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  • False Start
    SBR High Roller
    • 12-08-21
    • 238

    #1
    "Emotional Hedge"
    Hi everyone. I've only been here for about a week, so forgive me if this has been discussed before.

    About nine or 10 years ago, I started doing what I termed an "emotional hedge" when it came to gambling. (I doubt I invented the term- heck I KNOW I did not invent the strategy)

    I have only two serious gambling buddies, and they had never heard of this idea, and now they love it.
    I want to hear how many of you do this, too.

    Basically, you bet ON teams (or politicians) to win that you simply CAN'T STAND.
    (This is not meant to be a political post, but I will give you my example.)

    First, I'm no psychologist, but I don't think it's very healthy to "hate" too many teams or people. But we all do, to some extent! The less teams (or, I guess politicians, LOL) you hate, the better.

    For me, I'm lucky that there are only two things I truly despise: The University of Michigan sports (particularly football) and Hillary Clinton. (There are other teams I don't like, but I can still sleep well if they win championships. Luckily for me, I'm not a pro sports fan.

    For now, let's not get into why I disdain Michigan and Hillary, but let's discuss my "emotional hedge," for lack of a better term.

    For someone who has done it for a while now (mostly with Michigan), I find that the concept might not be worth it emotionally and financially anymore.

    First, Michigan: I only emotionally hedge (meaning bet ON Michigan) when either its basketball team or football team reaches the National Championship Game. This has only happened twice since I began gambling seriously. (Hoops vs. Louisville in 2013- I was at that game in Atlanta- and a few years ago vs. Villanova)
    It's not a great feeling. I lost money both times. But, in hindsight, would I have been happy if Michigan won and I made money? (The amount of $$ is not important here, and that's only for me to know. Just know, that it isn't life-changing.)

    Now, onto Hillary in 2016 (please note that this is NOT an endorsement for Donald Trump, just that I seriously dislike Hillary)
    I wanted Hillary to lose so badly (against anyone!)....so I bet BIG on Hillary to win.
    Some advice from me: if you are thinking of doing this emotional hedge: I, David, believe that it's not worth wagering big bucks on. Looking back, the person I wanted to lose DID LOSE, but I was more disappointed that I lost a lot of money. I couldn't "enjoy" her loss. The financial loss hurt for a couple months. That's way too long for me.

    I did NOT bet on the 2020 election, because I don't hate Biden. (Not saying I like him, either...LOL)

    Back to Michigan, Big Ten titles mean absolutely NOTHING to me. Neither do final four appearances nor beating Ohio State in football. For me, it's all about Michigan NOT winning a National Title in those two sports.

    (When Michigan "split" the title with Nebraska in '97 I was not truly into gambling yet)..so I really don't care about that. Their only hoops title came in '89 when I was still in high school and not gambling at all.

    Do any of you do something like this? If so, how do you feel with winning the bet? How do you feel with losing the bet?
    Like I said, It's such a roller coaster for me. I would not advise it but can't fault anyone for doing it. After all, I did, and I might again in a few weeks.

    My two gambling buddies who I introduced this to? One just started. He hates Alabama football and bet ON THEM in the SEC championship game because of this on the moneyline vs. Georgia. (That was my advice to him)
    He has since taken the "YES" on "Alabama to win the National Championship to ease his pain if Bama indeed wins. Nothing financially life-altering.
    The other friend, ironically, is a huge Michigan fan, particularly football. LOL. He LOATHES Ohio State. So, for the last few years he has bet ON Ohio State when its football team reaches the playoffs, to ease his pain of potentially watching the Buckeyes celebrate.

    As I said, for me it's just the FINAL game, the Championship game. Of course, it helps when the team you hate is an underdog on the moneyline.

    Am I "emotionally hedging" on Michigan vs. Georgia in the semifinals? No, I do not plan to. BTW, I'm going to that game, ordered tickets in the summer, I'm pumped. Go 'Dawgs
    However, if Cincy upsets Bama in the first semifinal of the day, then I will consider taking Michigan on the moneyline vs UGA, because I think UM would beat Cincy in the championship game.

