Should Pete Rose be in the HOF?

[BuckyOne]

HOF should be disbanded due to conspiracy to be discriminatory.

I would enjoy seeing somebody like Rose,Bonds, Clemens sue the HOF for financial damages!

Expose the unethical and legally unfair treatment to many. No consistency and absolutely attempting to punish individuals as the voters see fit.

[stevenash]

HOF should be disbanded due to conspiracy to be discriminatory.

I would enjoy seeing somebody like Rose,Bonds, Clemens sue the HOF for financial damages!

Expose the unethical and legally unfair treatment to many. No consistency and absolutely attempting to punish individuals as the voters see fit.

It's a museum.

[MinnesotaFats]

It's a museum.

I think it's actually privately owned by the DuPont Family...so truth is, they could put him in if they wanted.

Guys- can you tell the story of baseball without Barry Bonds, Clemens or Pete Rose?

No you cannot. Therfore they belong in.

[stevenash]

Guys- can you tell the story of baseball without Barry Bonds, Clemens or Pete Rose?

No you cannot. Therfore they belong in.

This makes no sense.
None.

So you're saying I can't tell...
Never mind.

[BuckyOne]

It's a museum.

Good way to put it. Seems like it really bothers the players that do not quite get enough votes

[adila1401]

nope

[JIBBBY]

Petey should get in. He's a gambler, he's one of us!!!

[clockwise1965]

Petey should get in. He's a gambler, he's one of us!!!

This

[Mac4Lyfe]

The writers still would have gotten paid regardless of what they wrote.

Clemens and Bonds were the ones who profited the most, not the writers.

I get it, you think they belong and won't go visit Cooperstown because they're being blackballed.
I'll stop going to Cooperstown f they do get elected.

Those two didn't save baseball.
I read baseball history; I've read where the Black Sox scandal will destroy baseball.
Yet here we are.

Huh? Bonds and Clemens were both superstars before steroids and would have still been the best even without them.
What rule did Clemens and Bonds break? Why do you feel they should NOT get in? Do you really think they were the only guys using steroids? EVERYONE was using it and it was perfectly legal. Bagwell and Biggio both used it here in Houston. I know the needle guy. David Ortiz failed a test. Something Clemens and Bonds never did.

The government tried to tell us that Steroids were/are bad for us but where are the bodies? Steroids when prescribed by a doctor is perfectly safe. The only side effect of steroids is that they work. More and more men will realize this once they start aging. This witch hunt on steroids will one day be laughed at. Total overreaction.

[stevenash]

^
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said those two didn't belong?
I did say those two didn't *save* baseball.

Not for nothings I'm on record, multiple times as saying my stance on them have flipped flopped several times on whether or not they belong, never once did I say they definably do not belong.

[homie1975]

I don't think so, just based on the stupidity of two things:

1) signing the lifetime ban that Giamatti asked him to sign. who the hell signs something like that?
2) he never admitted to gambling on games until recently. the evidence against him was a mountain. he should have just admitted it from the getgo. he waited 25+ years to come clean, it was too late.

keep him out.

[stevenash]

Clemens and Bonds I'm still up in the air on, Rose's big ego kept him out and I still say keep Rose out.
That's where I stand.

I don't know needle men, I do know several insiders inside the game however.

[Mike Huntertz]

Clemens and Bonds I'm still up in the air on, Rose's big ego kept him out and I still say keep Rose out.
That's where I stand.

I don't know needle men, I do know several insiders inside the game however.

Rose's big ego kept him out and Balco Bond's big head couldn't fit through the door. hahah

[Mike Huntertz]

[Bcatswin]

Seems like there's one of these threads a couple time's a year about Pete. But yes, hell yes.

[PD77]

<———- He even admitted it and signed my baseball, of course he should be in the HOF.

[stevenash]

And another thing, Rose was a compiler.

[DwightShrute]

Should Lance Armstrong, the most successful rider in the Tour de France, who finished first seven times before his wins were removed from the record books after being found guilty of doping by the USADA in 2012, be recognized in some kind of HOF thing?

Should a two-year investigation, which revealed how disgraced referee Tim Donaghy who conspired to fix NBA games, whom he did it with and the millions of dollars that flowed from the conspiracy, have NO impact on his legacy as a NBA referee?

If your answer in NO for both, then it must be no for Rose and Bonds.

[DwightShrute]

Should Lance Armstrong, the most successful rider in the Tour de France, who finished first seven times before his wins were removed from the record books after being found guilty of doping by the USADA in 2012, be recognized in some kind of HOF thing?

