Ezekiel Elliott: Who's side are you on?

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  • SamsNCharge99
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-22-08
    • 41242

    #106
    Finally signed!!!!!!
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    • seaborneq
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-08-06
      • 22556

      #107
      Zeke won this one by a landscape. Got the money he has earned. He Should be the top paid running back.
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      • stevenash
        Moderator
        • 01-17-11
        • 65631

        #108
        Originally posted by SamsNCharge99
        Finally signed!!!!!!
        Over/Under on the length of time Zeke demands negotiations, 2.5 years.
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        • teecee
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-18-09
          • 6298

          #109
          He got what he wanted. Good, bc now we don't have to hear about it every time we turn around.

          The NFL would be nothing without guys like Jerry Jones. Without Elliot, we'd all still watch and gamble. These guys need to understand that without the owners, they don't have jobs. If there were no NFL Jerry Jones and the like would make money investing somewhere else.

          It's not always about winning, which "Zeke" will help them do. But sometimes it is. It is always, always about money. It is a business first and a game people want to win second.
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          • EmpireMaker
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 06-18-09
            • 15582

            #110
            Associated Press September 4, 2019, 8:09 AM




            The Dallas Cowboys and Ezekiel Elliott have agreed on a $90 million, six-year contract extension that will make him the NFL’s highest-paid running back and end a holdout that lasted the entire preseason, a person with knowledge of the agreement said Wednesday.
            The breakthrough was finalized the morning of the team’s first full workout before Sunday’s opener at home against the New York Giants. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the deal hasn’t been announced.
            Elliott will get $50 million guaranteed. The $15 million-per-year average on the extension surpasses the $14.4 million Todd Gurley got from the Los Angeles Rams last summer. Gurley’s guarantee was $45 million.
            The 41-day standoff between Dallas and the two-time NFL rushing champion came with the Cowboys holding high expectations coming off their first playoff win with Elliott and quarterback Dak Prescott. They’ve won two NFC East titles in three seasons together.
            Although Prescott and receiver Amari Cooper are seeking long-term contracts in the final year of their rookie deals, getting an agreement with Elliott settles the most important issue as the Cowboys try to get past the divisional round for the first time since winning the last of the franchise’s five Super Bowls during the 1995 season.
            Elliott held out with two years left on his rookie contract, at $3.9 million this season and $9.1 million in 2020. The fourth overall pick in the 2016 draft wanted to be the highest-paid back after getting those two rushing titles in only three years.
            Even when he was suspended for six games over domestic violence allegations in 2017, Elliott still had the best per-game rushing average.
            But the off-field issues were part of the backdrop as the stalemate dragged on, although owner and general manager Jerry Jones said more than once he didn’t consider Elliott’s issues a factor as it related to a new contract.
            Jones jokingly said "Zeke who?" in response to a question from a reporter after a second straight solid preseason showing from rookie fourth-round pick Tony Pollard in Hawaii. A few days later, though, Jones sternly said he had earned the right to joke about Elliott after the 2016 All-Pro’s representatives took offence to the remark.
            Over the next couple of weeks, Jones took an increasingly hardline stance publicly, finally calling out Elliott for not honouring his existing contract during his radio show last week.
            But Elliott’s agent, Rocky Arceneaux, told reporters the sides were close to a deal after Elliott landed at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport on Tuesday. Elliott spent almost the entire holdout in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico.
            Elliott rose to stardom as a sophomore at Ohio State during the first College Football Playoff following the 2014 season, most notably at the home of the Cowboys when he rushed for 246 yards and four touchdowns in a blowout of Oregon in the championship game.
            He wasted little time having an impact with the Cowboys, winning the rushing title as a rookie while Prescott earned NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year honours after Dallas won a franchise-record 11 straight games and was the top seed in the NFC. The Cowboys lost to Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay in the divisional round.
            After the addition of Cooper in a midseason trade last year, Prescott and Elliott got a wild-card win over Seattle following their second division title last season. The Cowboys lost to the Los Angeles Rams, falling to 0-6 in the divisional round since beating Pittsburgh in the 1996 Super Bowl.
            The Cowboys kept just two backs behind Elliott when they made their final cuts of the preseason: Pollard and Alfred Morris, a seven-year veteran who was Elliott’s primary replacement during the suspension two years ago. Morris rejoined the club in training camp. They later added Jordan Chunn.
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            • shadymcgrady
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-27-12
              • 10036

