NFL Onside Kick replace with 4th & 15

[Enkhbat]

you gotta be kidding me

[LT Profits]

If the NBA could borrow from ABA (3-point shot), why can't NFL borrow from AAF?

[ThaTopMoron]

One of the rule changes would change an onside kick to a 4th and 15. According to reports, New York Giants owner John Mara said he was the only member of the committee opposed to the proposal. The new rule would give teams the option to not kick off after scoring in the fourth quarter.

https://www.insidethe49.com/news/4th-and-15-onside-kick-rule-might-pass/

If this change is made, it's not even football anymore.

all because they changed the kickoff rules and it killed the onside kick...

the surprise onside kick is one of the major factors in the Saints having their one title... gave them instant second half momentum when they turned it into 7 and first lead

depends on the QB teams have as well since very good QBs gives teams an even better chance to convert these attempts in the 4th q...

[ThaTopMoron]

you guys are so ancient, let the game get better, onside kick is fricken stupid, shit changes they wear helmets now, and now you cant touch the QB and everything is reviewed (half the game is a bud light commercial cause they are reviewing. I still love football and will watch it for a long time coming. Rules change, its OK with me! I hope they do something cause onside kicks are currently stupid. I also thought the AAF overtime crap last night was BS, 1st and goal one shot each side, that is dumb. I wish the NFL did something close to thecollege rule of get the ball at the 20 and each team gets two possessions and whatever they score in those 2 possessions is the final score. there is no doubt of who should have won with 2 possessions at the 20 added to each team. you can argue that some teams are better from the 20 and others are better at defense if given more field to defend, yeah sure whatever but it would be fun.

the current onside rule is horrible, teams that are down by 2 scores with 2 minutes left and no timeouts, they know they are fukked but if they thought they could get a 4 and 18 or something crazy if they score quick, now that would change the game for real and make those crappy last 2 or 3 minutes of big leads interesting ESPECIALLY for bettors!

you should have next to no chance to winning if you are down 14 real late in an NFL game... teams beat each other up for 3.5 quarters and now you want all that effort to go out the door and the team that wasn't prepared/played poorly/turned the ball over to just make up for it in the 4th q by completing a few 16 yard passes when the league is a passing league?

f that... you play poorly you lose most of the time unless the refs suck your team off aka patriots

[7deuceoff$uit]

If the NBA could borrow from ABA (3-point shot), why can't NFL borrow from AAF?

The NFL already took the 2 pt conversion from the USFL. They've already used their lifeline.

[danshan11]

you should have next to no chance to winning if you are down 14 real late in an NFL game... teams beat each other up for 3.5 quarters and now you want all that effort to go out the door and the team that wasn't prepared/played poorly/turned the ball over to just make up for it in the 4th q by completing a few 16 yard passes when the league is a passing league?

f that... you play poorly you lose most of the time unless the refs suck your team off aka patriots

I care less about competitiveness in the pure sense. I am talking bettor entertainment value. you got to order 1 more beer at least cause it aint over till its over with that 4 and 12 or whatever it is. especially against a spread.

[LT Profits]

The NFL already took the 2 pt conversion from the USFL. They've already used their lifeline.

That's fair.

[krk1030]

LOL

They will rig games so.easily now.

[fried cheese]

football is already ruined. just a bunch of soft players that arent allowed to hit each other with pass interference determining who wins. if it were up to me i would just take away most personal foul penalties and pass interference. they only need to change onside kicks because they ruined kickoffs with their new rules.

[fakefakefake]

IMO these changes are solely made to further control the game more and more by the NFL it's no coincidence sports betting is legal now most places if not already will be by next year it's away for the NFL to control the outcomes even more than they do now.Oh and btw i no most of you don't no this BUT the NFL and Goddle can control how the refs call the games and that is considered ok it's considered "entertainment" key word.

Notice how last year the Browns won there first game of the year and Bud Light sponsored Thursday night football they already had fridges full of Bud Light put in bars in the Cleveland area prior to the game and they come back and win you think that is just by chance? LOL oh follow that up the next week watch the end of the Raiders vs Browns game were Cleveland CLEARLYYY gets the first down to seal the game and they review it and not 1 view showed him short it actually shows him clearly past they ruled him short of the first????? Cmon people wake up stats mean only i tiny amount everyone has them dig deeper.

