Ezekiel Elliott: Who's side are you on?

[stevenash]

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Good post.

[Sam Odom]

Hillary Clinton's supporters backing Ezekiel Elliott

[Thrilla]

Trump supporters against black athlete

[Sam Odom]

Anyway... Ezekiel touching down in DFW today

Deal is near

[stake1]

I am with "Jerrah" on this one. The union negotiated the current CBA.

Not the owners fault that RB's get underpaid with their rookie contracts.

[Sam Odom]

Trump supporters against black athlete

Rudy

thread is race baiting

[TheMoneyShot]

Give me Ezekiel from the Walking Dead... fukk the other Zeke.

[Snowball]

He jumped ahead because he's scared.
I would trade him. Don't want a guy like that on my team.

Ezekiel Elliott holdout: How we got here, developing contract talks, and what it means for Cowboys, fantasy, gambling - CBSSports.com

[G Anon Dropout]

Binding would mean the owners would have to stop cutting and releasing players still under contract. The owners want it both ways. The players only want it one way. If the player outperforms the contract or the market positively shifts upwards the players want to renegotiate. The owners want to cut/release at will and hold players to contracts below their market value. That stinks.

They aren't paying below market value. Elliott is getting paid 1st round money. There is a 53 man roster plus practice squad players plus injured guys on the IR. There is only so much money to go around. If a team pays a few guys huge money they have to cut corners everywhere else and field a bad team. Without the Oline Elliott wouldn't be nearly as good. If RB's don't like the pay structure try to make it as a QB, LT or DE. They can also go get a job in the real world if they don't like it. I'm sure they have big money skills for business or science.

[seaborneq]

They aren't paying below market value. Elliott is getting paid 1st round money. There is a 53 man roster plus practice squad players plus injured guys on the IR. There is only so much money to go around. If a team pays a few guys huge money they have to cut corners everywhere else and field a bad team. Without the Oline Elliott wouldn't be nearly as good. If RB's don't like the pay structure try to make it as a QB, LT or DE. They can also go get a job in the real world if they don't like it. I'm sure they have big money skills for business or science.

Remember you said it is a pie. Did you feel the same way when Joe Flacco ate up the cap and future winning seasons in Baltimore? Drew Brees after his big deal Saints were barely 8-8 or playoff team and other players who got as much of the pie as they could. There were practice squad players and IR players on those teams too. The Ravens cut damn near every good player they had after Flacco's deal and didn't make the playoffs again until Lamar Jackson took over. But you were ok with that weren't you?? The Saints couldn't stop a nosebleed on defense after poning up 40+ million for Drew Brees, do you know why??? No money on defense no playoffs most of those years. Flacco had a good playoff run, but he wasn't worth 20+ million a year or one of the highest paid QB's at the time. Drew Brees was paid on legacy and didn't cut the Saints any cap room slack. But you are bitching about the best offensive player on the cowboys, in his prime, getting too much of the pie?? Give me a break.

[Mrtop7]

just about to sign

[dlowilly]

Remember you said it is a pie. Did you feel the same way when Joe Flacco ate up the cap and future winning seasons in Baltimore? Drew Brees after his big deal Saints were barely 8-8 or playoff team and other players who got as much of the pie as they could. There were practice squad players and IR players on those teams too. The Ravens cut damn near every good player they had after Flacco's deal and didn't make the playoffs again until Lamar Jackson took over. But you were ok with that weren't you?? The Saints couldn't stop a nosebleed on defense after poning up 40+ million for Drew Brees, do you know why??? No money on defense no playoffs most of those years. Flacco had a good playoff run, but he wasn't worth 20+ million a year or one of the highest paid QB's at the time. Drew Brees was paid on legacy and didn't cut the Saints any cap room slack. But you are bitching about the best offensive player on the cowboys, in his prime, getting too much of the pie?? Give me a break.

I seriously don't know, did Flacco and Brees hold out to renegotiate contracts? Or was it what they got for a new contract? If ur comparing behavior of the athletes and how it affects a team it kind of makes a difference.

[2daBank]

They aren't paying below market value. Elliott is getting paid 1st round money. There is a 53 man roster plus practice squad players plus injured guys on the IR. There is only so much money to go around. If a team pays a few guys huge money they have to cut corners everywhere else and field a bad team. Without the Oline Elliott wouldn't be nearly as good. If RB's don't like the pay structure try to make it as a QB, LT or DE. They can also go get a job in the real world if they don't like it. I'm sure they have big money skills for business or science.

Or he can do what he is doing and get the money he feels he deserves. Running backs have to go this route cause the likelihood of getting big money after the rookie contract is pretty slim as teams hold it against them for running them into the ground.

Of course the oline helps him but that works both ways. he isn’t just some random plug and play guy, he is elite and makes any oline look better.

There only a handful of backs who true difference makers and it a shame they get lumped into this narrative that backs don’t matter. Everyone acts like Steelers didn’t miss a beat without bell but that interesting since I didn’t see them in playoffs like they were every year he played. Rams damn sure didn’t look as formidable once Gurley wasn’t himself. Take kumara off the saints and they be lucky to win 8 games. Just because teams win without elite backs doesn’t devalue the truly elite who do in fact make their respective teams better. That why Zeke gonna get what he wanted cause without him Dallas chances of getting a SB ring go right out the window.