              #111
              I'm on my own side, fukk outta here with this left right propaga bullsht
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              • bigtymer56
                SBR MVP
                • 07-31-12
                • 4742

                #112
                Originally posted by teecee
                He got what he wanted. Good, bc now we don't have to hear about it every time we turn around.

                The NFL would be nothing without guys like Jerry Jones. Without Elliot, we'd all still watch and gamble. These guys need to understand that without the owners, they don't have jobs. If there were no NFL Jerry Jones and the like would make money investing somewhere else.

                It's not always about winning, which "Zeke" will help them do. But sometimes it is. It is always, always about money. It is a business first and a game people want to win second.
                Plenty of rich guys out there. The NFL would be fine with or without Jerry.
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                • bigtymer56
                  SBR MVP
                  • 07-31-12
                  • 4742

                  #113
                  Originally posted by shadymcgrady
                  I'm on my own side, fukk outta here with this left right propaga bullsht
                  Not sure why there need to be sides in this. Or why people get upset with somebody trying to negotiate for more money when they believe they are worth it. Nobody seems get mad when owners cut somebody who isnt worth their contract anymore. There's no loyalty either way.
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                  • homie1975
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-24-13
                    • 15452

                    #114
                    i voted for the player. the player is the one risking his health. i am always for the player. guess what? the player won. as it should be.
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                    • seaborneq
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 09-08-06
                      • 22556

                      #115
                      Originally posted by homie1975
                      i voted for the player. the player is the one risking his health. i am always for the player. guess what? the player won. as it should be.
                      You are making too much sense. It's above the pay grade to see this from the perspective of the everyday laborer. At everyone's job there is someone who gets perks no one else can get. Same thing in the NFL, just on a much larger scale.
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                      • SmokingKing
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-14-19
                        • 1234

                        #116
                        Cowboys made a mistake
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                        • krk1030
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                          • 08-13-08
                          • 17610

                          #117
                          Originally posted by bigtymer56
                          Not sure why there need to be sides in this. Or why people get upset with somebody trying to negotiate for more money when they believe they are worth it. Nobody seems get mad when owners cut somebody who isnt worth their contract anymore. There's no loyalty either way.
                          I could see if you root for the cowboys and don't want to allocate so much of the cap to a running back.

                          But on general people saying players are overpaid oa so dumb....so you just want the owners to pocket more.money.
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                          • chico2663
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 09-02-10
                            • 36915

                            #118
                            as a cowboys fan...i am for zeke. All you have to do is look at earl campbell to realize the punishment these guys take. Last year until they traded for cooper he had to run against 9 men in a box. jones is a p.o.s. that fuckked the coach tom, jimmy johnson because of his pride and the cowboys fans by keeping this tub of goo coach.
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                            • dlowilly
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                              • 11-09-16
                              • 13862

                              #119
                              If i may make another analogy, if the NFL were a game of blackjack:

                              Teams who cut players are surrendering their hand to get half back (within the rules)

                              Players who hold out are whales demanding they are allowed to increase their bet on a good hand or the casino can kick them out and never see their action again (Many times a successful strategy but against the actual rules)
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                              • teecee
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-18-09
                                • 6298

                                #120
                                Originally posted by bigtymer56
                                Plenty of rich guys out there. The NFL would be fine with or without Jerry.
                                Guys "like" Jerry.
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                                • teecee
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-18-09
                                  • 6298