[thechaoz]

The rule changes to kickoffs already ruined the onside. This is better than that. But if given all options just move to the old kickoff rules for onsides

This. Made them virtually impossible

[Frank Mills]

IDK that shit sounds kind of interesting right there.

What they need to do is figure out some kind of rule or addendum to the pass interference rule.

[thechaoz]

Just bring back the old onside kick rules and there you have it

[fakefakefake]

IDK that shit sounds kind of interesting right there.

What they need to do is figure out some kind of rule or addendum to the pass interference rule.

Notice NFL don't wanna change the rule where if clearly there is a penalty you can challenge it even after the Saints getting screwed why? Because that's how they control certain games outcomes by "judgement" calls they will never change that rule never ever because that's one of NFL's hidden secrets.

[Cuse0323]

Just bring back the old onside kick rules and there you have it

This is what they should do, but won’t. Safety and all that nonsense. Should be able to light up the receiving team to have a shot at it. Now it’s impossible unless you’re kicking it at some bum like Bostick from the Packers.

[eaglesfan371]

you guys are so ancient, let the game get better, onside kick is fricken stupid, shit changes they wear helmets now, and now you cant touch the QB and everything is reviewed (half the game is a bud light commercial cause they are reviewing. I still love football and will watch it for a long time coming. Rules change, its OK with me! I hope they do something cause onside kicks are currently stupid. I also thought the AAF overtime crap last night was BS, 1st and goal one shot each side, that is dumb. I wish the NFL did something close to thecollege rule of get the ball at the 20 and each team gets two possessions and whatever they score in those 2 possessions is the final score. there is no doubt of who should have won with 2 possessions at the 20 added to each team. you can argue that some teams are better from the 20 and others are better at defense if given more field to defend, yeah sure whatever but it would be fun.

the current onside rule is horrible, teams that are down by 2 scores with 2 minutes left and no timeouts, they know they are fukked but if they thought they could get a 4 and 18 or something crazy if they score quick, now that would change the game for real and make those crappy last 2 or 3 minutes of big leads interesting ESPECIALLY for bettors!

Your stance surprises me. This rule change would create higher variances and thus more inconsistent results in +EV wagers. If your betting for a living you would rather have an edge in a lower variance game than the same edge in a higher variance game. With NFL being so few games, this makes it harder to show consistent +EV results in NFL if you claim to have an edge.

I think they should make NFL have more games in the regular season. It really shocks me they have not done so. It would be the greatest way to increase $$$ for the league. NFL is basically around 1/3 of the year whereas the other main sports are 2/3.

[rm18]

Chiefs will just go for the 4th and 15 vs the Raiders at the beginning of the game

[LT Profits]

Chiefs will just go for the 4th and 15 vs the Raiders at the beginning of the game

Time of Possession:
Chiefs 60:00
Raiders 0:00

[cincinnatikid513]

they gotta do something


Kicking teams have recovered three of 34 onside attempts this season, an 8 percent success rate that pales in comparison to last year's 23 percent

[danshan11]

Your stance surprises me. This rule change would create higher variances and thus more inconsistent results in +EV wagers. If your betting for a living you would rather have an edge in a lower variance game than the same edge in a higher variance game. With NFL being so few games, this makes it harder to show consistent +EV results in NFL if you claim to have an edge.

I think they should make NFL have more games in the regular season. It really shocks me they have not done so. It would be the greatest way to increase $$$ for the league. NFL is basically around 1/3 of the year whereas the other main sports are 2/3.

if you want to talk about +EV, the NFL is the wrong place to go! The NFL is the sharpest and has the most accurate lines with the absolute smallest movements if you remove injuries, NFL lines do not move enough to +EV without injury moves. I think of the NFL as a recreational bettor's sport. I know some people say they beat the NFL but the numbers suggest that is very very difficult.

[Snowball]

they gotta do something


Kicking teams have recovered three of 34 onside attempts this season, an 8 percent success rate that pales in comparison to last year's 23 percent

There are ways to fix it but that takes creativity which they do not possess. Right at this moment I can think of something. The Onside Kick is essentially a trick play. Rules of change in possession after a score shouldnever be violated. Their idea violates this cardinal law of football. You score, you don't get the ball again unless you TAKE IT BACK. You don't introduce a "scrimmage play" into a real game.

