Best player of all time King James or The Black Mamba

[chico2663]

Oscar Robertson benefitted from being in the super stat inflated run and gun era

the year he averaged a triple double the league averaged 109 shots per game per team. last year it was 89 shots per game per team.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1798248-kareem-abdul-jabbar-oscar-robertson-better-than-michael-jordan-and-lebron-james

that's an almost 20% increase in shots meaning there will be availabilty for rebounds, points, assists for the players.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1798248-kareem-abdul-jabbar-oscar-robertson-better-than-michael-jordan-and-lebron-james

[chico2663]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Oscar Robertson Better Than Michael Jordan and LeBron James

also back then they could hand check.

[Goat Milk]

MJ the best
Kobe 2
Lebron 3

Lebron will rise to 2 if he gets 1-2 more rings.

[blankoblanco]

MJ the best
Kobe 2
Lebron 3

Lebron will rise to 2 if he gets 1-2 more rings.

I respect the hell out of Kobe but it's like, how analytically do you wanna break it down? Because if Lebron played 3 years with prime Shaq, he laughs his way to 3 rings, right? It's not even a question

The biggest thing going against Kobe's claim for top 5 all-time is that the only rings he won without Shaq were not super impressive at all. One was against the motherfking Magic (they made it there through Dwight + outside shooting and then proceeded to have a literally historically bad shooting performance in game 1 of Finals that had nothing to do with the defense), and the other was a series they won in spite of Kobe shooting like absolute trash in a game 7 vs the Celtics

[Goat Milk]

I respect the hell out of Kobe but it's like, how analytically do you wanna break it down? Because if Lebron played 3 years with prime Shaq, he laughs his way to 3 rings, right? It's not even a question

The biggest thing going against Kobe's claim for top 5 all-time is that the only rings he won without Shaq were not super impressive at all. One was against the motherfking Magic, and the other was a series they won in spite of him shooting like trash in a game 7 vs the Celtics

You know Kobe had 2 broken fingers in that series -- on his shooting hand -- and a dislocated shoulder? Lol. The way he played, considering his injuries, and the fact the celtics doubled him on every play, is truly a miracle.

He won 2 rings with Pau Gasol as his second best player bro. And he beat Boston, one of the greatest teams ever assembled...

Lebron lost to that same Boston team year after year. Him and Wade and Bosh almost lost to them too with them being down 3-2.

Lebron Wade and Bosh are much better than Kobe's later teams. Kyrie Lebron and Love the same. All those players were number 1 options, bonafide superstars.

The fact that the best player Kobe ever played with outside of Shaq was Pau Gasol during his 20 year career is straight up laughable. Gasol hadn't won a single playoff game before he joined the Lakers. Not 1. And it's not like he was a young buck like an Irving.

Wade was an MVP candidate for nearly a decade, and one of the top 3 shooting guards in NBA history.

So that's how I break it down.

Kobe had to simply do much more to win his 2 rings in his later years.

Don't forget the types of teams he went through in the West.

Brutal.

There's been a ton of statistics on this -- on the type of playoff schedule Kobe faced during his career compared to Lebron.

[deadphish]

you white guys want to give bird credit

he would be adam morrison in this day and age


different ball game


bird fought for his shots and refs liked celtics because him and mchale were white



they wouldnt even make a team today

good lord...this has to crack the top 7 most ignorant posts on SBR.
obviously you didnt follow the NBA in the 80s.
Bird is one of the most clutch players ever...absolute pure outside shot...brilliant b-ball IQ

[wikkidinsane]

1.Jordan
2.Lebron
3.Kobe
4

[deadphish]

Bird stealing Isiah's inbound and getting it to DJ with time expiring, when Detroit just got the ball with 5 seconds left and just had to inbound the rock that's it, to win a playoff game as an example. To not only not have given up on the game at that point (as many players cave down the stretch) as it was (virtually) over, and not only be clever enough to make the steal of the inbound by deaking like he was guarding another guy away from the inbound, but then also getting a perfect on the money pass to DJ in that split second, is what's special ... is what's BEST, right? If were talking about doing whatever it takes, and noboby did more than Bird/Magic, in helping teams win rings.

my fave NBA moment of all time. i remember watching it live & freaking out.
i think there is only 1 other moment that outshines it...care to guess?

[Goat Milk]

good lord...this has to crack the top 7 most ignorant posts on SBR.
obviously you didnt follow the NBA in the 80s.
Bird is one of the most clutch players ever...absolute pure outside shot...brilliant b-ball IQ

I had Bird as my 5th best player in history before Lebron started climbing ranks. Bird easily top 10 all time. Would dominate these schmuck SFs/PFs in today's league. Straight up would dominate.

Doncic is closest thing to thing I've seen to Bird since.

Very similar type of game, seems kind of eerie. Two very strong guys who can make any shot on the floor, great rebounders, tough in traffic, the efficiency, the moves in the post.

Bird would be competing for MVPs if he played today. You got guys like Kelly Oubre averaging 20 points a night.

Lmao.

Bird would make that kid his straight bitch.

[deadphish]

probably a better Bird highlight montage out there.
but who could watch this & honestly say, "he would be adam morrison in this day and age."
#6 should be #1 IMO

[deadphish]

i love how the Pistons were running up the floor & celebrating like it was over.

[deadphish]

Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger
he would be adam morrison in this day and age

you still holdin to that?