                                  #121
                                  I don't have a problem with guys wanting more money. We all want more. I would come to work and honor my contract. You can still use the media to talk about how you'd like to renegotiate your contract. It's a bad look, imo, when guys do this shit from their extended vacations.
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                                  • pavyracer
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 04-12-07
                                    • 82839

                                    #122
                                    I told you that Jerry will cave in and pay him. Zeke was holding the upper hand the whole time.
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                                    • kingdom
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 07-25-10
                                      • 10099

                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by dlowilly
                                      If i may make another analogy, if the NFL were a game of blackjack:

                                      Teams who cut players are surrendering their hand to get half back (within the rules)

                                      Players who hold out are whales demanding they are allowed to increase their bet on a good hand or the casino can kick them out and never see their action again (Many times a successful strategy but against the actual rules)
                                      both analogies are extremely dumb. you don't choose your cards in blackjack. when you exceed your contract it is because of the effort you put in. but we know where and why you stand on this. your life must be shit.
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                                      • asiagambler
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 07-23-17
                                        • 6827

                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by dlowilly
                                        If i may make another analogy, if the NFL were a game of blackjack:

                                        Teams who cut players are surrendering their hand to get half back (within the rules)

                                        Players who hold out are whales demanding they are allowed to increase their bet on a good hand or the casino can kick them out and never see their action again (Many times a successful strategy but against the actual rules)
                                        I don't think that's a good analogy at all.

                                        But with that said, why is increasing their bet against the rules? That sounds exactly like doubling down which IS allowed.
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                                        • asiagambler
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 07-23-17
                                          • 6827

                                          #125
                                          Splitting also increases the bet
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                                          • cincinnatikid513
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 11-23-17
                                            • 45360

                                            #126
                                            watch week 1 he tears his acl
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                                            • GUMMO77
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 08-23-10
                                              • 9294

                                              #127
                                              Guaranteed contracts and all this BS goes away.
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                                              • dlowilly
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 11-09-16
                                                • 13862

                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by kingdom
                                                both analogies are extremely dumb. you don't choose your cards in blackjack. when you exceed your contract it is because of the effort you put in. but we know where and why you stand on this. your life must be shit.
                                                "Exceed your contract"? Now that's dumb lol. But we know where and why you stand on any post I make. You are kingdumb, I buried your worthless ass multiple times, and you should get back in your casket.
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                                                • dlowilly
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-09-16
                                                  • 13862

                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by asiagambler
                                                  I don't think that's a good analogy at all.

                                                  But with that said, why is increasing their bet against the rules? That sounds exactly like doubling down which IS allowed.
                                                  Originally posted by asiagambler
                                                  Splitting also increases the bet
                                                  Both those things (doubling and splitting) are in the rules of blackjack (like teams cutting players is in the rules of the contract) If someone wants to split a 20 they can, but they can't increase the bet to 1000 and then do it. Increasing from 100 to 1000 without doing anything to your hand is not in the rules (like a player holding out is not in the contract).
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                                                  • The Kraken
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                                                    • 12-25-11
                                                    • 28918

                                                    #130
                                                    If Jerry is willing to pay, I support Zeke trying to get paid. Ya never gonna get more unless you ask. I dont think Jerry had a problem one paying Zeke,and honestly he’s probably glad he negotiated a 6 year deal today, and not teo years down the road
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                                                    • 19th Hole
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                                                      • 03-22-09
                                                      • 18954

                                                      #131
                                                      I remember when Nolan Ryan got the 1st Million$ contract.
                                                      Been crazy ever since.
                                                      With the amount of revenue in sports let the players knock down all that they can.
                                                      But don't ask me to buy season tickets or team gear.
                                                      Not that any man over the age of 18 should be caught wearing a team jersey.
                                                      Let the players roll in $dough$.
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                                                      • homie1975
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-24-13
                                                        • 15452

