Kirk Cousins

[flakeandbake]

the nfc isn't loaded with clear cut contenders like the pats and steelers usually are

Yes usually. But I actually think that for the first time in forever - the NFC is actually stronger than the AFC this year. I can't remember thinking that the East is stronger than the West across almost any sport when thinking about the past.

NFC:
- Rams
- Eagles
- Saints
- Packers (still believe they get 10 wins)

- Falcons
- Vikings
- Niners (Jimmy G hurt)
- Bears
- Dallas

AFC:
- Steelers
- Chiefs
- Pats (not so sure this is the Pats 1-2 start that usually ends up as 12-4)
- Ravens
- Broncos

Steelers missing Bell and we all know how Andy Reid can implode/figured out late in the season. I think he'll close strong this year though.

[stevenash]

^
Pats get Edleman back next week, that changes the whole dynamics on offense.
Brady misses Edleman big time.

Here's a stat, so far this year Brady has been off target throwing to receivers more than any other starting QB.

[Cuse0323]

What’s yppt?

[jtoler]

Yards per point I reckon

[kingdom]

Yes usually. But I actually think that for the first time in forever - the NFC is actually stronger than the AFC this year. I can't remember thinking that the East is stronger than the West across almost any sport when thinking about the past.

NFC:
- Rams
- Eagles
- Saints
- Packers (still believe they get 10 wins)

- Falcons
- Vikings
- Niners (Jimmy G hurt)
- Bears
- Dallas

AFC:
- Steelers
- Chiefs
- Pats (not so sure this is the Pats 1-2 start that usually ends up as 12-4)
- Ravens
- Broncos

Steelers missing Bell and we all know how Andy Reid can implode/figured out late in the season. I think he'll close strong this year though.

i don't mean quality teams. i mean teams that have consistent playoff success. the ravens, steelers, pats, and broncos have been crushing afc dreams for years. pretty much every team in the afc has been stopped by those 4. in the nfc a new team has a shot every year. i believe every team has been to superbowl in nfc in last 20 years except minny, detroit, dallas, and washington. and dal and was went 3 times in the 90s

[flakeandbake]

^
Pats get Edleman back next week, that changes the whole dynamics on offense.
Brady misses Edleman big time.

Here's a stat, so far this year Brady has been off target throwing to receivers more than any other starting QB.

See that's the problem. I think it will probably take everyone until week 8 to realize the Pats are not the Pats this year. I'm a huge Brady guy (Eagles fan but always been a Brady guy) and I'm not seeing it this year. I've heard the story before / seen the movie where Pats start off like shit and go straight to the AFC Championship / Super Bowl no issues. But I expected it.

I'm not expecting it this year - I'm expecting a wildcard spot at best if Pats win the division. Expecting 9 - 5 season.

[flakeandbake]

^Here's a stat, so far this year Brady has been off target throwing to receivers more than any other starting QB.

I didn't even know that but that's just supporting my point. Pats not the Pats. With or without Edelman.

I actually have a decent amount of $ on the Pats this weekend and somewhat worried - still think that at 2-2 they go around 9-5

[flakeandbake]

i don't mean quality teams. i mean teams that have consistent playoff success. the ravens, steelers, pats, and broncos have been crushing afc dreams for years. pretty much every team in the afc has been stopped by those 4. in the nfc a new team has a shot every year. i believe every team has been to superbowl in nfc in last 20 years except minny, detroit, dallas, and washington. and dal and was went 3 times in the 90s

I feel like that's more of an NFL marketing theme than anything. Football games are manipulative and those are great markets. All those AFC teams have dominated forever to point that it probable gets hard for the NFL to decide who they want to help and not to. I can't see the NFL wasting their time with another AFC team unless a team really really really shows skill.

Last year, Jags were pretty damn good but not enough viewers. I think this year maybe Chiefs win AFC and we see a change for once.. maybe

[stevenash]

I didn't even know that but that's just supporting my point. Pats not the Pats. With or without Edelman.

