The numbers are remarkable, and put to bed the idea that Covid-19 is akin to a bad fl

[blackbart]

NEW: a lot of data on reported Covid deaths is highly suspect, so we’ve been looking into excess mortality — how many more people than usual have been dying around the world in recent weeks? Story by me, @ChrisGiles_
& @valentinaromei
(free to read): https://ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

[RudyRuetigger]

you are using completely wrong stats

[blackbart]

The only unbiased comparison you can make between different countries is by looking at all cause mortality . . . There are so many questions about the rise we’ve seen in death that have not got Covid on the death certificate, yet you feel are inevitably linked in some way to this epidemic.” The extra deaths are most pronounced in urban areas with the worst virus outbreaks, and have completely overwhelmed reporting mechanisms in some. This is especially worrying for many emerging economies, where total excess mortality is orders of magnitude higher than official coronavirus fatalities. In Ecuador’s Guayas province, just 245 official Covid-related deaths were reported between March 1 and April 15, but data on total deaths show that about 10,200 more people died during this period than in a typical year — an increase of 350 per cent. A chart showing how deaths from all causes have more-than-doubled in many cities worldwide during Covid-19 outbreaks In the northern Italian region of Lombardy, the heart of Europe’s worst outbreak, there are more than 13,000 excess deaths in the official statistics for the nearly 1,700 municipalities for which data is available. This is an uptick of 155 per cent on the historical average and far higher than the 4,348 reported Covid deaths in the region. The region surrounding the Italian city of Bergamo registered the worst increase internationally with a 464 per cent rise in deaths above normal levels, followed by New York City with a 200 per cent increase, and Madrid, Spain, with a 161 per cent increase. In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, data on burials shows an increase of 1,400 relative to the historical average during the same period — 15 times the official figure of 90 Covid deaths for the same period. A funeral worker watches as the body of an unidentified person who died of unknown causes is placed into a niche at the Girona Cemetery, Spain © Felipe Dana/AP The challenge is not confined to the developing world. In England and Wales, the number of fatalities in the week ending April 10 was the highest this century. The figure was 76 per cent higher than the average for the same week in the past 5 years, and the number of excess deaths was 58 per cent higher than the total number of reported Covid-deaths for the same period. “If we want to . . . [understand] the ways different countries have responded to the surging pandemic and how [it] has affected the health of the population, the best way is to count excess deaths,” said David Leon, professor of epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. Father Bruno Lefèvre Pontalis walks behind pall bearers carrying a coffin past empty pews in the nave of Saint-François-Xavier church during the funeral service of a coronavirus victim during lockdown in Paris, France © Nathan Laine/Bloomberg Experts have warned of serious under-reporting of Covid-19 cases in residential facilities for the elderly, who are particularly vulnerable to the virus. “Very few countries appear to be testing people in care homes, staff and residents, systematically,” said Adelina Comas-Herrera, Research Fellow at the Care Policy and Evaluation Centre of the London School of Economics. Even the much higher numbers of deaths in the pandemic suggested by excess mortality statistics are likely to be conservative, as lockdowns mean that “mortality from numerous conditions such as traffic accidents and occupational injuries possibly went down,” said Markéta Pechholdová, assistant professor of demography at the University of Economics, Prague. Get alerts on Coronavirus when a new story is published Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2020. All rights reserved. Lates

[blackbart]

[blackbart]

you are using completely wrong stats

read, he tells how and where he gets the actual numbers, these are facts

[RudyRuetigger]

merge this thread to the fake news "math" thread

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3596243-corona-math.html

[blackbart]

Notes on methodology: • In each case we establish a historical baseline using deaths in the same country/city for the same weeks in 2015-2019 • Our excess deaths are the 2020 number minus that average

[Foxx]

It says mortality rates, yet it seems to being using number of deaths on the chart. You would think it would use deaths per 1,000,000 inhabitants given it is making an assertion about rates.

[lonegambler23]

cant wait for georgia to blow up and gonna be the worst state next to ny

[Auto Donk]

fuk off........ this shit is less than a bad flu, unless you're in nyc.........

https://www.facebook.com/sara.98222/videos/10105710349919968/

burn in hell, cuomo....

[jjgold]

It’s no joke

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

it's basically the flu but not as killer

[d2bets]

you are using completely wrong stats

[mezmurized2]

NEW: a lot of data on reported Covid deaths is highly suspect, so we’ve been looking into excess mortality — how many more people than usual have been dying around the world in recent weeks? Story by me, @ChrisGiles_
& @valentinaromei
(free to read): https://ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

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Good post. Solid info exposing the truth.