[4sees]

Bird said DJ was the greatest teammate he ever played with.
Now that’s a compliment!

Actually, unless I’m mistaken, he said he was the smartest.

[Big Bear]

nobody mentions Alonzo Morning?

[shadymcgrady]

1. Jordan




2. Who gives a sht
3. Doesn't matter
4.
....

[thetrinity]

Best comment here is Gary Payton has to be up there lol

Biggest argument against Kobe is 1 mvp, how can you be 2nd best with that on your resume

[thetrinity]

1. MJ
2. Lebron
3.
4. Magic
5. Bird
6.
7. Kobe

This looks pretty good to me so far

Kareem on there?

[pologq]

MJ
Lebron
Kobe
Bird
Magic
Kareem

also do not forget white mamba, Brian Scalabrine

[stevenash]

Actually, unless I’m mistaken, he said he was the smartest.

I think he mentioned three adjectives.
Best, smartest, and greatest.

[thedenthead]

Ok this game is fun.

I'll start with Bird being in one of those spots.

Every guess that's right you fill it in for us ok?

Wilt chamberlain 3?

[lakerboy]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Adam Morrison

[asiagambler]

I'm surprised no one ever mentions Olajuwon in these

[unde0087]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Adam Morrison

his porn stash might make top 10

[wikkidinsane]

You know Kobe had 2 broken fingers in that series -- on his shooting hand -- and a dislocated shoulder? Lol. The way he played, considering his injuries, and the fact the celtics doubled him on every play, is truly a miracle.

He won 2 rings with Pau Gasol as his second best player bro. And he beat Boston, one of the greatest teams ever assembled...

Lebron lost to that same Boston team year after year. Him and Wade and Bosh almost lost to them too with them being down 3-2.

Lebron Wade and Bosh are much better than Kobe's later teams. Kyrie Lebron and Love the same. All those players were number 1 options, bonafide superstars.

The fact that the best player Kobe ever played with outside of Shaq was Pau Gasol during his 20 year career is straight up laughable. Gasol hadn't won a single playoff game before he joined the Lakers. Not 1. And it's not like he was a young buck like an Irving.

Wade was an MVP candidate for nearly a decade, and one of the top 3 shooting guards in NBA history.

So that's how I break it down.

Kobe had to simply do much more to win his 2 rings in his later years.

Don't forget the types of teams he went through in the West.

Brutal.

There's been a ton of statistics on this -- on the type of playoff schedule Kobe faced during his career compared to Lebron.

He cried to get gasol and meta world peace . Gasol was at the top of his game then. Look at that supporting cast Odom derek fisher

[wikkidinsane]

Lebron ok m with prime shaq would have gotten. 5 easy. If he doesnt win with A.d. this year then you can say otherwise

[ThaTopMoron]

I'm surprised no one ever mentions Olajuwon in these

he got a couple thanks to MJ retiring lol

[Hman]

Wilt chamberlain 3?

Not sure he hasn't replied lol

[JIBBBY]

Kobe has more rings.. He's better then Lebron for now..

[deadphish]

You know Kobe had 2 broken fingers in that series -- on his shooting hand -- and a dislocated shoulder? Lol. The way he played, considering his injuries, and the fact the celtics doubled him on every play, is truly a miracle.

was that 2010?
Adam Morrison should have got the MVP in that series

[Chi_archie]

Kobe has more rings.. He's better then Lebron for now..

by that simplistic logic

Robery Horry is better than Michael Jordan

and

Kurt Rambis = Shaquille O'neal

[asiagambler]

Kobe has more rings.. He's better then Lebron for now..

LeBron has 3 Finals MVPs. Kobe only 2

[KVB]

by that simplistic logic

Robery Horry is better than Michael Jordan

and

Kurt Rambis = Shaquille O'neal

Check yourself Arch.

Robert Horry and Kurt Rambis two of the best to ever play.

When Robert Horry dies, it will probably impact the world more than the Pearl Harbor attacks of 1941.

When Rambis goes it will be louder than the shot heard around the world.

[DOM-Ganador]

If you take the greats from the bygone era (pre 1978) out of the equasion, my top 3 are embedded in granite.
1) MJ
2) Magic
3) Kareem

4 through 10....any of these guys have a legit argument:
Bird, Kobe, LeBron, Hakeem, Barkley, Doc, Shaq, Duncan...…

I am a Boston guy, been around for all these players. Obviously love Bird to death, but Magic was simply better.
Shaq only guy on the list to me who actually could have given MJ a battle at the top if he had more mental toughness and less shenanigans.

[JIBBBY]

All star appearances Kobe wins over Lebron..

Defensive player of the year awards also..

Kobe Bryant has made a total of 12 All-Defensive teams, more than any other guard. Ben Wallace, who has won four NBA Defensive Player of the Year Awards in five years, has been selected into the All-Defensive first team five times in six selections.

[Chi_archie]

If you take the greats from the bygone era (pre 1978) out of the equasion, my top 3 are embedded in granite.
1) MJ
2) Magic
3) Kareem

4 through 10....any of these guys have a legit argument:
Bird, Kobe, LeBron, Hakeem, Barkley, Doc, Shaq, Duncan...…

I am a Boston guy, been around for all these players. Obviously love Bird to death, but Magic was simply better.
Shaq only guy on the list to me who actually could have given MJ a battle at the top if he had more mental toughness and less shenanigans.

See another complete snub for Moses Malone and his 3 MVPs