Documentary about Professional Blackjack Players

[ronald]

Counting cards has been obsolete now for some 20 years at least. Deck penetration is the reason. They simply do not deal enough of the deck(s) to make card counting effective. Casino's could care less if you count cards. In fact, knock yourself out, you'll never win long term

If you're cutting 10's and aces, that doesn't work anymore either, they simply don't show the cut card anymore.

Bottom line is casino's are not ever going to give the player an edge. If a player finds one it will eventually be taken away.

False.

[RangeFinder]

False.

True

[JIBBBY]

Counting cards has been obsolete now for some 20 years at least. Deck penetration is the reason. They simply do not deal enough of the deck(s) to make card counting effective. Casino's could care less if you count cards. In fact, knock yourself out, you'll never win long term

If you're cutting 10's and aces, that doesn't work anymore either, they simply don't show the cut card anymore.

Bottom line is casino's are not ever going to give the player an edge. If a player finds one it will eventually be taken away.

Single deck play when you are placed last and at the end of the table gives you an odds on advantage when counting cards.. You can see the amount of face cards being let down as the deck thins.. Odds get better when you see this when you finally get your cards.. Gives you a slight advantage when to hit or stay.. That's just a FACT!!!!

Now bet amount management and staying on the program and grinding is on the player...

[ronald]

Single deck play when you are placed last and at the end of the table gives you an odds on advantage when counting cards.. You can see the amount of face cards being let down as the deck thins.. Odds get better when you see this when you finally get your cards.. Gives you a slight advantage when to hit or stay.. That's just a FACT!!!!

Now bet amount management and staying on the program and grinding is on the player...

I went to a school with a guy like you.

He name was Yves.

[kyhawk]

The flux can kill you in the game. You need a huge bankroll.

Now that, 6/5 bj vs 3/2 is the rule, it makes tougher.

There is also a doc on amazon about a church group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Team

Holy Rollers: The True Story of Card Counting Christians

I remember on of their guy actually thought the man upstairs knew exactly what the next card would be.

I think their downfall was being too trusting and their "christian" players kept a log of losing money in the casino,

but may have pocketed the money instead.

One of their guys runs a site call black jack apprentice

https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/

[JIBBBY]

I went to a school with a guy like you.

He name was Yves.

Well like I said Ronny be kind and teach me something I don't already know please?.. You got bet points showing and some kind of player discipline unlike me.. .. I do have bets pending though with the silly bet points.

Keeping it real - I stay away from the black jack tables these days.. Last table I sat in on I lost 4 grand throwing down black $100 chips all night long and getting free drinks and comped rooms at the Mirage. Next morning I walked to my room and was probably the most drunk in my life.. I was still walking and straight though and didn't even barf.. Must have been that O2 they were pumping into the casino.. Anyways went to the ER in the morning and they hit me with an IV full of fluids because I was deathly dehydrated.. This was 20 years ago though, haven't played since....

True story.. I remember the game though.. Had good nights playing and had ONE REALLY BAD NIGHT and I was done!!!! Never played since..

[QuantumLeap]

Good luck trying to find single decks...and when you do good luck trying to stay under the radar when you win.

[QuantumLeap]

Stumbled across this on Amazon prime the other day. Pretty interesting doc that focuses on this guy who goes on the road and hits up different casinos all across the country.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07QMS68TC

I see Stanford Wong and James Grosjean are featured actors. Both are legit advantage gamblers.

I would like to see someone include David Morse in one of these shows. For those who don't know him he was kicked out of Atlantic City but never convicted of a crime there.

[sourtwist]

True

100% true

[JIBBBY]

Good luck trying to find single decks...and when you do good luck trying to stay under the radar when you win.

Like I said it's been 20 + years.. Sorry to see they cut out single deck play at the casinos if that's the case.. ..

Smart though.. That wasn't the case 25 years ago.. There was an angle back then..

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Counting cards has been obsolete now for some 20 years at least. Deck penetration is the reason. They simply do not deal enough of the deck(s) to make card counting effective. Casino's could care less if you count cards. In fact, knock yourself out, you'll never win long term

If you're cutting 10's and aces, that doesn't work anymore either, they simply don't show the cut card anymore.