I actually have a decent amount of $ on the Pats this weekend and somewhat worried - still think that at 2-2 they go around 9-5

The number is 28 percent.
28 percent of Brady's tosses miss the target, tops by NFL QB's.

My wife has been a Pats fan since she was 8
No one is feeling here up here in New England.
They need a very strong game Sunday or it could be all over by week 8

[flakeandbake]

I agree

[kingdom]

i'm sorry guys. i'm a brady guy. and i'm telling you when he gets edelman and gordon on the field with gronk all this will be so forgotten. the running game will open, gronk will be impossible to double and be a monster again. not to mention everyone knows the pats in september. shocking that people can still say no, but this year is different. they are still in the same division. and they still own people in gillette. and own the afc until otherwise noted. chiefs look like september chiefs. they will have to win home field to have a chance. but will the have their typical mid season collapse to blow that? see last year for reference.

[Da Manster!]

Kingdom,
Is dat u?

[kingdom]

Kingdom,
Is dat u?

i see why you bet teasers only hommo. u don't have a clue about football. take your clown ass on somewhere. and you miss half the fuckin 30 pt teasers you play and have to make 5 and 10 unit phony bets. gtfo clown.

[kingdom]

i see why you bet teasers only hommo. u don't have a clue about football. take your clown ass on somewhere. and you miss half the fuckin 30 pt teasers you play and have to make 5 and 10 unit phony bets. gtfo clown.

lol down 35+ units on 13 pt teasers? seriously??? i see why you never bet a side. if you can't even get that right. sit your bum ass down somewhere with your 10k bets lol. fantasy island ass mfker.

[Kermit]

Case Keenum had zero turnovers to this point last year and i believe the vikes were 4-0. Cousins has 5. the difference is glaring.

Vikes were 2-2 last year at this point. Bradford played week 1 and won against the Saints. Vikes didn't start their streak until week 5. The Vikes D had given up 76 points through the first 4 games, this year they have given up 103.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Yes usually. But I actually think that for the first time in forever - the NFC is actually stronger than the AFC this year. I can't remember thinking that the East is stronger than the West across almost any sport when thinking about the past.

NFC:
- Rams
- Eagles
- Saints
- Packers (still believe they get 10 wins)

- Falcons
- Vikings
- Niners (Jimmy G hurt)
- Bears
- Dallas

AFC:
- Steelers
- Chiefs
- Pats (not so sure this is the Pats 1-2 start that usually ends up as 12-4)
- Ravens
- Broncos

Steelers missing Bell and we all know how Andy Reid can implode/figured out late in the season. I think he'll close strong this year though.

Where does Carolina figure in your NFC rankings?

[kingdom]

Vikes were 2-2 last year at this point. Bradford played week 1 and won against the Saints. Vikes didn't start their streak until week 5.

i was going off memory. thought they started better than that. i just remember them winning a lot of games with keenum as starter.

[kingdom]

kermit, can you name a team that willingly gave up a franchise qb without an attempt to sign him in the history of the nfl that was in his prime? qb is the hardest position to fill. if the redskins had a premiere qb, why would they never offer him a contract?? if you can name another person that has happened to i would be amazed. peyton manning was injured and colts drafted luck as replacement and i'm sure peyton was around 38 or older. i can't think of one in the midst of his prime.

since youre here kermit?

[Kermit]

i was going off memory. thought they started better than that. i just remember them winning a lot of games with keenum as starter.

They did win a lot of games with Keenam. Their defense was also one of the best in the NFL. That obviously isn't a the "Case" this year. They also ran the ball quite well, even without Cook, so their QB wasn't expected to throw for 400 yards every game.

[Da Manster!]

lol down 35+ units on 13 pt teasers? seriously??? i see why you never bet a side. if you can't even get that right. sit your bum ass down somewhere with your 10k bets lol. fantasy island ass mfker.

you obviously didn't follow the thread..I finished 31 - 25 last year (+100 units)...go fuk yourself, asshole...I've posted many winning threads over the last 10+ years I've been on this forum in all sports...NCAA hoops and football, MLB, and NFL...and I bet real money you turkey...and if you bothered to look, I mix it up...sides, teasers, parlays, etc...yes, this year has started out rough but it's now how you start, it's how you finish...

