Is Carmelo Anthony a Hall of Famer?

[Chi_archie]

I say no because it should be not just about stats but winning and he doesn't win enough in the post season.


https://medium.com/@rpsalao/player-spotlight-the-disappointing-career-of-carmelo-anthony-9fa6db692f8a

To see just how poorly Carmelo Anthony has performed in the playoffs, I did a deep-dive* to see how all the other dominant scorers throughout NBA history have done during the postseason. Melo’s best skill has always been his ability to put points on the board as he ranks an impressive 20th on the all-time scoring list.

In order to provide a proper comparison, I went on Basketball Reference and charted the playoff wins and losses of the top 30 NBA scorers of all-time, from Kareem to Allen Iverson, to see just how much success they had throughout their own careers.

On average, the players on the list played in143 playoff gamesthroughout their NBA careers and had a 55% win rate.Carmelo Anthony has appeared in half as many playoff games at just 72 total and has a terrible 33% win rate, losing two games for every three that he plays.

To see where Melo’s 33% win rate ranks, let’s run down some of the list. At the top are Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who both won66% of their playoff games. That’s probably why they both have six rings apiece.


Patrick Ewing and Reggie Miller were around the middle of the pack, winning around 52% of their playoff games, alternating deep postseason runs, with some early outs.


Near the bottom of the list were George Gervin and Dominique Wilkins at 28th and 29th, winning just around 40% of their playoff games.

Carmelo Anthony’s 33% win rate is an absolute outlier. No other top scorer in the history of the league has even come close to being as bad as Melo in terms of converting playoff wins.


Players on the list also averaged 17 playoff series victories throughout their career, at a win rate of almost 60%. Carmelo Anthony has won a grand total of 3 playoff series at a 21% win rate.


Only two other players on the list were close to being as awful at winning a series as Melo — once again George Gervin and Dominique Wilkins.

way to use critical thinking, concrete facts, and comparative stats

[bigtymer56]

[jtoler]

No NBA titles but an NCAA one, and Olympic gold or two, World Cup GOLD etc

that too, sometimes we forget that its the basketball hall of fame not just nba accomplishments

[JIBBBY]

He's black he'll get in. If Mello was white not a chance.

[Chi_archie]

yeah Imagine if his name was Paul Westphal, Jack Sikma, Bobby Jones, Vlade Divac, or Steve Nash

[Hman]

yeah Imagine if his name was Paul Westphal, Jack Sikma, Bobby Jones, Vlade Divac, or Steve Nash

None of those should be in either

Maybe just maybe Nash

[TheMoneyShot]

Archie with a great opening post. It's too tough to call in my book.

[19th Hole]