[dlowilly]

You won't hear me argue Zeke isn't a huge part of that team but he signed a fukin contract

He wanted the security of that guaranteed money in case he got hurt or didn't pan out and now that things are looking good he wants to rewrite the script.

These players who want to renegotiate when they perform well and stay healthy after a few years are betting a hand of blackjack at $100 and demanding to up the bet to $1000 when they get dealt a 20.

[2daBank]

You won't hear me argue Zeke isn't a huge part of that team but he signed a fukin contract

So what? Owners can cut players whenever they see fit. Let’s not act like there any honor from either side of those contracts.

[dlowilly]

So what? Owners can cut players whenever they see fit. Let’s not act like there any honor from either side of those contracts.

Already been discussed

That is within the rules of the contract. If teams couldn't cut players you would have half the league showing up at camp 50 lbs overweight and refusing to run a lap.

[2daBank]

Already been discussed

That is within the rules of the contract. If teams couldn't cut players you would have half the league showing up at camp 50 lbs overweight and refusing to run a lap. If a player doesn't like it they can try to get a team to put in a no cut clause.

Or they can just hold out and get what they deserve. Goes both ways.

[seaborneq]

^^^^Good stuff 2daBank

[2daBank]

Fukkin hilarious to me the ppl who act like players shouldn’t hold out. No surprise it mostly the types who have proven to have racist undertones to their post.

Anyone who has a problem w players trying to get most they can should go to work 2marro and tell their boss they would like a pay cut.

[seaborneq]

Or he can do what he is doing and get the money he feels he deserves. Running backs have to go this route cause the likelihood of getting big money after the rookie contract is pretty slim as teams hold it against them for running them into the ground.

Of course the oline helps him but that works both ways. he isn’t just some random plug and play guy, he is elite and makes any oline look better.

There only a handful of backs who true difference makers and it a shame they get lumped into this narrative that backs don’t matter. Everyone acts like Steelers didn’t miss a beat without bell but that interesting since I didn’t see them in playoffs like they were every year he played. Rams damn sure didn’t look as formidable once Gurley wasn’t himself. Take kumara off the saints and they be lucky to win 8 games. Just because teams win without elite backs doesn’t devalue the truly elite who do in fact make their respective teams better. That why Zeke gonna get what he wanted cause without him Dallas chances of getting a SB ring go right out the window.

👍👍👍

[dlowilly]

Or they can just hold out and get what they deserve. Goes both ways.

Deserve? They got guaranteed money without playing a down. They get what they deserve when they fulfill their rookie contract. Can teams get all that guaranteed money back when a player is a bust? Are we going to act like that doesn't happen?

[2daBank]

Deserve? They got guaranteed money without playing a down. They get what they deserve when they fulfill their rookie contract. Can teams get all that guaranteed money back when a player is a bust? Are we going to act like that doesn't happen?

You can act however you want, wouldn’t expect any different from you. When they don’t perform they get cut and don’t get the sacred contract that owners signed!!!

Yes deserves, he the best back in the league, he should get paid like it. Rookies don’t have a choice as rookie deals are pretty much set in stone based off draft position.

Go to work 2marro and tell your boss you want a pay cut. You don’t ask for raise when you feel you producing more than what you being paid? (Whatever they paying you prob too much, doubt you worth minimum wage). I have asked and gotten more money at majority of my jobs within month or 2 of agreeing to less. Once you prove you worth more you get more, unless you stupid.

[dlowilly]

Fukkin hilarious to me the ppl who act like players shouldn’t hold out. No surprise it mostly the types who have proven to have racist undertones to their post.

Anyone who has a problem w players trying to get most they can should go to work 2marro and tell their boss they would like a pay cut.

Oh a "Thas racisss!" argument now? LOL

There might be some truth to that considering the vast majority of holdouts since the CBA for fair contracts are of the race which also wants reparations. Oh you mean we are racist? When it's only black players holding out which of course is a choice, claiming criticism of holdouts is racist is pretty hilarious.

[2daBank]

Oh a "Thas racisss!" argument now? LOL

There might be some truth to that considering the vast majority of holdouts since the CBA for fair contracts are of the race which also wants reparations. Oh you mean we are racist? When it's only black players holding out which of course is a choice, claiming criticism of holdouts is racist is pretty hilarious.

Ain’t no argument. Just pointing out it no surprise a piece of shit like you thinks he should be a good boy and take whatever they give him w a smile.

[dlowilly]

You can act however you want, wouldn’t expect any different from you. Yes deserves, he the best back in the league, he should get paid like it. Rookies don’t have a choice as rookie deals are pretty much set in stone based off draft position.

Go to work 2marro and tell your boss you want a pay cut. You don’t ask for raise when you feel you producing more than what you being paid? (Whatever they paying you prob too much, doubt you worth minimum wage). I have asked and gotten more money at majority of my jobs within month or 2 of agreeing to less. Once you prove you worth more you get more, unless you stupid.

