Kawhi free agency - I'll be very surprised if he stays in Toronto............

**kingdom** · 07-04-19, 10:21 AM

Jordan has what tom brady has. anger and fire with their greatness. lebron is competitive but his style is more professional than emotional. Jordan and Brady have a will to win and exhibit extreme aggression when it matters most. Lebron is more steady and plays within the games no matter what. If he had jordan's aggression he would be a much better player than even he is.

They asked Phil the difference between Kobe and Jordan. He said both hate to lose, but jordan hates to lose one game even in season. Kobe hated losing when it mattered but jordan hated losing ever. He called him the most fierce competitor he ever saw. If you watch the games against utah they were often down in 3rd quarter and even the fourth, and he would just be like give me the ball and continually find his shots or ft line.

**JIBBBY** · 07-04-19, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by kingdom

HOUSTON ROCKETS?????? Jibbs this disqualifies you from talking basketball.

There up there in the odds to win the Championship on the books..

Bucks probably come out of the East.. Who is gonna take out the Rockets in the West? Warriors without KD, OKC maybe? Lakers will if they get Leonard but that's not cemented in yet.

Harden will be back and so will most of his supporting cast.. They did well in the playoffs this last year.. As of right now I got the Rockets coming out of the West.

Is what it is. https://www.lineups.com/betting/odds...-title-winner/

**2daBank** · 07-04-19, 10:27 AM

Didn’t warriors without kd just take out the rockets? They losers man, always will be long as that bearded stat padding clown playing for them. No damn chance they come out of west.

**navyblue81** · 07-04-19, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by kingdom

Jordan has what tom brady has. anger and fire with their greatness. lebron is competitive but his style is more professional than emotional. Jordan and Brady have a will to win and exhibit extreme aggression when it matters most. Lebron is more steady and plays within the games no matter what. If he had jordan's aggression he would be a much better player than even he is.

They asked Phil the difference between Kobe and Jordan. He said both hate to lose, but jordan hates to lose one game even in season. Kobe hated losing when it mattered but jordan hated losing ever. He called him the most fierce competitor he ever saw. If you watch the games against utah they were often down in 3rd quarter and even the fourth, and he would just be like give me the ball and continually find his shots or ft line.

Well, Jordan’s own words was he wanted to beat the best. He would never consider wanting to join forces with Bird or Magic. Lebron is more of a “I want to join the best.” So yes, Jordan was definitely more of a competitor. Lebron has incredible skills, but has a tendency to isolate himself more and whine over the little things. Some of his on court outbursts and his frustrations with the team last year attest to that.

**JIBBBY** · 07-04-19, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Didn’t warriors without kd just take out the rockets? They losers man, always will be long as that bearded stat padding clown playing for them. No damn chance they come out of west.

KD played in that series, Rockets hung, series was tied 2-2 at one point.. https://www.google.com/search?source...31.QMDTpq6eIuo

You fellas aren't giving the Rockets much credit last year. They were a good team and right there at the end.. Pushed the Warriors in the Western Conference finals.. They were the #2 ranked team in the west last year when all was said and done right behind the Warriors.

**2daBank** · 07-04-19, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

KD played in that series, Rockets hung, series was tied 2-2 at one point.. https://www.google.com/search?source...31.QMDTpq6eIuo

You fellas aren't giving the Rockets much credit last year. They were a good team and right there at the end.. Pushed the Warriors in the Western Conference finals.. They were the #2 ranked team in the west last year when all was said and done right behind the Warriors.

Then they got smoked after kd went down.

**thomorino** · 07-04-19, 10:52 AM

Jordan was ruthless and that was a big part of what made him great, their are also many stories of what an asshole he is too that the media has kept quiet.

**homie1975** · 07-04-19, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

Jordan was ruthless and that was a big part of what made him great, their are also many stories of what an asshole he is too that the media has kept quiet.

Yup because anyone who dare tell the truth about Jordan, magic. Bird, would lose access to them for interviews etc

**Cuse0323** · 07-04-19, 11:08 AM

People still Toronto dreaming?

**jjgold** · 07-04-19, 11:09 AM

He’ll be on Toronto expect a decision today or tomorrow

**JIBBBY** · 07-04-19, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Then they got smoked after kd went down.

I think the Rockets would have beat the Raptors if they made it to the finals... Raptors won by default after all those Warrior injuries.. Raptors aren't doing crap next year even with Leonard.