Bottom line is casino's are not ever going to give the player an edge. If a player finds one it will eventually be taken away.

Absolutely wrong. Card counting is alive and well in LV and casinos absolutely do care; the only difficulty is acting like a fool while being a counter.

[PaperTrail07]

I had a dealer giving me pretty solid info in vegas DT....lol tipping well...but anytime he turned a face card up and check the hole card.....he would be like"doubling down I see" and I'm like I don't know the game-Should I.....YES.....he flips a 5 over and runs out (busto).....all you can ask for IMO lol...

Not at all. I've played thousands of hands of BJ and not once have I seen a dealer expose a hole card; anyone who makes such a claim is probably lying.

[milwaukee mike]

Counting cards has been obsolete now for some 20 years at least. Deck penetration is the reason. They simply do not deal enough of the deck(s) to make card counting effective. Casino's could care less if you count cards. In fact, knock yourself out, you'll never win long term

If you're cutting 10's and aces, that doesn't work anymore either, they simply don't show the cut card anymore.

Bottom line is casino's are not ever going to give the player an edge. If a player finds one it will eventually be taken away.

then why have i been banned from playing blackjack at multiple casinos? i sure wish they didn't care

[RangeFinder]

then why have i been banned from playing blackjack at multiple casinos? i sure wish they didn't care

Not sure where you play but it depends on their deck penetration after the shuffle. Nowadays dealers are only dealing 3/4 of a single deck and some only 1/2 and I've seen 6 decks only get dealt about 4 decks. With that you cannot win card counting. It is mathematically impossible.

[ronald]

Absolutely wrong. Card counting is alive and well in LV and casinos absolutely do care; the only difficulty is acting like a fool while being a counter.

[BeatTheJerk]

Jelly explains it all as I'm guessing your 15. I guess it's good to have some young bloods on here who know nothing about what blackjack card counting is ike.
If you haven't heard the same old story many times over regarding black jack and card counting then go ahead and waste an hour and a 1/2 and watch it.
But namjoon.

Excuse me for my “youngsta” slang terminology sir. I’m 37 & have two teenage boys.

[milwaukee mike]

Not sure where you play but it depends on their deck penetration after the shuffle. Nowadays dealers are only dealing 3/4 of a single deck and some only 1/2 and I've seen 6 decks only get dealt about 4 decks. With that you cannot win card counting. It is mathematically impossible.

well you probably wouldn't sit and play where they cut 2 decks off, i agree there... average around the midwest is about a deck, if you're playing alone that's a lot of hands you can eventually get with a +5 or more true count

a lot of games are pretty unbeatable (6/5, places that reshuffle if they think you're counting, slicing off 2 decks, etc) but there are tons of casinos around and most will let you beat them up for a while

without a team it's probably more $/hour working at target unless you're willing to be aggressive and don't mind the heat

[Sam Odom]

anyone see -FH- in the Doc

watched it last night

[biggie12]

Not sure where you play but it depends on their deck penetration after the shuffle. Nowadays dealers are only dealing 3/4 of a single deck and some only 1/2 and I've seen 6 decks only get dealt about 4 decks. With that you cannot win card counting. It is mathematically impossible.

rangefinder. Good job usually dont agreee with your views or opionions but you sre the only person providing accurate information on this thread.

[biggie12]

well you probably wouldn't sit and play where they cut 2 decks off, i agree there... average around the midwest is about a deck, if you're playing alone that's a lot of hands you can eventually get with a +5 or more true count

a lot of games are pretty unbeatable (6/5, places that reshuffle if they think you're counting, slicing off 2 decks, etc) but there are tons of casinos around and most will let you beat them up for a while

without a team it's probably more $/hour working at target unless you're willing to be aggressive and don't mind the heat

milwaukee i played for 5+ years and have been banned from several ontario casinos. Rangefinder 100% right.


If they were not cutting 2 decks+ from 6 card shoe the small CC community would know. Im sure you can still find some small casinos dealing with good penetration. If there is thr table max usually $100 good luck with that.

[mcaulay777]

My favorite from the 70s was Ken Uston I believe just one documentary called Breaking Vegas but I did not really like it caused they used actors I hate that in a doc!