Uh oh I see I hit a nerve so u want to get personal. I realize you have trouble grasping the importance of laws and contracts in economics considering ur proud of your drug pushing days but try to understand something.

Yes, of course you can ask for a raise unless you have a contract you signed. If you signed say a 3 year contract at a certain salary, you work your ass off for 3 years and then ask for a raise. If you get caught watching porn and smoking weed on the clock your contract probably says you can get fired. You want it to be different for NFL running backs because ur a silly guy.

[dlowilly]

Ain’t no argument. Just pointing out it no surprise a piece of shit like you thinks he should be a good boy and take whatever they give him w a smile.

Ur the drug pusher ya thugtard. That makes u the POS

[teecee]

Remember you said it is a pie. Did you feel the same way when Joe Flacco ate up the cap and future winning seasons in Baltimore? Drew Brees after his big deal Saints were barely 8-8 or playoff team and other players who got as much of the pie as they could. There were practice squad players and IR players on those teams too. The Ravens cut damn near every good player they had after Flacco's deal and didn't make the playoffs again until Lamar Jackson took over. But you were ok with that weren't you?? The Saints couldn't stop a nosebleed on defense after poning up 40+ million for Drew Brees, do you know why??? No money on defense no playoffs most of those years. Flacco had a good playoff run, but he wasn't worth 20+ million a year or one of the highest paid QB's at the time. Drew Brees was paid on legacy and didn't cut the Saints any cap room slack. But you are bitching about the best offensive player on the cowboys, in his prime, getting too much of the pie?? Give me a break.

I think you just solidified his point.

[teecee]

Or they can just hold out and get what they deserve. Goes both ways.

Yeah, an extended vacation in Cabo, when everyone else is working.

[Grits n' Gravy]

But an NFL team is a business. Who is to say extra money should go to the player over the owner? A team being able to cut a player and that player not getting non guaranteed money is no breach of the contract. If a player doesn't like that, get more guaranteed money. A player renegotiating a contract because he wants more money isn't part of the contract. Claiming players should get more money because owners have it is leftist SJW hogwash.

You make some valid points but the player is completely within his rights to hold out if he wants new deal. He must understand he will get a bunch of bad PR and will take a short term hit financially while working for the deal.

Fans come to see stars, not owners. If you can spend 2+ billion to buy a franchise, don’t skimp on the stars that fans come to see. Nobody is coming to watch Jerry’s old drunk ass in skybox.

Asking for more money is not leftist hogwash, it is capitalism.

[Grits n' Gravy]

I'm guessing that the same ppl siding with players who are still under contract are the same ppl who would picket demanding $15 hourly for working at McDonalds.

Entry level jobs at places like McDs should be able to pay a decent wage. $15/hr is a bit high in most cities but considering they rarely provide health insurance to their employees, $11-12/hr isn’t asking too much. If you are an adult and working at McDs you need to look in the mirror and admit you made some poor life choices.

[G Anon Dropout]

Remember you said it is a pie. Did you feel the same way when Joe Flacco ate up the cap and future winning seasons in Baltimore? Drew Brees after his big deal Saints were barely 8-8 or playoff team and other players who got as much of the pie as they could. There were practice squad players and IR players on those teams too. The Ravens cut damn near every good player they had after Flacco's deal and didn't make the playoffs again until Lamar Jackson took over. But you were ok with that weren't you?? The Saints couldn't stop a nosebleed on defense after poning up 40+ million for Drew Brees, do you know why??? No money on defense no playoffs most of those years. Flacco had a good playoff run, but he wasn't worth 20+ million a year or one of the highest paid QB's at the time. Drew Brees was paid on legacy and didn't cut the Saints any cap room slack. But you are bitching about the best offensive player on the cowboys, in his prime, getting too much of the pie?? Give me a break.

I was absolutely against Flacco getting that money as Aaron Rodgers. You pay one guy all that money it kills your chances. Notice how Tom Brady has never been the highest paid QB or even close. I'm not bitching about the money he makes....he is. Like I said, if he doesn't like making millions running with a football let him go out and make that money somewhere else.

[Duckshit]

nothing to do with sports betting

saloon thread

saloon rudy.....seriously

[G Anon Dropout]

Fukkin hilarious to me the ppl who act like players shouldn’t hold out. No surprise it mostly the types who have proven to have racist undertones to their post.

Anyone who has a problem w players trying to get most they can should go to work 2marro and tell their boss they would like a pay cut.

Your point makes no sense. The owner (Jones) is not asking Elliott to take a pay cut. Elliott signed a contract which currently has two years left on it. He is asking for a raise. Actually, he isn't just asking, he is refusing to work until he gets one. It's racist to expect someone to play out their contract?

[2daBank]

Well Zeke got himself another 37 mil guaranteed. Smart ppl know their worth and get it, losers talk about how they should play out their contracts that owners can void anytime they feel like.

[2daBank]

Your point makes no sense. The owner (Jones) is not asking Elliott to take a pay cut. Elliott signed a contract which currently has two years left on it. He is asking for a raise. Actually, he isn't just asking, he is refusing to work until he gets one. It's racist to expect someone to play out their contract?

No not racist. Fukkin stupid. Congrats.