Not in my book. Squandered precious opportunies.

~~~
Of course he will get in .

Watched the Blazers/Nuggets game last night and Carmelo looked good coming off of the bench
popping in 24 points.

But his historical bad decisions leave a bitter taste in one's mouth
and he can only be viewed with distain.

[Chi_archie]

None of those should be in either

Maybe just maybe Nash

exactly and they are all in the past 2-3 years

the NBA hall of fame is certainly not displaying any reverse racism in regards to good but not great white dudes in recent history.

I'm not sure why someone would play a race card in this discussion

[Hman]

exactly and they are all in the past 2-3 years

the NBA hall of fame is certainly not displaying any reverse racism in regards to good but not great white dudes in recent history.

I'm not sure why someone would play a race card in this discussion

Only players who should make it are THE greatest

Tier 1 guys

Superstars

Franchise players

Not every star

Big difference between a star & superstar

Guys like Wilt, Bird, MJ, Lebron, Shaq, and, well, you get the picture

Not even guys like Isaiah Thomas, or Clyde Drexler, Chris Paul, for example again, should get in.

Names like that don't fit the tier 1 group as the examples given

It's really simple: only the elite period

This is how it should be in all sports' Hall Of Fame

[JIBBBY]

Melo was almost cut from the league a few years ago if I remember correctly because he sucked. Teams got rid of him because he was a defensive liability and a ball hog.

It's a nice story with his comeback but now he's just bouncing around from team to team. IDK about Mello making the Hall of Fame? I'm leaning no even with his offensive skills and numbers put up during his prime.

[bigtymer56]

Only players who should make it are THE greatest

Tier 1 guys

Superstars

Franchise players

Not every star

Big difference between a star & superstar

Guys like Wilt, Bird, MJ, Lebron, Shaq, and, well, you get the picture

Not even guys like Isaiah Thomas, or Clyde Drexler, Chris Paul, for example again, should get in.

Names like that don't fit the tier 1 group as the examples given

It's really simple: only the elite period

This is how it should be in all sports' Hall Of Fame

Isiah Thomas? When I think of superstars from the 80's, he's definitely on that list.

[bigtymer56]

Melo was almost cut from the league a few years ago if I remember correctly because he sucked. Teams got rid of him because he was a defensive liability and a ball hog.

It's a nice story with his comeback but now he's just bouncing around from team to team. IDK about Mello making the Hall of Fame? I'm leaning no even with his offensive skills and numbers put up during his prime.

Wasn't because he sucked. It was because he still thought he was still a star. They humbled him.

[bigtymer56]

Like guys in here say, they let too many people in. If guys who like Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter are Hall of Famers, Melo definitely is too.

[Hman]

Isiah Thomas? When I think of superstars from the 80's, he's definitely on that list.

I see your point but it's easy.

Is he on the same level as Lebron, MJ, Kobe, and some others?

He's just outside of that group/tier right?

[Chi_archie]

I'm still absolutely floored that Jack Sikma was recently inducted

I mean what in the actual puck??

he was a solid piece... but never even a star

[bigtymer56]

I see your point but it's easy.

Is he on the same level as Lebron, MJ, Kobe, and some others?

He's just outside of that group/tier right?

Yea, he's not in the GOAT convo. In the next tier. Would still consider him a superstar though. Won 2 titles in what alot of fans consider the greatest era of the NBA. Won against all the elite players in his era. He's got to be in.

Where do you draw the cut off for Hall of Fame? Top 25 player all time? Top 50?

[thezbar]

Yes because of his international history. IN.

[carolinakid]

if you take his body of work in the nba from day 1 til today, he does not belong in the hall of fame period........if he was a white guy, we would not be having this thread today as his name would not be mention for the hall of fame

[Chi_archie]

[jtoler]

Like guys in here say, they let too many people in. If guys who like Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter are Hall of Famers, Melo definitely is too.

agreed thats why Id say melo's in kinda easily because theyve already screwed it up by letting other guys in lol. my hall wouldnt have mcgrady, carter, nor hill in, cant believe they havent let webber in already.

[carolinakid]

if they let all most everyone in, the name of hall the fame does not mean that much

[JIBBBY]

agreed thats why Id say melo's in kinda easily because theyve already screwed it up by letting other guys in lol. my hall wouldnt have mcgrady, carter, nor hill in, cant believe they havent let webber in already.

The Hall of Fame bar is slowly being lowered year after year. Agreed.

[Chi_archie]

Hall of guys of names we know and had some sports center highlights

[PlayzDont]

I think Melo deserves a consideration

[Goat Milk]

Ridiculous thread.

Carmelo is the best olympics player of all time. All nba many times. All star numerous years. Scoring titles. College championship at 19 years old. Hall of fame isn't only about nba career btw. It's your basketball career.

[Goat Milk]

I think Melo deserves a consideration

Consideration? He's a 100% lock to get in.... Bro, grant hill made the hall of fame. What Melo did in his career far surpasses that. He has like 3 or 4 gold medals...

[pilebuck13]

Ridiculous thread.

Carmelo is the best olympics player of all time. All nba many times. All star numerous years. Scoring titles. College championship at 19 years old. Hall of fame isn't only about nba career btw. It's your basketball career.

I knew you’d come

[Chi_archie]

[JIBBBY]

Melo needs another tat to make the HOF.. .

[pilebuck13]

Goat you have been riding Melos nuts forever

[wikkidinsane]

you dont know ball if you dont think he is a HOFer

[TheMoneyShot]

Ridiculous thread.

Carmelo is the best olympics player of all time. All nba many times. All star numerous years. Scoring titles. College championship at 19 years old. Hall of fame isn't only about nba career btw. It's your basketball career.

What Hall of Fame are we talking here???

Basketball Hall Of Fame???

Or

NBA Hall Of Fame???


How many damn halls do we have??

[Chi_archie]

What Hall of Fame are we talking here???

Basketball Hall Of Fame???

Or

NBA Hall Of Fame???


How many damn halls do we have??

there is no NBA hall of fame, I pointed this out in the first post and others have added the reminder as the thread went on.

it's just the basketball hall of fame

so you'll find college coaches, Women, Harlem Globetrotters, and international stars in there

[Goat Milk]

Goat you have been riding Melos nuts forever

I mean, I remember starting a thread or commentating in like 2019ish, "why isn't any team signing Carmelo Anthony?" and there was a huge debate on this forum if Melo was better than several bench players in the league. Guys on this site were telling me that playing like Anthony Tolliver were better players than Carmelo because they knew how to "stretch the floor." I can't believe ppl actually believed that a 8 or 9 or 12th man off the bench of shitty teams who average 1.8 ppg were better than Carmelo Anthony. And guys on this site actually believed that in their hearts. Fools.

The moment Melo starts averaging 7 or 8 ppg he will retire. He's one of the best scorers in the history of the league. Kobe knocked him out of the playoffs like 3 times. Otherwise Denver would surely have a ring.

So is Carmelo a hall of famer? Of course, he's one of the best scorers in the history of the league. He brought home like 3 or 4 gold medals to the USA. He won a college championship when he was 19 years old and was the best player on the court by far in every game. There's nothing Melo hasn't accomplished besides an NBA championship. He's done everything.

I just call it how it is. Ppl like to shit on the guy, but he had an excellent career. The second half of his career, he never got to play with any great players. Stoudemire was good for 1 year then got injured. Then they tried to turn him into a spot in the corner player in Houston and OKC and that was a disaster.

It's a shame he had to battle against Kobe cause the guy would have had more success if not.