Should a two-year investigation, which revealed how disgraced referee Tim Donaghy who conspired to fix NBA games, whom he did it with and the millions of dollars that flowed from the conspiracy, have NO impact on his legacy as a NBA referee?

If your answer in NO for both, then it must be no for Rose and Bonds.

[teecee]

should Barry and Roger be in the Hall?

Easily

[JacketFan81]

Pete Rose is 100% no. Bonds and Clemons 110% no.

[teecee]

The fact of the matter is that I could not give a flying fukk about whether they are in the hall of fame. I appreciated watching them do their thing and to me that's all that matters. I was thoroughly entertained and having done that, they fulfilled their obligation to me as a fan. What more could I ask for?

[thetrinity]

Ain’t a guy that killed someone in there

[stevenash]

The fact of the matter is that I could not give a flying fukk about whether they are in the hall of fame. I appreciated watching them do their thing and to me that's all that matters. I was thoroughly entertained and having done that, they fulfilled their obligation to me as a fan. What more could I ask for?

Not a thing.

[sweethook]

hell yes 100 % ..

[gummo]

Who even watches baseball anymore?

[Doublethink]

No, no, and no. Pete, from the time you got in the MLB in 1963 you saw a sign in every MLB clubhouse or dugout that explicitly says the rules about gambling on baseball. Even if you only had a high school degree, I know you can read. Ignorance of infantile megalomania is no excuse. The investigators know what you did. You chose to ignore the signs and take the risk of the consequences. OK not everyone in the baseball hall of fame is a saint but what you did is not excusable. NO HALL OF FAME FOR YOU.

[MinnesotaFats]

No, no, and no. Pete, from the time you got in the MLB in 1963 you saw a sign in every MLB clubhouse or dugout that explicitly says the rules about gambling on baseball. Even if you only had a high school degree, I know you can read. Ignorance of infantile megalomania is no excuse. The investigators know what you did. You chose to ignore the signs and take the risk of the consequences. OK not everyone in the baseball hall of fame is a saint but what you did is not excusable. NO HALL OF FAME FOR YOU.

Your post is ignorant

From the time Ruth & Cobb & Williams came into the league alcohol was illegal, blacks weren't allowed, spitballs were legal, night games were illegal by city ordinance, pot was bad and there were no gay players.

Today MLB has an open gambling partner and Marijuana is allowed.

The rules aren't alway right, laws aren't permanent and idiots like you make my point.

Pete Rose belongs in the HOF. You can't tell the story of baseball without Pete Rose

[Doublethink]

You talkin about ignorant?

Major_League_Rule_21.pdf (mlb.com)

[Doublethink]

What didn't u understand d'head? Don't ever call me ignorant. Or an idiot. I have 2 college degrees. Pete Rose isn't eligible for the HOF because he broke the rules that made him eligible. You can't tell the story of baseball without Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds but they are right now not being voted in the HOF because they're not being voted in by the decision makers. How can you say alcohol was illegal when Ruth came in? His father owned a bar in Baltimore?

[MinnesotaFats]

What didn't u understand d'head? Don't ever call me ignorant. Or an idiot. I have 2 college degrees. Pete Rose isn't eligible for the HOF because he broke the rules that made him eligible. You can't tell the story of baseball without Mark McGwire or Barry Bonds but they are right now not being voted in the HOF because they're no being voted in by the decision makers. How can you say alcohol was illegal when Ruth came in? His father owned a bar in Baltimore?

Now you're not only ignorant but also stupid.

You can take your college degrees and stick them up your ass. I make more money then you, I have more money than you, I'm smarter than you and I'm wildly more successful than you.

Rose is ineligible because the HOF changed the ruled TWO YEARS after Pete signed the deal with Giamatti.

Now I've dealt with ideologs like you many times. You think your shit doesn't stink...but you know what does stink? The rules & the rule makers.

Again, thru history, gays, blacks, women, trans, youth, immigrants, etc have been oppressed by the rules enacted & enforced & changed mid stream by losers like yourself.

You cannot tell the story of baseball without Pete Rose. And you can not tell the modern story of baseball without Bonds, Clemens or MGM sportsbook.

To cite the gambling rules, implemented by Landis, is equivalent to citing an opinion on black voting rights espoused by Jefferson Davis.

You sir- are a fukking idiot.

[Doublethink]

Toss in McGwire also.

[MinnesotaFats]

McGwire
Palmerio
Bonds
Rose
Schilling
Clemens
Petite
Rameriz

[Doublethink]

Whatever u say. Tell me when u want to meet me. Tri-state is fine by me. NYC vicinity is best. All fukking idiots are welcome there.

[stake1]

Rose should be in as a player. His mistakes came as a manager