Got restricted at DK because "they're worried about me"

[USCPHILLYGUY]

I really want to meet TheWoj dude.

You’re in New Orleans right

[milwaukee mike]

@Woj, if gambling is becoming a genuine problem, it might not be a terrible thing to have set deposit limits?

Also chasing to pay debts is rarely a winning strategy. I also think that what STR said about working out a betting style where you are not losing consistently is a winning strategy long term. If you can do that, then you could move on to D2bets level of profiting consistently.

Otherwise a gambling hobby is almost always going to have a cost you need to be willing and able to bear.

there's one time i would disagree with that though... let's say someone has a 30k/year job... and they have 30k in debts with no assets

the best financial strategy should be to beg and borrow every dollar they have to make a 60k bet, if they win they are out of debt with some nice cash... if they lose, pull a brocklanders and declare bankruptcy

gives them a 50/50 chance, and both ends of the equation are still a better life than living with that debt

[Optional]

there's one time i would disagree with that though... let's say someone has a 30k/year job... and they have 30k in debts with no assets

the best financial strategy should be to beg and borrow every dollar they have to make a 60k bet, if they win they are out of debt with some nice cash... if they lose, pull a brocklanders and declare bankruptcy

gives them a 50/50 chance, and both ends of the equation are still a better life than living with that debt

"only in America" :-D

[hawkwind]

" Not True" the Left is making our REPUBLIC a PENAL COLONY & we are almost a TWIN of AUSTRALIA TIME for the REVOLUTION to begin & FREE our ONCE GREAT COUNTRY. We must END the LEFT send half to the Aussies & the other half to Ireland for the cattle barbecue so they can join the cattle sad to lose 200,000 cattle but a 100 Million lefties, well we'll be able to breath again

"only in America" :-D

[ThaWoj]

there's one time i would disagree with that though... let's say someone has a 30k/year job... and they have 30k in debts with no assets

the best financial strategy should be to beg and borrow every dollar they have to make a 60k bet, if they win they are out of debt with some nice cash... if they lose, pull a brocklanders and declare bankruptcy

gives them a 50/50 chance, and both ends of the equation are still a better life than living with that debt

I declared bankruptcy 19 years ago. The rules are much different now. You have to be a bum or have a shit ton expenses to qualify for chapter 7. I've been told i make too much money at my job and would have to do chapter 13. Even then the lawyer wants 4000 up front for chp 7 and 2600 up front for chp 13 and i would have to pay all my debts still in ch 13 but I would be on a payment plan and have some balances reduced depending on creditor agreements. Would have to speak in front of the judge/bankruptcy court periodicly also to "show progress"

[Eddy Munny]

there's one time i would disagree with that though... let's say someone has a 30k/year job... and they have 30k in debts with no assets

the best financial strategy should be to beg and borrow every dollar they have to make a 60k bet, if they win they are out of debt with some nice cash... if they lose, pull a brocklanders and declare bankruptcy

gives them a 50/50 chance, and both ends of the equation are still a better life than living with that debt

How do you beg and borrow your way to 60K? If that was even possible, no bet would be necessary. He'd literally be out of debt and have 30K under his mattress for a rainy day.

[TheMoneyShot]

They care about their license as well as being sued by players for losses later.

If they ignored Woj he could set them up for a civil court case down the track.

Responsible Gambling guidelines mean any US licensed book you say things like "I am broke", "I need this money to pay bills", "I need this withdraw today to pay for my dieing mother's medical expenses" are required to investigate or suspend your account.

I just find it humorous that any gambling establishment is out to "PROTECT US". lol if they're out to protect anyone... just close the doors and put a lock on it. Don't act or be a hero trying to save us... you're in business because the house always wins. Just ridiculous. There's money to be made... that's why a casino is in business. A bar is in business because there's a lot of drunks. A drug dealer is in business because someone is hooked on a substance. All 3 aren't making money if we aren't IN THE PICTURE. You need humans... to make money.

[Eddy Munny]

I just find it humorous that any gambling establishment is out to "PROTECT US". lol if they're out to protect anyone... just close the doors and put a lock on it. Don't act or be a hero trying to save us... you're in business because the house always wins. Just ridiculous. There's money to be made... that's why a casino is in business. A bar is in business because there's a lot of drunks. A drug dealer is in business because someone is hooked on a substance. All 3 aren't making money if we aren't IN THE PICTURE. You need humans... to make money.

They're mitigating liability, I don't even think they're trying to deceive anyone. Both player and book know that in order for each to win, the other has to lose. There's no negotiating that aspect. They're strictly doing what's required of them in order to stay in business, no different than paying taxes etc.

