldn't even bet with tony with monopoly money..

[Shortstop]

ryanspeer is involved in this too? WOW!

Ryno, you're one of the last guys I would think would have taken the bait.

Am I the only poster NOT involved in this scam?

[ryanspeer2001]

ryanspeer is involved in this too? WOW!

Ryno, you're one of the last guys I would think would have taken the bait.

Am I the only poster NOT involved in this scam?

You may be. I'm sure there are many other posters here that have not come forward for the fact that they are either bias towards anything Tsop does or they are even or only hurt for enough that they will swallow their pride and not say anything.

I have spent countless hours speaking with Tony for many months and had a very good working dialog.

Did I bite the bait. Yes certainly but not as a matter of desperation or foolishness but his service was a true convienence to me as I am such a small time better for fun that even if he burned me it could never be anything worth fussing over.

My first 3 weeks I was up a respective $133, $66, $70ish. He paid by Monday morning no problem. All time with him I may be about even and possibly up IF he pays this $145.

Either way he provided a much better service for me than just taking bets.

THE JUICE. At -104 I was able to take action from local friends and acquainentces of mine and charge them a bit more juice. There were plenty of weeks where I may have had to pay Tony $50 or so dollars but I probably made just as much hedgeing my bets out. Easy money. Best part of it too was my friends were aware that I was taking $1-2 cut per bet since I was helping them out too so they didn't need to post up until it was time to pay me.

I will miss Tony's services.

[Nicky Santoro]

THE JUICE. At -104

you got the short end of the stick at -104.. i swear he offered me 1 cent lines, and at 3k a game with a 20k credit limit and more if i wanted..

if i thought tony was legit, i could have retired after awhile of this.. i could have played 10 games a day for 3k at -101.. and then play 3k at +115 the other side at matchy... and have some nice 14 cent scalps on 10 games a day of 3k..

mathematically, i would have made well over 2k a day in scalps alone..

if i would have done this, i would have made about $15,000 a week alone, RiSK FREE.. that would have been sweet for 10 min a night of work.. (if you wanna call it work)

but too bad i knew he was out to take a shot at me..

[wtf]

nicky, i assume you got better lines for the size of wager/desperation on his behalf

[Nicky Santoro]

nicky, i assume you got better lines for the size of wager/desperation on his behalf

i told him i dont need him, i got matchy. he said, NP, i will give you whatever lines you want. i said how about 1 cent lines? he said, sure, NP.. then he said 3k a game is ok.. he said he'd set up the site to take 3k a game and set up for 1 cent lines.

i told him tony, i am going to hammer you with 1 cent lines. you know i will beat you to every # and have a big edge over you.. he said, you never know, you can still lose.. you can easily win or lose.. depends if you get lucky..

i guess he was hoping for a bad run from me.. which was possible.. you know, if i went on a bad run for 2 months betting 3k a game with him, i could have easily lost over 125k with him.. but i'd win probably 150k at matchy in that period, but still, i'd lose 125k to him..from scalping..

can you imagine if that happened? tony would have ran off with 125,000 bucks of my money, and i woudl have made his life..

That's exactly what he was hoping for with me.. it was a complete shot by him and i knew this the whole time cause he emailed me for the 1st time right after that vid with JJ about me being up 90k at bookmaker.. his eyes lit up and knew i might be a great catch for him and i might have a lot of money to give him.

[wtf]

yes nicky, i see his motivation it is transparent

but you were clever to ask him to post up with jj, if he was serious he would do it, then let the chips fall where they may

[Nicky Santoro]

i swear the last time i ever heard from him was on a SAT night at 2 am. he called me and i told him no use talking about it now until we speak to JJ. i told him to call me on WED and we will call jj and arrange me and him sending JJ 15k each and JJ will hold it and he will pay us and we will give jj 5-10% of our winnings, or 300$ a week..

so that was the last time i heard his voice again, as he never called me back and never arranged this with JJ.. i guess that scared him away. i guess it wasn't what he had planned..

but i remember telling him, tony, how the fukk do you expect me to trust a guy for 20k who i don't even know anyting about.. i don't know what he looks like, i dont' know where he lives. i can't trust a total stranger on a forum for 20k. .that's what he wanted to do with me.. just trust each other.. no thanks.. he can easily stop posting and change his handle and i will nver find him. i told him this.. it's too easy to stiff..

why would he send me (a guy he don't even know) 28,450 bucks when all he has to do is stop posting and change his name.. isn't this easier..

[jjgold]

LOL!!!!

Nicky that was classic, I was gong to be a big timer banker between you too!!! I never would of doen it anyway as would of been too much time and hassle running to a bank and being a middleman, Nicky it was fun how you and I played around with it and got some good laughs. This kid cannot even pay someone $100!!!

He keeps telling AAO he is sending money right now and never sends it, what a fukkin fraud and liar.

I think from day one he lied about everything from where he lived , ect, ect

he did the smae thing with posters lying about meeting, he never showed up once

[reno cool]

AAO still waiting, Tony said he had 4k in his pocket

Well why just not send it then?

How's AAO betting this kind of money? With a forum bookie no less. What's the little meatball up to?
Tony owes money to more people here than I thought gambled

OTW for **** sakes. Is this whole thing a set up or a joke?

[sickler]

How's AAO betting this kind of money? With a forum bookie no less. What's the little meatball up to?
Tony owes money to more people here than I thought gambled

OTW for **** sakes. Is this whole thing a set up or a joke?

Refer to this thread: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...wes-me-5k.html

According to him, was acting as an agent.

Tough to separate fact from fiction around here. Believe or not. Your choice.

[jjgold]

Tony still telling stories about how he has cash but will not pay AAO

says he is busy

[reno cool]

thnx Sickler. Sounds like both sides tried to free-roll one another. They figured maybe by mistake someone would pay.

[jjgold]

What a stiff this guy is

cannot even pay $150

[sickler]

hmmmmmm

[jjgold]

He told AAO over 20 times this weekend he was on his way to the store to send him money via ** and the liar never sent it to him.

What a fukkin conman liar

[tacomax]

mathematically, i would have made well over 2k a day in scalps alone..

And that $2K is only on one of your accounts. If you treated this like your usual scam you could open 9 more accounts and you could clear $20K a day no problem.

[CashMoney]

Tony still telling stories about how he has cash but will not pay AAO

says he is busy

Damn stiff someone for 3 weeks and he's 2 busy to pay?? At least I only got stiffed for $780

[jjgold]

LOL yeh he keeps saying he has errands to run...LOL!!!!

It takes 10 minutes to pay someone, he has no money to pay any players

[pavyracer]

I spoke with him via skype earlier tonight. Here is what he said: "Pavy..I'm scared for my life bud..What should I do? I didn't listen when you told me I'd get burned by sharps with my soft lines..Can you loan me 25K from your massive bankroll to pay my pals at SBR? I promise I pay you back when Celtics win the NBA finals in 2010..Thanks pally"

[blittydeuce]

you got the short end of the stick at -104.. i swear he offered me 1 cent lines, and at 3k a game with a 20k credit limit and more if i wanted..

if i thought tony was legit, i could have retired after awhile of this.. i could have played 10 games a day for 3k at -101.. and then play 3k at +115 the other side at matchy... and have some nice 14 cent scalps on 10 games a day of 3k..

mathematically, i would have made well over 2k a day in scalps alone..

if i would have done this, i would have made about $15,000 a week alone, RiSK FREE.. that would have been sweet for 10 min a night of work.. (if you wanna call it work)

but too bad i knew he was out to take a shot at me..

I did this to a lesser degree during march madness, always bought the 5 points for -164 though against the ML at matchy