Bills@Chiefs Live Thread

[Fred The Hammer]

But wouldn't they have to touch it? You can't fair catch it? It's going to take time off the clock, no?

Say they squib it to KCs 30 and the guy takes a knee then it eats 2 sec tops. Tries to run it and maybe 3 more sec?

[budwiser]

Had KC -2.5 for 2*

Not once did I sweat that.
Josh Allen cannot win close game.

beautiful. EXACTLY. CHOKE ARTISTS, FRONT RUNNERS

scuse me fellas while i go CA$H. THANKS FOR THE CA$H BILLS FANS!!

[wombat]

The clock has to run.

They would have immediately down the ball. It doesn't take 5 seconds. One second off the clock max.

[Orbison]

why did i think that NFL OT rules change come playoff time where each team is guaranteed a possession regardless?

didn't that use to be the rule or am i imagining that?

[hehfest]

Dont be surprised if Cincinnati wins next week....expect the unexpected. You have to blitz him in the last 13 se onds...prevent defense fuks u again. Bills qb amazing

I said the same exact thing to the TV. I didn't have a dog in the fight as I won my bet already. They have to blitz him rush the throw, etc. Nope, they sat back and played that forever loser mentality prevent defense. That shit only helps wihen you're up 21 points to kill some extra clock and prevent a bomb. Its just stupid outside of that.

[Mac4Lyfe]

the thing is u simply down it the clock stops and u have much better field position than from the 20

The 25...

[pavyracer]

why did i think that NFL OT rules change come playoff time where each team is guaranteed a possession regardless?

didn't that use to be the rule or am i imagining that?

The only difference in playoffs is you have a 15 min OT and not 10 min. Everything else is the same.

The Falcons lost to Patriots the same way in Superbowl. Never got the ball back.

[Kermit]

Had KC -2.5 for 2*

Not once did I sweat that.
Josh Allen cannot win close game.

He won the game twice.

[Thor4140]

The number one defense in the league. Was there and over and under on how many times we were going to hear that. It probably was close to how many points that shitty defense gave up. 42 i think it was. Allen had to almost die to score points. Mahome made it look easy every drive.

[hehfest]

why did i think that NFL OT rules change come playoff time where each team is guaranteed a possession regardless?

didn't that use to be the rule or am i imagining that?

Don't think so. The rule needs to change. They need to each get the ball from the 50 and see what they can both do. Just like defensive holding penalties (5 yard penalty) giving team a first down even if its 3rd and 30 (dumbest rule on Earth in any sport). OT needs to change too.

[Fred The Hammer]

Take some leg off of the KO and put it on the 10 or 15 and the game is over. Real heartbreaker. Glad it didn't happen to the Colts

[seaborneq]

That was worse than the Music City Miracle. Buffalo is cursed.

[clockwise1965]

Wow. What a game.

[chase1]

why did i think that NFL OT rules change come playoff time where each team is guaranteed a possession regardless?

didn't that use to be the rule or am i imagining that?

Nah It's always been the same since they changed the OT rules awhile back. I wish.

I had KC +7.5 in one teaser but BUF +3.5 in another. Thought I had won both but Mahomes pulls off the unbelievable

[Kermit]

Both defenses were cooked. Whomever won that coin toss was going to win.

[jtoler]

The 25...

oh ok they changed like college I guess

[Mac4Lyfe]

Not once he takes a knee. Maybe 1 second

Have you ever seen a guy field a ball and only 1 second goes off the clock? Never. At least 4 or 5 seconds goes off there. Just have to squib it to at least the 30 to 25 yard line. Ideally squib it hard enough to tip off someones hands.

Madden football has the same situation in it. LOL

[jjgold]

Buffalo is cursed

Shame on defense coach

[chase1]

Have you ever seen a guy field a ball and only 1 second goes off the clock? Never. At least 4 or 5 seconds goes off there. Just have to squib it to at least the 30 to 25 yard line. Ideally squib it hard enough to tip off someones hands.

Madden football has the same situation in it. LOL

Yes all the time.

Once he touches it he doesn't run but takes a knee = 1 second

[Fred The Hammer]

Have you ever seen a guy field a ball and only 1 second goes off the clock? Never. At least 4 or 5 seconds goes off there. Just have to squib it to at least the 30 to 25 yard line. Ideally squib it hard enough to tip off someones hands.

Madden football has the same situation in it. LOL

They're not fielded cleanly quite often so you have a point. I wasn't even thinking FG though....they probably weren't either. I was thinking get to midfield and Hail mary

[KRIT]

It’s easy to say Bills blew that game, but multiple times KC blew it too. Great game, both teams deserves to lose and win.

[Orbison]

Nah It's always been the same since they changed the OT rules awhile back. I wish.

I had KC +7.5 in one teaser but BUF +3.5 in another. Thought I had won both but Mahomes pulls off the unbelievable

so the only OT rule that ever changed was that a made FG on the first drive of OT doesn't end the game?

i don't know why, but i thought the whole "first touchdown of OT" rule only applied to regular season games.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Take some leg off of the KO and put it on the 10 or 15 and the game is over. Real heartbreaker. Glad it didn't happen to the Colts

They can fair catch any ball anywhere. If they fair catch it at the 10 or 15 then it comes out to the 25. If they fair catch it at the 40 it comes out to the 40. The best thing is to squib it deep and some time has to come off the clock. Anything else and they can fair catch.

[Fred The Hammer]

If they just tackled Kelce off the line on that play they'd get def holding 5 yards but the clock doesn't reset I think?