[TheMoneyShot]

They're mitigating liability, I don't even think they're trying to deceive anyone. Both player and book know that in order for each to win, the other has to lose. There's no negotiating that aspect. They're strictly doing what's required of them in order to stay in business, no different than paying taxes etc.

But what are the so called parameters? When do we call it excessive? For example... if a guy goes to the local bar every day to have a drink... and he gets drunk.... and he has cancer of the liver... do we blame the bar? Or himself? Or just act of God?

Likewise... people gamble for a thrill... what would be consider excessive for a judge... or for that matter... an attorney to accept the case? It's strictly judgement... and to each their own... on that said judgement. Again... no parameters.

WOJ was just simply setting up customer support for a few freebies... he had no idea they would shut the door on him. Basically its total bullsh## for DK to do that to him. 7 days he will get an email stating... we have come to the conclusion that this was optimal time for you to cool down... please deposit your money today... thank you. Like I said... these casinos can go F themselves... they aren't fooling anyone.

[Eddy Munny]

But what are the so called parameters? When do we call it excessive? For example... if a guy goes to the local bar every day to have a drink... and he gets drunk.... and he has cancer of the liver... do we blame the bar? Or himself? Or just act of God?

Likewise... people gamble for a thrill... what would be consider excessive for a judge... or for that matter... an attorney to accept the case? It's strictly judgement... and to each their own... on that said judgement. Again... no parameters.

WOJ was just simply setting up customer support for a few freebies... he had no idea they would shut the door on him. Basically its total bullsh## for DK to do that to him. 7 days he will get an email stating... we have come to the conclusion that this was optimal time for you to cool down... please deposit your money today... thank you. Like I said... these casinos can go F themselves... they aren't fooling anyone.

Liver cancer would be impossible to prosecute, but if bartender at a local watering continued to serve an individual, without hesitation, who was visibly intoxicated and was known to be without a designated driver, and that individual gets behind the wheel and hurts themselves and/or others, there may be grounds for a case. That's all I'm saying.

Most people wouldn't start a DM to their book with "I'm broke, please give me a bonus" or whatever so I don't think it's a situation that books have to monitor very often. But if a person is destitute and doesn't hide the fact whatsoever, I'm guessing some books follow a protocol to, as I said, mitigate liability in the rare event that it bites them in the ass.

What's the hostility towards the book all about? I don't think they're trying to fool anyone. I mean maybe there's someone on the other end with a moral code, but more likely they're protecting themselves. That's fair. Part of running a business is to hedge against potential losses. It's not like Woj had to volunteer that information in the first place. I mean damn, he didn't even play his cards right to secure a bonus, no wonder he can't hit the broadside of a barn with wagers.

As long as a book honors bets and payout requests, that's all the rest of us should be concerned about.

[Goat Milk]

Well you might end up with a suspended account then too if you "milk them" by crying poor.

I'm not gonna, but don't care if he does it. Everyone on here bashing him. DraftKings has been doing shady shit for years. Just the kind of shit they did to rise to the top how they did is another thread in itself. DraftKings objective is to bury every single poster on this forum. Books make it seem like they care about responsible gambling but we all know it's a pr stunt and legal reason. They want to ruin everyone financially. So yeah, I have no issue with someone who's donated big money to them already to milk them.

[ouzoun]

Hold my beer.

[Eddy Munny]

I'm not gonna, but don't care if he does it. Everyone on here bashing him. DraftKings has been doing shady shit for years. Just the kind of shit they did to rise to the top how they did is another thread in itself. DraftKings objective is to bury every single poster on this forum. Books make it seem like they care about responsible gambling but we all know it's a pr stunt and legal reason. They want to ruin everyone financially. So yeah, I have no issue with someone who's donated big money to them already to milk them.

Nobody's bashing Woj for seeking another handout. They're bashing him for being an incorrigible degenerate who revels in his own misery.

[5mike5]

Book is afraid he's gonna off himself if he doesn't get that FP. Lol. Funny and sad all in one.

[ThaWoj]

But what are the so called parameters? When do we call it excessive? For example... if a guy goes to the local bar every day to have a drink... and he gets drunk.... and he has cancer of the liver... do we blame the bar? Or himself? Or just act of God?

Likewise... people gamble for a thrill... what would be consider excessive for a judge... or for that matter... an attorney to accept the case? It's strictly judgement... and to each their own... on that said judgement. Again... no parameters.