[Kermit]

since youre here kermit?

They obviously didn't think that he was a good fit for their organization. Their entire offense was a mess last year from the start.

[kingdom]

They did win a lot of games with Keenam. Their defense was also one of the best in the NFL. That obviously isn't a the "Case" this year. They also ran the ball quite well, even without Cook, so their QB wasn't expected to throw for 400 yards every game.

the 5 to's are indisputable. no way buffalo score 27 without cousins help. last year in those spots they were giving up 14 and 17 to tb and detroit. giving up points at the rams and at gb isn't exactly shocking. they gave up 16 to sf and only 292 total yds to buffalo. cousins was the bills mvp that day. they owe him one of those andy dalton standing o;s when he comes to buffalo.

[Kermit]

the 5 to's are indisputable. no way buffalo score 27 without cousins help. last year in those spots they were giving up 14 and 17 to tb and detroit. giving up points at the rams and at gb isn't exactly shocking. they gave up 16 to sf and only 292 total yds to buffalo. cousins was the bills mvp that day. they owe him one of those andy dalton standing o;s when he comes to buffalo.

That Bills game was a bad one. The Vike's O-line wasn't exactly playing well that day either which led to Cousins constantly getting pressured and sacked 4 times which led to 2 fumbles.

[kingdom]

That Bills game was a bad one. The Vike's O-line wasn't exactly playing well that day either which led to Cousins constantly getting pressured and sacked 4 times which led to 2 fumbles.

but even a college freshman would attempt to protect the football. a major knock on cousins is his propensity to turn the ball over. if we know that, i'm damn sure he does too. it's like a rb with a fumbling rep. u do things to correct. aikman as well as others today say his lack of stepping up in the pocket when the rush is coming leads to all those fumbles. and after those two that lost the game to buffalo, gotta think he wont do it again the next week in a tight game? of course he goes full kirk cousins. and this is your king?

[stevenash]

^
Good point, all the great QB's stepped up in the pocket.

[Kermit]

but even a college freshman would attempt to protect the football. a major knock on cousins is his propensity to turn the ball over. if we know that, i'm damn sure he does too. it's like a rb with a fumbling rep. u do things to correct. aikman as well as others today say his lack of stepping up in the pocket when the rush is coming leads to all those fumbles. and after those two that lost the game to buffalo, gotta think he wont do it again the next week in a tight game? of course he goes full kirk cousins. and this is your king?

I don't think that there are many QBs in the league right now that could have hung in that game as well as he did. Rams had only given up 36 points through 3 games and the Vikes scored 31. I guess we'll see how the "Elite" guys do against them in the coming weeks.

[kingdom]

I don't think that there are many QBs in the league right now that could have hung in that game as well as he did. Rams had only given up 36 points through 3 games and the Vikes scored 31. I guess we'll see how the "Elite" guys do against them in the coming weeks.

i unfortunately watched that bills game and saw how awful the plays were and the obvious lack of awareness. we will disagree on cousins. the true tell will be in january if he is even in the playoffs. there is a lot of romo in him. i do not lie when i say i trust mitch trubisky more with the bears to win more games than cousins.

[flakeandbake]

i'm sorry guys. i'm a brady guy. and i'm telling you when he gets edelman and gordon on the field with gronk all this will be so forgotten. the running game will open, gronk will be impossible to double and be a monster again. not to mention everyone knows the pats in september. shocking that people can still say no, but this year is different. they are still in the same division. and they still own people in gillette. and own the afc until otherwise noted. chiefs look like september chiefs. they will have to win home field to have a chance. but will the have their typical mid season collapse to blow that? see last year for reference.

Agree with this theory except 2 things..
1) Wtf is up with Brady?
2) Why does Bill look like he doesn't give 2 fuxks? (it's weirding me out)

[flakeandbake]

Where does Carolina figure in your NFC rankings?