    To make a lengthy post lengthier, let's look at the REVERSE of this. I would imagine this is more common: Do you bet AGAINST your FAVORITE team in a huge game?

    I am lucky (I guess?) that I have only one team that I TRULY care about: my alma mater Indiana University men's basketball team. (Yes, believe me, I know they haven't been truly relevant since jean shorts were popular...and that pains me greatly...LOL)

    There has only been ONE time (since I took up gambling) that I bet AGAINST the Hoosiers. And (unfortunately?) I won the bet. (Against Maryland in the NCAA Title Game in '02) I took Maryland on a pretty steep moneyline. (Not life-changing) I was bummed I "won" my bet.
    It's like a tug-of-war...part of you wants the money, the other part wants the "desired result." (at least for me) Moreso the "desired result."

    In summary, I guess FOR ME, it's not really worth it. At least I think it's not. I think I'm finding it better to just "let the chips fall as they may" (Is that the expression? LOL)

    Would like to read other's thoughts on the subject.

    -David
  • Bostongambler
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    #2
    I read War & Peace in quicker time.


    Good luck going forward False Hope.
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    • gauchojake
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      #3
      Welcome to the party pal
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      • daneblazer
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        #4
        4 score and 7 years ago
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        • daneblazer
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          #5
          Sports is a roller coaster ride. There’s no reasonable amount of money I can bet against my teams that would make me feel better about them losing a big game. I use to emotional hedge. It doesn’t work
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          • d2bets
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            #6
            Sounds like a great strategy if you care more about emotions than money.

            Leave the emotions to your girlfriend/wife.

            Bet numbers, not teams. Don't care about emotions. It's -EV.

            The books want you to be emotional. You need to be unemotional.
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            • trobin31
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 01-09-14
              • 9853

              #7
              Just pick your least favorite mascot and bet with the team...this makes the most sense....or you can back up far enough the team names are blurry, then as you walk closer the first team you see is who you bet against....this could also work
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              • False Start
                SBR High Roller
                • 12-08-21
                • 238

                #8
                It's a balance between emotions and money. I agree. The money is more important, as I've learned from this strategy.
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                • Bostongambler
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                  #9
                  You haven’t learned much.
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                  • jjgold
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                    #10
                    Good luck this kid a mess
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                    • False Start
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 12-08-21
                      • 238

                      #11
                      It's not a handicapping thing. I'm not emotional at all about that. That's all about numbers for me.
                      It's only these types of "emotions" which come along once every decade or so.
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                      • False Start
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 12-08-21
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                        #12
                        So nobody has ever bet ON the team you hate when they are in the finals? Or AGAINST your favorite team when they are in the finals?
                        Okay...then I must have invented something new. LOL
                        Good. Don't do it. It's not healthy.
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                        • trobin31
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                          #13
                          FS, you have totally invented fading yourself...I can’t imagine anyone has ever tried this
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                          • gauchojake
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                            #14
                            I usually listen to the pregame chatter and bet against the team that the hosts are jizzing in their pants over.
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                            • Eddy Munny
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                              • 08-13-13
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                              #15
                              Is this guy submitting new legislation to Congress or something?

                              I skimmed it and I'm confident it could've been summed up in a few sentences, not like it's a sophisticated concept.

                              "I don't like this team team/person so I bet them, that way I'm either happy when they lose or I'm happy to get paid if they win."
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                              • gauchojake
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                                #16
                                Give us a fukkin winner pal
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                                • False Start
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                                  • 12-08-21
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                                  #17
                                  Maybe I didn't make my point clear. I apologize.
                                  This has nothing to do with handicapping any particular game or games. I am talking about whether or not to PLAY ON the team you hate in a once in a decade spot where a win would give them the championship. Would the winning bet make you feel MUCH better about the team you hate winning the title? It sounds like people don't do this. Only me? Which is fine. I was just curious if anybody does this. Like I said, I told this to two friends, and they love it. I'm not sure if I love it or hate it. LOL. Like I said, you are wrestling with you own emotions.
                                  Nothing to do with capping or anything like that.
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                                  • Bostongambler
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by False Start
                                    Maybe I didn't make my point clear. I apologize.
                                    This has nothing to do with handicapping any particular game or games. I am talking about whether or not to PLAY ON the team you hate in a once in a decade spot where a win would give them the championship. Would the winning bet make you feel MUCH better about the team you hate winning the title? It sounds like people don't do this. Only me? Which is fine. I was just curious if anybody does this. Like I said, I told this to two friends, and they love it. I'm not sure if I love it or hate it. LOL. Like I said, you are wrestling with you own emotions.
                                    Nothing to do with capping or anything like that.