WOJ was just simply setting up customer support for a few freebies... he had no idea they would shut the door on him. Basically its total bullsh## for DK to do that to him. 7 days he will get an email stating... we have come to the conclusion that this was optimal time for you to cool down... please deposit your money today... thank you. Like I said... these casinos can go F themselves... they aren't fooling anyone.

Lol they already reinstated me, it only took like 12 hours but like I said "Jackson" booted me from the vip program deeming I am not the type of player their vip club wants LOL.

Anyways Im already up like 700 tonight and if the M's win it will be even more. Had the reds live for the nice comeback win. Only deposited 300 so i plan on getting up to 1300 and cashing out. That sure will make up for them not giving me a $50 free play

[ThaWoj]

Nobody's bashing Woj for seeking another handout. They're bashing him for being an incorrigible degenerate who revels in his own misery.

Another hand out. Never got one in the first place clown.

[Goat Milk]

Nobody's bashing Woj for seeking another handout. They're bashing him for being an incorrigible degenerate who revels in his own misery.

This entire forum is full of degenerates bro. You're one too. We are all typing on a random forum full of addicted gamblers and we've all been here for years, a decade+. I have 25,000 posts on this site. If that's not a gambling degen by modern definitions I don't know what is.

[Eddy Munny]

This entire forum is full of degenerates bro. You're one too. We are all typing on a random forum full of addicted gamblers and we've all been here for years, a decade+. I have 25,000 posts on this site. If that's not a gambling degen by modern definitions I don't know what is.

I strongly disagree. That's like saying anyone who drinks is an alcoholic. The thing is even if you bet sports on a regular basis it doesn't necessarily make you a degenerate... lol and posting on a message board pertaining to the subject certainly doesn't. You're chasing a very "inclusive" definition I guess so we can all pretend that Woj doesn't have a problem. That doesn't help his cause at all.

[Eddy Munny]

Another hand out. Never got one in the first place clown.

Whatever. You made no effort to challenge the second statement so we at least agree on that much.

Stop betting cold turkey and develop a new hobby or interest to fill the void. Commit yourself to reading five self-help books before you place another bet. After completing the task, maybe you'll feel compelled to continue betting, maybe you won't, but you'll be better served either way for having done so. You're a fukking adult, set some boundaries, set some goals. Little ones are better than none.

[lakerboy]

This entire forum is full of degenerates bro. You're one too. We are all typing on a random forum full of addicted gamblers and we've all been here for years, a decade+. I have 25,000 posts on this site. If that's not a gambling degen by modern definitions I don't know what is.

Winning and losing separate degeneracy. I love to talk sports and gambling. Winning over time is all I'm obsessed with and trust me that's what im doing.

[littlekona]

All you gotta do is complain how the site functionality sucks and that half the time promo's dont get applied. I message them all the time with messages like your sites cost me $XXXX because promo was not applied or site didn't except my bet. I like DK prob my fav book USA with most markets fast as withdrawls...But man I get emails from many the USA sites about responsible gambling ect I dont blame them here

[Optional]

Most people wouldn't start a DM to their book with "I'm broke, please give me a bonus" or whatever so I don't think it's a situation that books have to monitor very often.

I think you might be surprised how many people do actually ask the same way Woj did.

It probably worked quite well with offshores.


Although it is kind of "funny" to imagine a CR local CS operator who probably earns less per week than the customer is risking per bet, having to listen to that customer cry poor.

[wombat]

Never understood why people keep reminding Woj that he has a problem. I’m sure he is fully aware and it really isn’t a problem when he’s winning. Who cares about asking for freeplays, we’ve all been there.

Comps are factored into every books profit margin so if it’s available then why not?

[BeatTheJerk]

I think you might be surprised how many people do actually ask the same way Woj did.

It probably worked quite well with offshores.


Although it is kind of "funny" to imagine a CR local CS operator who probably earns less per week than the customer is risking per bet, having to listen to that customer cry poor.

Imagine saying that to Tony from 5 dimes back in the day. That would be golden content to screenshot for his reaction. Tony was known to get involved with the chats if he was available & requested.

[hustledouble]

Is this thread a meme? Feels like it

[milwaukee mike]

How do you beg and borrow your way to 60K? If that was even possible, no bet would be necessary. He'd literally be out of debt and have 30K under his mattress for a rainy day.

i'm confused as to how borrowing 60k would be getting him out of debt lol

when i started out, i could get 5-10k on at least 10 different cards... and i don't think i was making more than 30k

gambling is pretty much a problem for everyone, even if the degeneracy lays dormant for years

my son went bust last week... and just last night i shoved off a ridiculous amount on tilt

sucks when you hit an exacta for $1297 and can only think of the larger amount lost the night before