Solution: 1) Kicking team can opt to PUNT instead of Kickoff. The punter can kick as high as he wants to increase chances of his team being in place to catch/recover the ball. There would be no "onside" character to this, both sides to the ball would line up. No fair catch call from defense. Kicking team can run to the ball and game on knowing where their punter is aiming for. Normal penalties apply, for example interference and UR.

[danshan11]

a high punt where everyone crushes each other, come on dude you cannot even make contact in the NFL, get real!

hey Snowball you ever heard of a personal foul in basketball to stop the clock and get possession

[BigdaddyQH]

You guys are really stupid. NO ONE, especially the NFL, gives a crap about what you think. The fact is that the vast majority of you are going to do the same thing you always do. That is watch the games, wager on the games, lose when (not if) you lose which is about 70% of the time, cry about your losses (which you do all of the time) and post ridiculous crap like you are posting. You have absolutely NO say in the changes so stop your incessant bitching and grow the f**k up losers.

[trytrytry]

Vikings will never return a kickoff again

this seems really funny but I cant figure out why why why

[2daBank]

You guys are really stupid. NO ONE, especially the NFL, gives a crap about what you think. The fact is that the vast majority of you are going to do the same thing you always do. That is watch the games, wager on the games, lose when (not if) you lose which is about 70% of the time, cry about your losses (which you do all of the time) and post ridiculous crap like you are posting. You have absolutely NO say in the changes so stop your incessant bitching and grow the f**k up losers.

Could you possibly be a bigger douche bag?

[cincinnatikid513]

Could you possibly be a bigger douche bag?

so angry that guy

[DiggityDaggityDo]

The rule change got rejected by owners.

Not enough votes.

Carry on.

[2daBank]

you guys are so ancient, let the game get better, onside kick is fricken stupid, shit changes they wear helmets now, and now you cant touch the QB and everything is reviewed (half the game is a bud light commercial cause they are reviewing. I still love football and will watch it for a long time coming. Rules change, its OK with me! I hope they do something cause onside kicks are currently stupid. I also thought the AAF overtime crap last night was BS, 1st and goal one shot each side, that is dumb. I wish the NFL did something close to thecollege rule of get the ball at the 20 and each team gets two possessions and whatever they score in those 2 possessions is the final score. there is no doubt of who should have won with 2 possessions at the 20 added to each team. you can argue that some teams are better from the 20 and others are better at defense if given more field to defend, yeah sure whatever but it would be fun.

the current onside rule is horrible, teams that are down by 2 scores with 2 minutes left and no timeouts, they know they are fukked but if they thought they could get a 4 and 18 or something crazy if they score quick, now that would change the game for real and make those crappy last 2 or 3 minutes of big leads interesting ESPECIALLY for bettors!

They are not improving the game, they have made it progressively worse the last decade. The only good change they have made was to the catch rule. I’ve watched less and less and the changes they making this offseason, namely this and the incredibly stupid idea to challenge pass interference will have me watching even less. I know they don’t care cause plenty of morons seem to love the idea of every game being 40-35 and increasingly decided by the refs. So whatever, they can have it. They should change the name tho cause this ain’t football, if you down 2-3 scores w a couple minutes left the game should be over, making it easier for losers to come back is ignorant,

[danshan11]

it was not football anymore once they added shoulder pads and helmets and then it wasnt football when "" and it was not football when "", the list goes on and on. I am just sick of the 2hrs 30 minutes of budlight commercials and 30 minutes of football. for god sake if you are going to change anything, have some sort of same commercial count limit per game!

[Snowball]

safe ... for another year...

[TheMoneyShot]

Could you possibly be a bigger douche bag?

He has the funniest posts.

[big joe 1212]

The threat of Pass interference penalty would make this more tempting to go for it

[Art Vandelay]

Same rule as AAF?

AAF has 4th and 12 from their own 28.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

It's like having no shot clock in basketball; it does nothing but reward the inferior team. Absolute crap.

[2daBank]

It's like having no shot clock in basketball; it does nothing but reward the inferior team. Absolute crap.

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