                                    False Hope, go to a movie , read a book by the fireplace, drink some Brandy or do anything, but for Gods sake do it on a train headed to the Swiss Alps.
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                                    • False Start
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 12-08-21
                                      • 238

                                      #19
                                      Some people are still not getting it, so I will make it easier and more specific. This one has nothing to do with sports.

                                      Hypothetical presidential election, 2024:

                                      Trump vs. Biden (this is just an EXAMPLE)
                                      Let's say it's a pick'em....doesn't matter the odds in this example.

                                      Will any of you who HATE Trump bet ON TRUMP, just in case he wins, so you can at least make some money from to offset the agony you'll if he wins?

                                      Other foot.
                                      Let's say you LOVE Trump (and hate Biden)...will you put money on Biden to win the election to offset any pain if Trump loses?

                                      Forget the capping/odds for a minute.

                                      Yes or no?
                                      It's not that complicated. Very surprised nobody understands the question.
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                                      • False Start
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                                        • 12-08-21
                                        • 238

                                        #20
                                        Okay,,,nobody gets it.
                                        No problem.
                                        I guess I don't know the crowd in here. It's certainly not a MENSA meeting. LOL
                                        No big deal.
                                        Good luck with your bets tonight.
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                                        • BeatTheJerk
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by gauchojake
                                          Welcome to the party pal
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                                          • reallyhardtowin
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                                            • 02-10-20
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                                            #22
                                            Yes. I have done this for years and I call it the same thing. I typically bet against my team on big games. If we win I am happy. If we lose the game I win some $. I bet on teams I can not stand.
                                            Took Braves in World Series this year.
                                            This is a small part of my bets but it works for me.
                                            Most of my bets are not the emotional hedge.
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                                            • False Start
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                                              • 12-08-21
                                              • 238

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by reallyhardtowin
                                              Yes. I have done this for years and I call it the same thing. I typically bet against my team on big games. If we win I am happy. If we lose the game I win some $. I bet on teams I can not stand.
                                              Took Braves in World Series this year.

                                              YES! You understand! Somebody understands! Thank you for understanding and your response.
                                              Very surprised nobody else does this or even understands the question. LOL. They think I'm talking about "picking winners."
                                              This is a small part of my bets but it works for me.
                                              Most of my bets are not the emotional hedge.
                                              YES! You understand! Somebody understands! Thank you for understanding and your response.
                                              Very surprised nobody else does this or even understands the question. LOL. They think I'm talking about "picking winners."
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                                              • dustyy
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                                                • 12-08-17
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by False Start
                                                Some people are still not getting it, so I will make it easier and more specific. This one has nothing to do with sports.

                                                Hypothetical presidential election, 2024:

                                                Trump vs. Biden (this is just an EXAMPLE)
                                                Let's say it's a pick'em....doesn't matter the odds in this example.

                                                Will any of you who HATE Trump bet ON TRUMP, just in case he wins, so you can at least make some money from to offset the agony you'll if he wins?

                                                Other foot.
                                                Let's say you LOVE Trump (and hate Biden)...will you put money on Biden to win the election to offset any pain if Trump loses?

                                                Forget the capping/odds for a minute.