[biggie12]

My favorite from the 70s was Ken Uston I believe just one documentary called Breaking Vegas but I did not really like it caused they used actors I hate that in a doc!

He was the master. Uston upc+3 is the most complex system but like i said earlier pretty much obsolete now

[cincinnatikid513]

i watched guy did well made over 6 figures

[milwaukee mike]

milwaukee i played for 5+ years and have been banned from several ontario casinos. Rangefinder 100% right.


If they were not cutting 2 decks+ from 6 card shoe the small CC community would know. Im sure you can still find some small casinos dealing with good penetration. If there is thr table max usually $100 good luck with that.

i would rather travel around and keep my own eyes open than take someone else's word for it that might not ever even go to wisconsin/illinois/iowa casinos

i agree it's difficult but everything gets more difficult, and "small communities" can quite often totally ignore certain areas, or just keep their mouths shut about good situations

as i said someone would get paid more per hour working at target, but that doesn't mean you can't make anything... you also somewhat contradict yourself saying rangefinder 100% right, didn't he say nobody has been banned for counting in the last 20 years when you yourself have also been banned?

[biggie12]

yeah i did not see where he wrote that. Every north american a
casino was accounted for was expensive to be member if i remember correctly ~1200/year

[milwaukee mike]

yeah i did not see where he wrote that. Every north american a
casino was accounted for was expensive to be member if i remember correctly ~1200/year

wow that's steep just for some info

are you still playing any blackjack, or other forms of advantage gambling?

[hubie69]

Certainly that life style is romanticized amongst gamblers, traveling around the country hitting casinos and playing BJ/Poker/etc. Until you actually do it, that's another matter entirely.

Most people, gamblers or not, do not have the drive and passion to put in the prep work it takes to be successful at such things. The payoff in the end is dodging casino security and possibly not getting to cash your chips.

All that being said, the documentary is a good watch. I enjoyed it.

Card counting is alive and well, but it's getting tougher. 6to5, etc, makes things tough.

[biggie12]

wow that's steep just for some info

are you still playing any blackjack, or other forms of advantage gambling?

No i dont really frequent any b and m casinos anymore. Arb online sometimes but the profits are too thin. just been gambling heavier amounts less frequently

[ByeShea]

I got Prime so I could watch the show, Bosch.

Worth it.

[Rbyrne]

I’ve got prime so just watched it before Monday night football starts, it was good, crazy when he was at the Indian casino and they can do whatever they want and tell u normal laws don’t apply to them. Also when he was in Louisiana and the casino had a cop pull him over when he was leaving just bcuz he wouldn’t show security his ID so they wanted the cops to do it for them. Crazy the lengths a casino will go to and how rude and unreasonable the employees are, I’ve seen it first hand, anytime a dealer makes a mistake they act like it’s no big deal. I literally had a dealer take $300 in chips from me when I had 20 and dealer had 19, my advice is to always pay very close attention to the game and always add up the cards yourself, dealer once said he had 21 when he had 22 and no one noticed at a full table but me.

[milwaukee mike]

I’ve got prime so just watched it before Monday night football starts, it was good, crazy when he was at the Indian casino and they can do whatever they want and tell u normal laws don’t apply to them. Also when he was in Louisiana and the casino had a cop pull him over when he was leaving just bcuz he wouldn’t show security his ID so they wanted the cops to do it for them. Crazy the lengths a casino will go to and how rude and unreasonable the employees are, I’ve seen it first hand, anytime a dealer makes a mistake they act like it’s no big deal. I literally had a dealer take $300 in chips from me when I had 20 and dealer had 19, my advice is to always pay very close attention to the game and always add up the cards yourself, dealer once said he had 21 when he had 22 and no one noticed at a full table but me.

good stuff

my best story of casino crew actually being nice was when around 5-6 people were playing... guy to my right made an unclear motion, dealer thought he wanted to hit so gave him an 8 which was bust card... pit boss comes over since player said he wanted to stand

pit boss says "ok you're good" then looks at me and says "you want to double down then right?" i'm like wtf... he says well that 8 is coming out next (i had 13). had 200 out there so it was essentially a $400 gift