[Fred The Hammer]

They can fair catch any ball anywhere. If they fair catch it at the 10 or 15 then it comes out to the 25. If they fair catch it at the 40 it comes out to the 40. The best thing is to squib it deep and some time has to come off the clock. Anything else and they can fair catch.

Thats college only I think. I'm almost sure

[chase1]

so the only OT rule that ever changed was that a made FG on the first drive of OT doesn't end the game?

Yes I believe so. Old rules were whoever scored first even if it was a FG won. Regular season rules apply the same in the playoffs....a TD wins it unless they kick a FG then the other team has a chance

[Mac4Lyfe]

Yes all the time.

Once he touches it he doesn't run but takes a knee = 1 second

Please show me a kickoff that only had 1 second go off the clock? Not even in KC is that happening. Do you know how hard it is to catch a hard squib kick? Most likely the up guy fumbles the ball and much more time goes off the clock.



The Bills should have asked wikipedia...

Basically the squib kick is used at the end of the half or end of the game to run out the clock, and keep the ball away from a top of the line return guy. You basically pooch it down the field so someone bigger has to pick it up and run with it, instead of putting it in the hands of the other teams return specialist.
According to Wikipedia:

The Squib kick is a tactic used to prevent a long return, usually at the end of the half. On average the receiving team will gain better field position than it would returning a normal kick. However it is considered worthwhile by the kicking team, as it is more difficult to return for a touchdown. Also it must be returned, which isn't the case on a touchback, and thus it takes time off the clock and often brings the half to an end.

[Seattle Slew]

That's another great point. I was thinking the same thing. Tackle the guy. The 5-yards does nothing, and they don't get the time back.

They should have done that on the first snap at 13 seconds.

If they just tackled Kelce off the line on that play they'd get def holding 5 yards but the clock doesn't reset I think?

[Bluehorseshoe]

They can fair catch any ball anywhere. If they fair catch it at the 10 or 15 then it comes out to the 25. If they fair catch it at the 40 it comes out to the 40. The best thing is to squib it deep and some time has to come off the clock. Anything else and they can fair catch.

You need to bounce it down the middle. Not pooch kick it.

[Mac4Lyfe]

This will haunt Bills fans for a looong time.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We&#39;ll hear a lot about the unfairness of overtime rules. But the Bills kicked it in the end zone with 13 seconds left rather than using 4-6 seconds with a squib kick. And then let KC get in FG position. <br>But what a game..</p>&mdash; Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1485448596552044544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Bills squib kicked and forced Chiefs to field the kickoff it woulda taken 5 seconds off the clock leaving time for a Hail Mary MAX. Their special teams f**ed up and their defense blew it twice. Whining about OT rules detracts from an INSANE Chiefs performance.</p>&mdash; Jimmy Failla (@jimmyfailla) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimmyfailla/status/1485453289890144256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are no OT rules if McDermott just does a squib kick, burning 3-4 seconds there would have been huge.</p>&mdash; Zac Clark (@zacwclark) <a href="https://twitter.com/zacwclark/status/1485452401754746882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fred The Hammer]

I have shitty squibs though where the ball gets grabbed cleanly by the 2nd line. Imagine the shit Buffalo gets if the guy gets to the 40 and burns 3 seconds.

[Demonata]

Chiefs and rams winning. Was a great day!

[chase1]

Please show me a kickoff that only had 1 second go off the clock? Not even in KC is that happening. Do you know how hard it is to catch a hard squib kick? Most likely the up guy fumbles the ball and much more time goes off the clock
The Bills should have asked wikipedia...

Basically the squib kick is used at the end of the half or end of the game to run out the clock, and keep the ball away from a top of the line return guy. You basically pooch it down the field so someone bigger has to pick it up and run with it, instead of putting it in the hands of the other teams return specialist.
According to Wikipedia:

The Squib kick is a tactic used to prevent a long return, usually at the end of the half. On average the receiving team will gain better field position than it would returning a normal kick. However it is considered worthwhile by the kicking team, as it is more difficult to return for a touchdown. Also it must be returned, which isn't the case on a touchback, and thus it takes time off the clock and often brings the half to an end.

Listen I agree I said earlier they should of pooched it but if the guy catches the squib cleanly then the clock starts once he takes possession. If he doesn't do anything but take a knee then no way 4 or 5 secs run off. I'll give 2 seconds but doubt it would be more than 1. Either way I didn't agree of kicking it out of the end zone

[Mac4Lyfe]

That's another great point. I was thinking the same thing. Tackle the guy. The 5-yards does nothing, and they don't get the time back.
They should have done that on the first snap at 13 seconds.

Yep, that's a great strategy. You grab all the receives at the LOS and don't allow them to go downfield. Best way to eat clock. I've thought of that many times before but it never crossed my mind tonight. Nice.

but hindsight is 20/20. Coaches do not think deep in crunch time, then you have the players too. I coached a game this summer where we were beating the #3 AAU basketball team by 1 with only 3 seconds left. We had fouls to give. I clearly told them to foul over and over and over again in the timeout, do not allow them to get up a shot. They didn't foul and the other team got a layup. I asked them what happened and 2 of the guys said they never heard me say foul.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Listen I agree I said earlier they should of pouched it but if the guy catches the squib cleanly then the clock starts once he takes possession. If he doesn't do anything but take a knee then no way 4 or 5 secs run off. I'll give 2 seconds but doubt it would be more than 1. Either way I didn't agree of kicking it out of the end zone

Yeah, we'll never know. But we all knew kicking it out of the end zone was horrible. So, by default the only thing to do was to squib kick and hope it hits someone and they fumble around.


But Fred and Seattle gave the real strategy once the ball was in play. Just tackle them at the LOS. Which is not so easy BTW. Those receivers are experts at getting off the line without being held/tackled.