How high do you rank him all time? It's pretty clear this guy won't stop until he has Kareem's record.
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Well he might get on this yearComment -
He's the GOAT no matter what and it's not close.Comment -
again he will never be what MJ was to the nba off and on the court.. case close let him play until he 99 yrs old, he is what he is now. he does have his travel miles from team to team to buy rings i give him that.Comment -
James the GOAT?Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
He couldn't hold a candle to what Jordan accomplished.Comment -
James is a compiler.Originally posted by Goat Milk
17 years it took him to compile those points.
He never led the league in scoring.
You want to give him props for longevity and being a consistent scorer, I can't argue but he's a compiler in my eyes.
Just like Peter Rose in baseball, he was a compiler too.Comment -
While I agree nothing bron can really do to ever leap MJ, he pretty much cemented at 2 all time (which pretty damn good!). I don’t like the narrative he had to jump teams to win, fact of the matter is mj could stay with the bulls and win because bulls front office did a great job surrounding him with the right pieces. They gave bron nothing in Cleveland, those teams he took to the finals were god awful without him! The bulls still reached the conf finals when mj took his vacation to play baseball! The narrative Bron had to trophy hunt by leaving cavs is just wrong imo.Originally posted by carolinakidComment -
Disagree with that. Imo bron could have lead the league in scoring anytime he would have choose to do so. He just more a distributor by nature than mj or Kobe ever were. That why I don’t even like trying to compare bron with Jordan, their games just completely different.Originally posted by stevenashComment -
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Magic said three weeks ago he’s the greatest all around Player but not better than JordanComment -
Yeah different players. Kobe has more 50 point and 60 point games than James and Jordan combined.Originally posted by 2daBankCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
I would agree with that. Magic also said Kobe is the best player ever to wear a Laker uniform, long before he died. Which would put Kobe in the top 3.Originally posted by jjgoldCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
in jordan day, they played real basketball with defense, now it one and done street ball to put up pt and kept fans in the seats....Comment -
agreeOriginally posted by stevenash
nba has to manufacture James championships
jordans much more pureComment -
He's been a top 2/3 player in the NBA for almost his entire career. The only guy who was better than him post 2006 was Kobe and arguably D Wade for a few years.Originally posted by stevenash
To be the best player in the world at 35 years old is very hard to do. And he is certainly the best right now, even though KD Leonard and Giannis are not far behind.
Longevity and consistency count for something.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Lakers Celtics finals in 2010 was better than any finals Jordan played, I watched all of them. Spurs Heat in 2012 was also one of the best series' I've ever seen. Jordan had some cupcake finals games that were more about bricked shots than defense, even though the defense was incredible. Kobe Shaq imo played in the best era by far. Those WCF against the Spurs, Kings, Portland were out of this world entertaining. So much talent on the floor.Originally posted by carolinakidCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
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the game against utah when jordan was sick, just show what a great player he was case close.......Comment -
Jordan is the goat for sure
Then Kobe
Then Lebron
Kareem
Magic
That'd be my 5 personally
Also did anyone forget how Kobe beat the Suns team in the WCF who had Nash Amare Marion Jason Richardson Grant Hill Barbosa straight stacked form top to bottom, then went on to beat KG Pierce Allen and Rondo.
Kobe winning 2 rings w Pau is the most impressive feat imo in history. James had Wade and Bosh, then had a Love Irving combo.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Kobe averaged 34 7 and 8 against the Suns in 2010 WCFCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Man I totally disagree with that. I’ll always see Jordan as the goat but I just don’t understand why ppl feel the need to try and diminish bron to support mj? You can feel as if Jordan the greatest without trying to lower bron, they both are/were freaking great!! Believing one better can be done without knocking the other imo, unfortunately it never seems to go that way!Originally posted by johnnyvegas13Comment -
Kobe was fukkin amazing as well. For comparisons sake Kobe a much better comparison since his game was basically identical to Jordan’s while brons game way more similar to magic than either those 2.Originally posted by Goat MilkComment -
The game is obviously completely different. There plenty of guys in today’s game I think would have struggled in that era. Imo bron isn’t one of them tho, he a physical beast, I think he would have faired quite well in a more physical game had he grown up with the rules as such. His free throw shooting could have been a problem when facing a team like Detroit who would have made him go to charity stripe to get those points!Originally posted by carolinakid
The game may be different, some of us may have preferred the rough neck physicality of Jordan’s era, that said I don’t think there much argument there are more really good players than there were in the 90s. Largely thanks to Jordan’s bulls the game has grown so much globally we getting great players from places who barely knew what basketball was when Jordan played!!