                                                Yes or no?
                                                It's not that complicated. Very surprised nobody understands the question.
                                                I get it, I've done it several times, most recently in the ALCS this year. Only do it for Boston teams, especially Bosox and Pats and when it comes down to elimination games. The way I look at it, I will be happy either way but happier if I lose the bet.
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                                                • vitterd
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by False Start
                                                  YES! You understand! Somebody understands! Thank you for understanding and your response.
                                                  Very surprised nobody else does this or even understands the question. LOL. They think I'm talking about "picking winners."
                                                  For me, I will be against my teams (sixers and Phillies) in regular season games but I won’t in the playoffs. Even if I have a good feel they will lose. I will just watch and root
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                                                  • False Start
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                                                    • 12-08-21
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by dustyy
                                                    I get it, I've done it several times, most recently in the ALCS this year. Only do it for Boston teams, especially Bosox and Pats and when it comes down to elimination games. The way I look at it, I will be happy either way but happier if I lose the bet.
                                                    YES! You get it, too!
                                                    I was just starting to think that most guys on here are not capable of writing more than one sentence and just hurl insults (That still may be the case, LOL)

                                                    Thanks for the response!
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                                                    • False Start
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                                                      • 12-08-21
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by vitterd
                                                      For me, I will be against my teams (sixers and Phillies) in regular season games but I won’t in the playoffs. Even if I have a good feel they will lose. I will just watch and root
                                                      Thank you for the response. I want to add that although I don't agree with your politics, I often learn a lot from your gambling posts. I can tell you are a good handicapper. Cheers!
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                                                      • Eddy Munny
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                                                        • 08-13-13
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                                                        #28
                                                        Is this guy still chirping?

                                                        What does he want, The Nobel Peace Prize?

                                                        I'm pretty sure this elementary idea has entered the mind of every capper at some point, we just don't write tomes about it like it's going to be studied by handicapping scholars a hundred years from now.

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                                                        • WireWire
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                                                          • 02-02-21
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                                                          #29
                                                          I made it almost halfway, lol. What I took away from that first half is that your bookie LOVES you.
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                                                          • trobin31
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Eddy Munny
                                                            Is this guy still chirping?

                                                            What does he want, The Nobel Peace Prize?

                                                            I'm pretty sure this elementary idea has entered the mind of every capper at some point, we just don't write tomes about it like it's going to be studied by handicapping scholars a hundred years from now.

                                                            edward, you should apologize, you will feel better
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                                                            • Eddy Munny
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by trobin31
                                                              edward, you should apologize, you will feel better
                                                              I think he should apologize to the forum, and to his keyboard for all the undue mileage.
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                                                              • thomorino
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by False Start
                                                                Hi everyone. I've only been here for about a week, so forgive me if this has been discussed before.

                                                                About nine or 10 years ago, I started doing what I termed an "emotional hedge" when it came to gambling. (I doubt I invented the term- heck I KNOW I did not invent the strategy)

                                                                I have only two serious gambling buddies, and they had never heard of this idea, and now they love it.
                                                                I want to hear how many of you do this, too.

                                                                Basically, you bet ON teams (or politicians) to win that you simply CAN'T STAND.
                                                                (This is not meant to be a political post, but I will give you my example.)

                                                                First, I'm no psychologist, but I don't think it's very healthy to "hate" too many teams or people. But we all do, to some extent! The less teams (or, I guess politicians, LOL) you hate, the better.

                                                                For me, I'm lucky that there are only two things I truly despise: The University of Michigan sports (particularly football) and Hillary Clinton. (There are other teams I don't like, but I can still sleep well if they win championships. Luckily for me, I'm not a pro sports fan.

                                                                For now, let's not get into why I disdain Michigan and Hillary, but let's discuss my "emotional hedge," for lack of a better term.

                                                                For someone who has done it for a while now (mostly with Michigan), I find that the concept might not be worth it emotionally and financially anymore.

                                                                First, Michigan: I only emotionally hedge (meaning bet ON Michigan) when either its basketball team or football team reaches the National Championship Game. This has only happened twice since I began gambling seriously. (Hoops vs. Louisville in 2013- I was at that game in Atlanta- and a few years ago vs. Villanova)
                                                                It's not a great feeling. I lost money both times. But, in hindsight, would I have been happy if Michigan won and I made money? (The amount of $$ is not important here, and that's only for me to know. Just know, that it isn't life-changing.)