However, a key part absent from these stats (up to April 26)
is that even those death rate numbers for COVID-19
are actually suppressed due to tough mitigation measures in
most countries to contain the spread (and resulting deaths)
Therefore the numbers would be expected to be much higher
if allowed to spread like the seasonal influenza.

[hawkwind]

Yep a Bad Flu it is

[fried cheese]

i dont really understand what you are trying to show with these graphs. the death totals arent even higher than worldometers statistics for those countries combined. also, spain and italy are the only countries that even look significantly higher this year than the highest recent year.

[manny24]

some old people died a few months early

[blackbart]

i dont really understand what you are trying to show with these graphs. the death totals arent even higher than worldometers statistics for those countries combined. also, spain and italy are the only countries that even look significantly higher this year than the highest recent year.

49% higher, mortality rates are very consistent worldwide, a big increase would be 2%

[blackbart]

[QUOTE=SBR_Guest_Pro;29412161]it's basically the flu but not as killer[/QUOTE read, these numbers include the flu and show a 49% increase in the 14 countries reporting so far. note usa has not released numbers yet, but NYc shows a 299% increase

[blackbart]

i dont really understand what you are trying to show with these graphs. the death totals arent even higher than worldometers statistics for those countries combined. also, spain and italy are the only countries that even look significantly higher this year than the highest recent year.

you cant possibly read these numbers and graphs and come to this conclusion

[blackbart]

It says mortality rates, yet it seems to being using number of deaths on the chart. You would think it would use deaths per 1,000,000 inhabitants given it is making an assertion about rates.

he uses # of deaths/country which is mortality rate

[blackbart]

some old people died a few months early

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations [14 countries who have reported stats so far], considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

[blackbart]

Yep a Bad Flu it is

italy had 21500 more deaths than the same time period in the past and that includes the flu, a 90% increase

[blackbart]

some old people died a few months early

true, 12700 deaths per week in NYC more than normal, a 299% increase

[DwightShrute]

Here's what's really happening

The media is the virus.

[grease lightnin]

Here's what's really happening

The media is the virus.

I don’t have the time to watch this entire video right now but I get the gist of what he is saying. Millions of cases... small amount of death based on extrapolating the percentage of positive cases vs total number of tests out to the entire population.

Well... I don’t know if this theory works because most can’t get a test in the US unless they are really really sick.... this extrapolation would only work if they tested the entire population or at least a wide range of sick and not sick people, right???

[DwightShrute]

I don’t have the time to watch this entire video right now but I get the gist of what he is saying. Millions of cases... small amount of death based on extrapolating the percentage of positive cases vs total number of tests out to the entire population.

Well... I don’t know if this theory works because most can’t get a test in the US unless they are really really sick.... this extrapolation would only work if they tested the entire population or at least a wide range of sick and not sick people, right???

Its a report from a doctor who is in the hospital everyday who makes sense. Washing hands like a madman only makes it worse. Does going to Costco seem ok when your are touching all sorts of stuff others are touching but going to church isn't?

People aren't coming to the hospitals with other issues because they are afraid because of the media telling them to stay home because of covid.

They are pressured to add covid to the death results because they had it even though they died because of something else.

Its a good video. Knowledge is a good thing.

[jjgold]

good video Shute

Best I saw

[DwightShrute]

good video Shute

Best I saw

Ya, the doctors talk about science and make some powerful points. Hard to argue anything they say. They have closed 2 floors of the hospital. People that need to go to hospital aren't going because the fear of covid.

Our immune systems are being weakened from self isolation. Once we open things up, their will be a spike because of that.

[DwightShrute]

96% of those who get the Chinese virus, survive. Of this 4%

[unde0087]

Ya, only problem with these two doctors is they make too much sense for the simpletons and people who are scouring the internet for charts to justify them continuing the stupidity.

[DwightShrute]

96-97% of patients who get the Chinese virus completely recover. The 3-4% that die, 90% suffer from other comorbidities like heart failure , emphysema, Lupus, HIV etc

The data (now that we have some) shows that is fact, it is like the flu which kills tens of thousands each year in the US.

[raiders72001]

Not making any conclusions but here are the numbers I'm looking at:

55,415 total deaths in the US.
22,275 in NY
5,938 in NJ

[DwightShrute]

Ya, only problem with these two doctors is they make too much sense for the simpletons and people who are scouring the internet for charts to justify them continuing the stupidity.

two guys that are in the hospital everyday seeing first hand what is happening and have read tons of data about this virus that we are finally getting and who have decades of experience.

Simpletons: But Don Lemon said we should stay home. Morning Joe said that also.

[raiders72001]

Deaths per 1m

503 Spain
441 Italy
350 France
305 UK
167 USA