This Raptors championship was a gift..

**asiagambler** · 07-04-19, 11:32 AM

I agree with Jibbbby. Rockets are still a force to be reckoned with. Paul is a role player at this point in his career but have to remember Harden might be the best player in the league and he's in his prime. Plus their "role players" are pretty damn good if we're talking about Paul, Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker.

This is the team that took 3 games from the Warriors last year that was basically unbeatable and steamrolled the Cavs in the Finals.

**lakerboy** · 07-04-19, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Cuse0323

People still Toronto dreaming?

Has he signed with the clippers or Lakers?

**lakerboy** · 07-04-19, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I think the Rockets would have beat the Raptors if they made it to the finals... Raptors won by default after all those Warrior injuries.. Raptors aren't doing crap next year even with Leonard.

This Raptors championship was a gift..

Bullshit. The raptors beat the best team in the league in the conference finals and beat a solid Philly team. Houston would have lost easily to Toronto.

**2daBank** · 07-04-19, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

I agree with Jibbbby. Rockets are still a force to be reckoned with. Paul is a role player at this point in his career but have to remember Harden might be the best player in the league and he's in his prime. Plus their "role players" are pretty damn good if we're talking about Paul, Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker.

This is the team that took 3 games from the Warriors last year that was basically unbeatable and steamrolled the Cavs in the Finals.

Harden best player in league? Not a damn chance. If we did a redraft where all the players got put in the middle and they took whomever they wanted There no GM in the league that would start by picking harden. Guy is a regular season stat padding warrior who’s efficiency numbers get a huge boost from all the garbage fouls he draws by flopping the whole stinking game!

**asiagambler** · 07-04-19, 12:07 PM

I think he signs with the Lakers. Kawhi probably wasn't happy about the leaks before he even met with Raptors but I think in the end, he will relent to Uncle Dennis and choose what's best for his brand. The leak to Jalen Rose may even have been calculated to quash all the Lakers rumours and out of respect to Toronto because it seemed like he made a decision already.

**asiagambler** · 07-04-19, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Harden best player in league? Not a damn chance. If we did a redraft where all the players got put in the middle and they took whomever they wanted There no GM in the league that would start by picking harden. Guy is a regular season stat padding warrior who’s efficiency numbers get a huge boost from all the garbage fouls he draws by flopping the whole stinking game!

There's at least one GM (Morey) who would pick him first

But garbage fouls are part of the game so you can't really hate him for exploiting it. Not the most aesthetically pleasing player but you can't say he's not at least one of the best players.

**Bluehorseshoe** · 07-04-19, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

I think he signs with the Lakers. Kawhi probably wasn't happy about the leaks before he even met with Raptors but I think in the end, he will relent to Uncle Dennis and choose what's best for his brand. The leak to Jalen Rose may even have been calculated to quash all the Lakers rumours and out of respect to Toronto because it seemed like he made a decision already.

I don't get why he cares about the leaks.

This whole situation is bizarre if you ask me.

**asiagambler** · 07-04-19, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe

I don't get why he cares about the leaks.

This whole situation is bizarre if you ask me.

He's a bizarre guy! The whole story about Kawhi "testing" teams for leaks is definitely a bit out there. But with respect to having already made a decision before meeting with Toronto, I can see why he'd be upset since it looks disrespectful to Masai et al.

**kingdom** · 07-04-19, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

Well, Jordan’s own words was he wanted to beat the best. He would never consider wanting to join forces with Bird or Magic. Lebron is more of a “I want to join the best.” So yes, Jordan was definitely more of a competitor. Lebron has incredible skills, but has a tendency to isolate himself more and whine over the little things. Some of his on court outbursts and his frustrations with the team last year attest to that.

A simple fact people don't see is Lebron was drafted by the Cleveland Cavaliers. They as a management team and staff had no idea of how to win and zero reputation of building a winner. On the other hand jordan had quietly the best gm in basketball at the time. He constantly gave mj every piece he needed. Cleveland proved themselves uncapable of that. Check the rosters lebron carried for further proof. He gave them 7 years to prove otherwise.

The dwade led heat team before lebron had lost last 3 playoff series in the first round. lebron wade and melo were all fa same year. lebron wanted out of cleveland because of gilbert so why not play with wade and the heat? no one on heat roster even avg 15 pts besides dwade. fa gives players a chance to supersede mgmt flaws. Both players wanted to win a chip and best friends so why not work together? Lebron is neo in the matrix when it comes to the nba and that is somehow a bad thing lol. but if pat riley single handedly put the team together it's an amazing accomplishment lol. Lebron is best of both worlds. player and team builder.