                                                                Now, onto Hillary in 2016 (please note that this is NOT an endorsement for Donald Trump, just that I seriously dislike Hillary)
                                                                I wanted Hillary to lose so badly (against anyone!)....so I bet BIG on Hillary to win.
                                                                Some advice from me: if you are thinking of doing this emotional hedge: I, David, believe that it's not worth wagering big bucks on. Looking back, the person I wanted to lose DID LOSE, but I was more disappointed that I lost a lot of money. I couldn't "enjoy" her loss. The financial loss hurt for a couple months. That's way too long for me.

                                                                I did NOT bet on the 2020 election, because I don't hate Biden. (Not saying I like him, either...LOL)

                                                                Back to Michigan, Big Ten titles mean absolutely NOTHING to me. Neither do final four appearances nor beating Ohio State in football. For me, it's all about Michigan NOT winning a National Title in those two sports.

                                                                (When Michigan "split" the title with Nebraska in '97 I was not truly into gambling yet)..so I really don't care about that. Their only hoops title came in '89 when I was still in high school and not gambling at all.

                                                                Do any of you do something like this? If so, how do you feel with winning the bet? How do you feel with losing the bet?
                                                                Like I said, It's such a roller coaster for me. I would not advise it but can't fault anyone for doing it. After all, I did, and I might again in a few weeks.

                                                                My two gambling buddies who I introduced this to? One just started. He hates Alabama football and bet ON THEM in the SEC championship game because of this on the moneyline vs. Georgia. (That was my advice to him)
                                                                He has since taken the "YES" on "Alabama to win the National Championship to ease his pain if Bama indeed wins. Nothing financially life-altering.
                                                                The other friend, ironically, is a huge Michigan fan, particularly football. LOL. He LOATHES Ohio State. So, for the last few years he has bet ON Ohio State when its football team reaches the playoffs, to ease his pain of potentially watching the Buckeyes celebrate.

                                                                As I said, for me it's just the FINAL game, the Championship game. Of course, it helps when the team you hate is an underdog on the moneyline.

                                                                Am I "emotionally hedging" on Michigan vs. Georgia in the semifinals? No, I do not plan to. BTW, I'm going to that game, ordered tickets in the summer, I'm pumped. Go 'Dawgs
                                                                However, if Cincy upsets Bama in the first semifinal of the day, then I will consider taking Michigan on the moneyline vs UGA, because I think UM would beat Cincy in the championship game.

                                                                To make a lengthy post lengthier, let's look at the REVERSE of this. I would imagine this is more common: Do you bet AGAINST your FAVORITE team in a huge game?

                                                                I am lucky (I guess?) that I have only one team that I TRULY care about: my alma mater Indiana University men's basketball team. (Yes, believe me, I know they haven't been truly relevant since jean shorts were popular...and that pains me greatly...LOL)

                                                                There has only been ONE time (since I took up gambling) that I bet AGAINST the Hoosiers. And (unfortunately?) I won the bet. (Against Maryland in the NCAA Title Game in '02) I took Maryland on a pretty steep moneyline. (Not life-changing) I was bummed I "won" my bet.
                                                                It's like a tug-of-war...part of you wants the money, the other part wants the "desired result." (at least for me) Moreso the "desired result."

                                                                In summary, I guess FOR ME, it's not really worth it. At least I think it's not. I think I'm finding it better to just "let the chips fall as they may" (Is that the expression? LOL)

                                                                Would like to read other's thoughts on the subject.

                                                                -David
                                                                You typed 5 pages to explain a concept that is very simple.
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                                                                • BiTeMe UsAdOj
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                                                                  • 08-18-11
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Eddy... you and I learned the Jedi trick of Remote-Viewing Capping years ago from some ephemeral SBR poster, then expanded it to Remote Emotional Hedging due to our work with Yoda (er, ok... it was Brock Landers, but, he's pretty much short, dumpy & fugly so he always reminded me of Yoda). Point is, we can't expect the newbie SBR'er to be as advanced, so, I'm choosing to give him a pass for this gambling 102 concept.

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                                                                  • Eddy Munny
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                                                                    • 08-13-13
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    No passes here... I run a tight ship.

                                                                    I've already started a petition to have the OP banned for his crimes against the forum, and your signature was the first one forged.
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                                                                    • stevenash
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                                                                      • 01-17-11
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      I'm confused.
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