                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by 19th Hole
                                                        I remember when Nolan Ryan got the 1st Million$ contract.
                                                        Been crazy ever since.
                                                        With the amount of revenue in sports let the players knock down all that they can.
                                                        But don't ask me to buy season tickets or team gear.
                                                        Not that any man over the age of 18 should be caught wearing a team jersey.
                                                        Let the players roll in $dough$.
                                                        imagine that, you and i actually agree on multiple things
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                                                        • The Kraken
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 12-25-11
                                                          • 28918

                                                          #133
                                                          I think this is common sense

                                                          Let Zeke ask for the galaxy

                                                          Let Jerry offer him peanuts

                                                          And let those two come to an agreement that works for both of them. They’re both just representing their own interest and neither has to accept the others demands

                                                          I aint mad at either and I dont side with either guy, not my negotiation
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                                                          • dlowilly
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                                                            • 11-09-16
                                                            • 13862

                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by The Kraken
                                                            I think this is common sense

                                                            Let Zeke ask for the galaxy

                                                            Let Jerry offer him peanuts

                                                            And let those two come to an agreement that works for both of them. They’re both just representing their own interest and neither has to accept the others demands

                                                            I aint mad at either and I dont side with either guy, not my negotiation
                                                            Of course, it's capitalism Jerry should pay as little as he can and Zeke should get as much as he can. Problem is Zeke signed a contract, which is a big part of capitalism too.
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                                                            • dlowilly
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                                                              • 11-09-16
                                                              • 13862

                                                              #135
                                                              I'm still laughing at Kingdumb's "exceed your contract" comment.

                                                              Pretty sure when an athlete signs a contract it includes him performing the best he can.
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                                                              • Mac4Lyfe
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 01-04-09
                                                                • 48383

                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by Hman
                                                                I will always side with the team and/or owner over a player who is still under contract trying to breach it
                                                                I am usually on the side of the players because NFL contracts are shit and borderline illegal. Sure, most people here will say that these players make too much money, should just shut up and play with what they originally agreed to but most people here, never played, let alone ever seen an NFL contract. Start looking closer at guaranteed money and salary, which is NOT guaranteed and you get a better picture of what's really going on.
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                                                                • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                                  • 01-04-09
                                                                  • 48383

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                                  Of course, it's capitalism Jerry should pay as little as he can and Zeke should get as much as he can. Problem is Zeke signed a contract, which is a big part of capitalism too.
                                                                  He signed a rookie contract almost 4 years ago that had ZERO to do with his accomplishments on the NFL field. Think about that for a moment. He got slotted into a rookie contract. Why should he continue to work under a contract that was not valid? He is the best player on the Cowboys. Shouldn't he get compensated as such?

                                                                  Let's say you work for a company. You are getting paid a salary. You are basically under contract. Let's say that you end up discovering something that makes the company gobs of money. Should you get compensate more? Or should you stay under your current salary? Wouldn't you deserve at least a raise? Or should you keep getting your current paycheck for life?

                                                                  Let's say you have an endorsement deal with Nike. You end up winning the grand slam in tennis. Shouldn't you renegotiate your contract? What do you think actors/actresses, corporate CEO's, doctors and lawyers do every day? It's just not public.
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                                                                  • Mac4Lyfe
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 01-04-09
                                                                    • 48383

                                                                    #138
                                                                    Originally posted by teecee
                                                                    I don't have a problem with guys wanting more money. We all want more. I would come to work and honor my contract. You can still use the media to talk about how you'd like to renegotiate your contract. It's a bad look, imo, when guys do this shit from their extended vacations.
                                                                    The only leverage you have is by NOT COMING TO WORK. You are crazy if you come to work under a contract that you no longer believe in. Especially in the NFL where any play could be your last.
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                                                                    • dlowilly
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                                                                      • 11-09-16
                                                                      • 13862

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                                                      He signed a rookie contract almost 4 years ago that had ZERO to do with his accomplishments on the NFL field. Think about that for a moment. He got slotted into a rookie contract. Why should he continue to work under a contract that was not valid? He is the best player on the Cowboys. Shouldn't he get compensated as such?