NFC:
- Rams
- Eagles
- Saints
- Packers (still believe they get 10 wins)
- Carolina

- Falcons
- Vikings
- Bears
- Dallas
- Niners (Jimmy G hurt or would rank at 5-7)

AFC:
- Steelers (Bell has been a distraction - needs to come back / new contract / traded)
- Chiefs
-Bengals

- Pats (not so sure this is the Pats 1-2 start that usually ends up as 12-4)
- Ravens
- Broncos

- Dolphins
- Jags
- Colts
-Chargers
-Browns


I forgot about Carolina and some others. Panthers look like they want to be in the playoffs this year. I don't really track ranking but gun to head Week 4 - these are my order

[kingdom]

Agree with this theory except 2 things..
1) Wtf is up with Brady?
2) Why does Bill look like he doesn't give 2 fuxks? (it's weirding me out)

Brady is more than fine. 3 consecutive home games coming up against afc opponents who he is like 55-2 against at home since 07. gets edelman and gordon next week. can't understand people don't see how sick it is going from 1 weapon to 3. no double teams. james white and michel will be open out of the back field all day. lb will be afraid to play run and it will improve immensely.
as for bill, he has the ultimate poker face. he is just as competitive as brady. miami in deep trouble. they have lost their last 6 in ne by 120 combined lol. pats are fine. its just september.

[Kermit]

i unfortunately watched that bills game and saw how awful the plays were and the obvious lack of awareness. we will disagree on cousins. the true tell will be in january if he is even in the playoffs. there is a lot of romo in him. i do not lie when i say i trust mitch trubisky more with the bears to win more games than cousins.

If Mitch wins them, it won't be because of his play. Their defense has really improved, not to mention they now have Mack.

A lot of the problem with the Vikings this year is their non-existent running game.

For Christ's sake, in the Rams game, Cousins not only had to pass for well over 400 yards, but was also the leading rusher.

Think about that.

[Kermit]

And as far as the "Elite" guys go, let's not forget about this at the most critical moment of the game.

Big stats, almost 500 yards, 3 TDs and then......

It doesn't matter how well you play all season, if you do this in the biggest game when it matter the most, everything that you have done prior to that point doesn't matter.

[kingdom]

And as far as the "Elite" guys go, let's not forget about this at the most critical moment of the game.

Big stats, almost 500 yards, 3 TDs and then......

It doesn't matter how well you play all season, if you do this in the biggest game when it matter the most, everything that you have done prior to that point doesn't matter.

something about winning 5 super bowls makes that the last thing i think about brady. i had really forgot already. he's got lots of credit stored up with his resume. cousins resume made the redskins pass on him. i don't think you understand how uncommon that is. and bring in alex smith no doubt. nothing says we are sick of turnovers like bringing in alex smith.

[kingdom]

If Mitch wins them, it won't be because of his play. Their defense has really improved, not to mention they now have Mack.

A lot of the problem with the Vikings this year is their non-existent running game.

For Christ's sake, in the Rams game, Cousins not only had to pass for well over 400 yards, but was also the leading rusher.

Think about that.

he is a notoriously slow starter. the vikes had 17 total carries thursday. gurley had that alone. in the bills, gb, and this game the team was in a hole. and i blame the oc as well. teams with qb's like this get enamored and just let him pass the ball almost 50 times in multiple games. minnesota used to have balance. now they are being similar to the steelers slinging it around because they have thielen and diggs. a strong running game helps any defense and t.o.p. is not shocking he is their leading rusher when he keeps them in a hole and they can't run the ball.

[flakeandbake]

If Mitch wins them, it won't be because of his play. Their defense has really improved, not to mention they now have Mack.

A lot of the problem with the Vikings this year is their non-existent running game.

For Christ's sake, in the Rams game, Cousins not only had to pass for well over 400 yards, but was also the leading rusher.

Think about that.

I expected the Vikings to be like this though. Originally had them at 6, but now 7. Either way