Funding idea -- you guys are going the wrong way!

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  • Korchnoi
    SBR Sharp
    • 10-20-06
    • 406

    #1
    Funding idea -- you guys are going the wrong way!
    There is unquestionably a mass exodus of funds from online gaming sites and neteller. The purpose of the legislation is not to prevent US citizens from getting their money back, it's to prevent US citizens from giving their money to gaming sites. People are wining about how hard it will be to get their money into sites, yet they're taking their money out. In some cases, paying a premium to do so quickly.

    Say I have 4K at WSEX and you have an account but no money. You want $500 into your WSEX acct, I want cash. Why not send me a check and I transfer $500 into your WSEX acct? Alternatively, you can paypal me money and I'll transfer funds from my acct to yours. I propose setting up a person-to-person exchange site modeled after Ebay. People can auction off their online gambling funds (receive a check, person-to-person neteller transfer, paypal transfer, etc.) in exchange for a sportsbook transfer. Of course there's risk of default, this is why this would have to start off small and each player would get feedback ratings. Obviously 1 default and a guy is out.

    The government can't/wont stop private citizen A from transacting with private citizen B. The government can't really prevent an offshore book from making an internal funds transfer either. This model bypasses the banking system and also, since it's person-to-person without a big financial intermediary (clearing house) there's no big company to go after. The site can make revenue from advertisements, etc. Hell, even SBR could try this.

    This would provide some decent liquidity for big players and relationships could form such that players would be able to get their sites to and from sportsbooks relatively quickly and easily.

    Imagine being a big player with 100K spread out across 4 top books. People could pay him a premium (say 2%) to send him a check (or neteller/paypal transfer). This player will make 2% for his trouble, that's a lot of edge. When the player wants to cash out, perhaps he can pay a premium to be sent a check by either this big player or another sportsbook customer.

    Thoughts?
  • Carlos019
    SBR High Roller
    • 01-02-07
    • 178

    #2
    I Like your idea
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    • EaglesPhan36
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 12-06-06
      • 71662

      #3
      I had actually been thinking along these lines if you have people you trust who can deposit funds, there are alot of possibilities still. The key is trust.
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      • BuddyBear
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 08-10-05
        • 7233

        #4
        It's strictly A books from here on out....
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        • Ganchrow
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 08-28-05
          • 5011

          #5
          Definitely a clever idea, Korchnoi but what concerns me is that those "selling" sportsbook funds would find themselves open to prosecution under the UIGEA. On whether or not this would ever occur in practice I won't speculate, but the very fact that market participants could potentially face jail time would at least be a disincentive to using this service.

          Another concern is that the operator of this network would also have legal culpability and as such would be in the same situation as the operators of all the e-wallets that are currently closing their doors to the US market. Nevertheless, it is conceivable that someone might design a peer to peer system to decentralize the process (think Kazaa or Bit Torrent).

          Anyway, while I do think that this represents a very interesting idea, I don't see it as an end-run around the provisions of the UIGEA.
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          • rolemand
            SBR MVP
            • 03-24-06
            • 1033

            #6
            Why couldn't these transfers be considered loans?
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            • Korchnoi
              SBR Sharp
              • 10-20-06
              • 406

              #7
              Originally posted by rolemand
              Why couldn't these transfers be considered loans?
              I like it. There's a platform where people can loan money to eachother; it's called prosper.com
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              • trustbutverify
                SBR High Roller
                • 01-12-07
                • 221

                #8
                Good idea. Illustrates the point that funding and withdrawing will not be a real problem if a little effort , logic and cooperation are used. The threat is from DOJ pressure- by whatever means- on quality outs. As the options thin out clients will accumulate at the best service. That operations profile will then shoot up- making it a prime target. Some posters have commented that if a book is located and set up defensively- DOJ can't push them out. I really hope thats true. Is it?
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                • rolemand
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-24-06
                  • 1033

                  #9
                  How many / which sportsbooks will do account to account transfers?
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                  • ourbet
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 12-23-05
                    • 464

                    #10
                    Good question rolemand. The only one I've ever used before was Caribsports (SBR B). Can anybody provide a definitive list please?
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                    • Korchnoi
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 10-20-06
                      • 406

                      #11
                      I know BetCris, WSEX, and SkyBook for sure.

                      Edit: And TS.
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                      • ourbet
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 12-23-05
                        • 464

                        #12
                        FWIW it looks as though WSEX (SBR A+) no longer permits inter-account money transfers.
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                        • pags11
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 08-18-05
                          • 12264

                          #13
                          good idea...tough to execute...
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                          • rolemand
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-24-06
                            • 1033

                            #14
                            I have 10,000 shares of stock w/ a ticker symbol WSEX I'd consider selling.
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