                                                                      Let's say you work for a company. You are getting paid a salary. You are basically under contract. Let's say that you end up discovering something that makes the company gobs of money. Should you get compensate more? Or should you stay under your current salary? Wouldn't you deserve at least a raise? Or should you keep getting your current paycheck for life?

                                                                      Let's say you have an endorsement deal with Nike. You end up winning the grand slam in tennis. Shouldn't you renegotiate your contract? What do you think actors/actresses, corporate CEO's, doctors and lawyers do every day? It's just not public.
                                                                      The cba negotiated those contracts so it was fair for all players. Whining you want more because u did a good job is revisionist bs. Like someone else said, if he was a bust or tore an Achilles was he going to give back the guaranteed money? If he didnt like the contract he could have held out of the draft and see if things got better or he could have played somewhere else. Truth is that is about the best he could have hoped for before playing a down in the nfl. If players hate the structure the cba could restructure but they won’t because they try to do what’s best for all players.

                                                                      What do u mean if u are getting paid a salary u are basically under contract? U either signed a contract or u didn’t. If u didn’t, then go right ahead and ask for a raise. If u did, fulfill ur contract and perform well, then ask for a raise. Not complicated

                                                                      Your analogy of discovering something that makes the company gobs of money is a miss also. Usually if u are in a position to discover or invent something it is stipulated Your employer gets the rights to that and compensation for such things is included in ur pay.
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                                                                      • Mac4Lyfe
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 01-04-09
                                                                        • 48383

                                                                        #140
                                                                        Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                                        The cba negotiated those contracts so it was fair for all players. Whining you want more because u did a good job is revisionist bs. Like someone else said, if he was a bust or tore an Achilles was he going to give back the guaranteed money? If he didnt like the contract he could have held out of the draft and see if things got better or he could have played somewhere else. Truth is that is about the best he could have hoped for before playing a down in the nfl. If players hate the structure the cba could restructure but they won’t because they try to do what’s best for all players.
                                                                        What do u mean if u are getting paid a salary u are basically under contract? U either signed a contract or u didn’t. If u didn’t, then go right ahead and ask for a raise. If u did, fulfill ur contract and perform well, then ask for a raise. Not complicated
                                                                        Your analogy of discovering something that makes the company gobs of money is a miss also. Usually if u are in a position to discover or invent something it is stipulated Your employer gets the rights to that and compensation for such things is included in ur pay.
                                                                        The NFLPA is one of the most corrupt groups in all of labor. They are in cahoots with the NFL. The fact you think the CBA is fair is a joke. Elliott had zero relationship with the NFLPA/CBA coming out of college. They did not and do not represent him. The NFL is a monopoly, where else would you suggest he play? Of course it was his only real option.

                                                                        Have you ever worked a W-2 wage earner for a company or 1099 independent contractor? You are exchanging work for pay. You signed a contract even as an employee. It really doesn't matter the classification. In either case, f you are not happy with the pay, or if you think you are worth more, you can lobby for more pay. The main difference is that you can always go somewhere else if you are not happy with your pay. Athletes have very little recourse to go anywhere else because most sports are monopolies.

                                                                        If you're a contractor working for a company, you are not bound to work under that contract FOREVER. Let's say you contracted to build an office building. What if the cost of labor or the cost of materials went up exponentially for some reason. Do you still work under that contract and bankrupt your company or do you renegotiate? So are you saying it's okay to ask for a raise but only if you are not under contract?
                                                                        If you discovered something on your job, do you think you should be justly compensated or would you just roll over and give it to your employer? I already know your answer. You'd just roll over. A smart person would negotiate compensation before disclosing the discovery.
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