As far as jordan he would get outrageous on court at times screaming in refs face to draymond green levels and would not get a tech as he ran the league. when you retire people forget all the bad things and assume he never complained. He forced Isaiah off the dream team because he didn't like him. how's that for primadona?

**kingdom** · 07-04-19, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

He's a bizarre guy! The whole story about Kawhi "testing" teams for leaks is definitely a bit out there. But with respect to having already made a decision before meeting with Toronto, I can see why he'd be upset since it looks disrespectful to Masai et al.

the biggest offense to him in his career is the way spurs bad mouthed him. now he is hypersensitive to how organizations run and how info is distributed. He trusts masaii and wants to see if he can put that same trust in other teams outside of toronto.

**Cuse0323** · 07-04-19, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Has he signed with the clippers or Lakers?

All that matters is that he will. Keep on dreaming though. I heard he wore purple today, it must be Toronto. Oh wait, that’s LA too. Shit, which way did his piss blow in the wind? Him not going home to stay in Toronto...

**asiagambler** · 07-04-19, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by kingdom

the biggest offense to him in his career is the way spurs bad mouthed him. now he is hypersensitive to how organizations run and how info is distributed. He trusts masaii and wants to see if he can put that same trust in other teams outside of toronto.

That is a good point and he does seem to have a strong connection to Masai. If Kawhi stays, it will be because of him.

**JIBBBY** · 07-04-19, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Bullshit. The raptors beat the best team in the league in the conference finals and beat a solid Philly team. Houston would have lost easily to Toronto.

I don't think so LB. Rockets thumped the Raptors twice in the regular season.. Would have been the same story in the Finals if that match up happened.. https://www.google.com/search?client...+season+series

**kingdom** · 07-04-19, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I don't think so LB. Rockets thumped the Raptors twice in the regular season.. Would have been the same story in the Finals if that match up happened.. https://www.google.com/search?client...+season+series

rockets have been a good regular season team for awhile now. that one man style doesn't work against quality teams. if one guy is your offense in regular season, and then in playoffs good teams focus on defending that one guy, makes it hard to win with that style. until harden becomes a team player,, nothing will change. and his idea of a team player was blaming cp3 for the series loss.

**thomorino** · 07-04-19, 02:00 PM

Houston is a joke. Paul is going to be 35 and Harden never shows up in big moments in the playoffs, Toronto would have beaten them, the regular season means nothing and the Toronto team Houston beat was nothing close what the Raptors were in the playoffs, Gasol wasn't traded for until mid-season and Kawhi missed 20 games, he didn't peak until the playoffs.

More reports are out that Toronto's presentation to Kawhi was very strong.

**homie1975** · 07-04-19, 02:45 PM

Per his confidant cris Carter the announcement will be tomorrow

**jjgold** · 07-04-19, 03:05 PM

I’m betting Toronto

**homie1975** · 07-04-19, 03:11 PM

He is a strange cat and might still choose the clippers just to shock everyone

**homie1975** · 07-04-19, 03:19 PM

Either Broussard or jalen will have egg all over their faces

**asiagambler** · 07-04-19, 03:21 PM

If the report is true that he's signing a max deal, then that has to favour the Lakers. Can't see him wanting to stay in Toronto for 5 years over his hometown.

**2daBank** · 07-04-19, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by asiagambler

If the report is true that he's signing a max deal, then that has to favour the Lakers. Can't see him wanting to stay in Toronto for 5 years over his hometown.

Def makes sense, really don’t get why he would do that tho? Wouldn’t it be much smarter to sign for 2 years then go for max after 10 years of service? Unless maybe he worried his body gonna break down.

**IBetYou** · 07-04-19, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by homie1975

Either Broussard or jalen will have egg all over their faces

If Rose says it's Toronto, it's Toronto. Going to be a great finals ***Leonard vs James*** next year, with all this as part of the narrative.

**jjgold** · 07-04-19, 03:37 PM

All reports Toronto

**thomorino** · 07-04-19, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by homie1975

Either Broussard or jalen will have egg all over their faces

They are both clowns but Rose has connections to Toronto from playing there so I have to think his comments carry more weight.