Last thing. I don’t think some of you guys seem to realize just how awful some those cavs teams were that bron carried to the finals! Those teams couldn’t even sniff the playoffs in a weak East without bron! Yes he hurt himself a ton by collapsing in that heat/Dallas final which is the main reason I’ll never rank him ahead of mj, he is still great tho!Comment -
Lebron could reach 40,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, and 10,000 assists for his career. Pretty crazy. That would be #1 most points scored and #3 for most assists in a career.Comment -
banker I love JamesOriginally posted by 2daBank
and I’m holding laker futures if season resumesComment -
Marion long gone. Team was not stacked Nash was 36, they had 2 stars and a bunch of average at best players that Nash made look good.Originally posted by Goat MilkComment -
That finals heat lost to mavs where he disappeared pretty much sealed his fate of never passing Jordan imo.Originally posted by eidolonComment -
Originally posted by carolinakid
It's really this simple
Without exaggeration, Jordan would avg 45 per game today
That only 8-10 more points than some of his yearsComment -
it's just a longevity record.... worth noting but not a big deal when it comes to goat discussionsOriginally posted by Goat Milk
all i think about when i hear his name is flopping, crying, hiding in the 4th q vs Dallas as he prayed for Wade and Bosh to win him a ring... etc
calling himself the goat.. lolComment -
they only made it to the semifinals andOriginally posted by 2daBank
the next year when MJ returned they were only a couple games above 500. so they couldn't keep up what they did the year before without him when they were MOTIVATED by Jackson one of the best coaches ever to prove to the world that they were more than just Jordan
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heat spurs was 2013Originally posted by Goat Milk
lakers had a good fight to the finals in 00-02 but then they played different eastern teams who were making their one and only finals appearance who were all underdogs by a good margin
pacers - sixers - nets (although they did make it again to lose easily again to the spurs, further proving how bad the eastern foes were in the finals during the lakers 3 peat)Comment -
Everything that was said about LeBron early in his career was also said about Jordan (Bird and Magic have three titles, what's he won). The only difference between the two is LeBron had to find his good team, Jordan's good team came to him.Comment -
Nash averaged 16 and 11 that more, BETTER NUMBERS THAN HIS MVP SEASONOriginally posted by rm18
Amare was the best PF in basketball, 1st team All NBA
J Rich was a monster, Grant Hill was a defensive ACE
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No would could average 45 a game today, impossible. If Jordan averaged that he'd never win a ring. Kobe averaged 36 a game for a full season and almost beat the Suns in round 1, but was playing with straight BUMS.Originally posted by Hman
That season Kobe put up 81 in a game, 62 after 3 quarters, 50+ points in 4 consective games, list goes on. Kobe has scored more 50 and 60 point games than Jordan and Lebron COMBINED. Kobe was a more lethal scorer imo than Jordan. Jordan would be facing much stiffer competition at the guard position. Imagine, he'd have to be guarded by the likes of Kobe, D Wade, Grant Hill, Tony Allen, etc. I think Jordan on a championship team would average about 30, and on a team like Kobe's 06 Lakers around 34Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Can't believe they lost that finals. Lost my ass on that. I would have been a rich man. Had so many futures on Miami after they started the season like 9-8 and EVERYONE on this site called me out. Then they faced the 1 seed Bulls in the first round and lost the 1st game. Once again ppl called me out. Miami won 4 straight.Originally posted by ThaTopMoron
I never expected James to meltdown after what he did to Chicago in that series.
But that just showed Wade was a better player than James that year.
Still inexcuasable. 2 of the top 3 players in the world on 1 team and they lose to Dirk.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Kobe dominated every WCF and Shaq dominated the finals. The teams they played in the West were insane. That Kings team was one of the most stacked in history. Can't believe they never won a ship together.Originally posted by ThaTopMoron
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