Kirk Cousins

[jtoler]

I think jury is still out for any qb as far as being elite until you prove yourself in the playoffs. Until then you're just a good regular season qb. For years romo and Ryan fooled me doing great in reg season then spunked out in 1st rounds. I still consider Ryan good not great. There's some guys who are good until pressure situations late in games. Cousins has to make playoffs and Excel to be considered in that next group otherwise he'll be considered good but not elite.

[Da Manster!]

I think jury is still out for any qb as far as being elite until you prove yourself in the playoffs. Until then you're just a good regular season qb. For years romo and Ryan fooled me doing great in reg season then spunked out in 1st rounds. I still consider Ryan good not great. There's some guys who are good until pressure situations late in games. Cousins has to make playoffs and Excel to be considered in that next group otherwise he'll be considered good but not elite.

fair enough...good post, jtoler...I can accept that.......however, for some people and/or posters to bash the guy and say he sucks when he played lights out and had a great game against of the best defenses in the entire league is just downright foolish and stupid...36 out of 50, 422 yds, 3 TD's, no INTs and a QB rating of 117.2!...

[Demonata]

fair enough...good post, jtoler...I can accept that.......however, for some people and/or posters to bash the guy and say he sucks when he played lights out and had a great game against of the best defenses in the entire league is just downright foolish and stupid...36 out of 50, 422 yds, 3 TD's, no INTs and a QB rating of 117.2!...

He does suck. He gets a turnover every 4th quarter. He he does well with the game on the line. Also he never does anything in the playoffs. Every about has a good game. How did he play against buffalo?exactly. He's a bum and will always be a bum and if aquib talib played he would have thrown a pick or 2.

[MinnesotaFats]

Romo won 70% of his starts

Stafford has won 7 games minimum in all but one season as ft starter

Cousins the same

These are 3 QBs I'd rather have than Wentz, Goff or Mayfield

Just where teams choose to out their money

[JIBBBY]

Romo won 70% of his starts

Stafford has won 7 games minimum in all but one season as ft starter

Cousins the same

These are 3 QBs I'd rather have than Wentz, Goff or Mayfield

Just where teams choose to out their money

I'd take Goff over all those QB's that you mentioned.. Goff is young and has the biggest upside.. It will show this season and already is.. He'll be a hell of QB if he stays healthy in time...

Goff sees the field very well and can deliver the ball accurately.. He's got all the makings of a Troy Aikman clone with slightly more mobility IMO....

[johnnyvegas13]

Cousins did his job

Viking d was lost

[jtoler]

People were calling goff garbage and a bust two years ago short memories

[kingdom]

You shouldn't of posted that at all since it has no bearing when not all have played. Posting useful information is not your strong suit.

[kingdom]

I think jury is still out for any qb as far as being elite until you prove yourself in the playoffs. Until then you're just a good regular season qb. For years romo and Ryan fooled me doing great in reg season then spunked out in 1st rounds. I still consider Ryan good not great. There's some guys who are good until pressure situations late in games. Cousins has to make playoffs and Excel to be considered in that next group otherwise he'll be considered good but not elite.

he's 30 toler. that moment isn't coming. especially this year when he isn't even going to make playoffs inheriting a team that was in the nfc championship. he's like pouring a cup of alcohol in a good cup of milk. turns to shit.

[kingdom]

Romo won 70% of his starts

Stafford has won 7 games minimum in all but one season as ft starter

Cousins the same

These are 3 QBs I'd rather have than Wentz, Goff or Mayfield

Just where teams choose to out their money

lol wentz and goff are gonna run this league. the two best young qb's. and mayfield at least has the guts to possible be a winner. not taking cousins over any of those. 7 games minimum? you are easily impressed. how did romo do with the division on the line? or in a playoff game? he couldn't even help them win when he was the holder on a fg for christs sake. he makes up ways to lose.

[packerd_00]

Deshaun Watson has potential,still has plenty of time to make his mark.

[inspektr]

Kirk Cousins is plain and basic and boring like water with no style or swag. He's a plain jane, never liked him.

[Demonata]

I think Jake Browning could be a good qb too once he gets in the league.

[maggiethebestdog]

Romo won 70% of his starts

Stafford has won 7 games minimum in all but one season as ft starter

Cousins the same

These are 3 QBs I'd rather have than Wentz, Goff or Mayfield

Just where teams choose to out their money

So you would take long term slightly above average results with no playoff success over 2 second year guys who look awesome and a rookie who has potential???

Really???

Sorry, Goff and Wentz 3rd year

[The Giant]

Romo won 70% of his starts

Stafford has won 7 games minimum in all but one season as ft starter

Cousins the same

These are 3 QBs I'd rather have than Wentz, Goff or Mayfield

Just where teams choose to out their money

This is pure crazy talk.

[stevenash]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Rosen performs Sunday.
Kirk Cousin's is Mike Mussina's nephew.

[maggiethebestdog]

People were calling goff garbage and a bust two years ago short memories

Goff had to play for Jeff Fisher his first 2 years, the most conservative offensive coach in modern day history
As soon as Fisher leaves he is possibly the best QB in the league
Do the math

[The Giant]

Goff had to play for Jeff Fisher his first 2 years, the most conservative offensive coach in modern day history
As soon as Fisher leaves he is possibly the best QB in the league
Do the math

Only one season with Fisher.

It felt like two seasons though.

[maggiethebestdog]

Only one season with Fisher.

It felt like two seasons though.

Lol
My bad
Im sure it felt like 100 yrs

[maggiethebestdog]

lol wentz and goff are gonna run this league. the two best young qb's. and mayfield at least has the guts to possible be a winner. not taking cousins over any of those. 7 games minimum? you are easily impressed. how did romo do with the division on the line? or in a playoff game? he couldn't even help them win when he was the holder on a fg for christs sake. he makes up ways to lose.

I guess we agree on some things, although I am baffled on why this is debatable

[kingdom]

I guess we agree on some things, although I am baffled on why this is debatable

because in this generation stats are an illusion. and easy to accumulate under these league rules. high t/o qb's are not good for your team. it is one of the most obvious yet ignored stats.

[kingdom]

Case Keenum had zero turnovers to this point last year and i believe the vikes were 4-0. Cousins has 5. the difference is glaring.

[maggiethebestdog]

because in this generation stats are an illusion. and easy to accumulate under these league rules. high t/o qb's are not good for your team. it is one of the most obvious yet ignored stats.

I said that about Stafford since day 1 and people still argue it
I dont think I could be more vindicated in an opinion

[flakeandbake]

some guys are just stat monsters and not winners. matt stafford, tony romo, and add kirk cousins. just aren't winners. in big moments and big games in general. romo it was the pick 6 in the 4th quarter. stafford usually down and putting up crazy stats in comeback attempts. cousins 1-2-1 with 3 huge fumbles. sometimes you don't get what you pay for. alex smith should be a minnesota viking right now.

1000% and the same goes for the coaching staff in my opinion: both Mike Zimmer and Jasson Garrett are massive chokes in the playoffs and have never risen up against the occasion.

There's no argument in this - just look at what Doug Peterson and Nick Foles did last year vs how Vikings and Cowboys have performed during seasons of going 12-4 and getting a 1st round bye. Just like @Kingdom said, Kirk Cousins will never rise up

[flakeandbake]

I have question though - Is it possible that the Rams fit into this conversation?

There's no way of knowing yet but last year they were incredible during the regular season and absolutely disappeared in the playoffs at home vs Falcons. I mean how is that even possible

[kingdom]

I have question though - Is it possible that the Rams fit into this conversation?

There's no way of knowing yet but last year they were incredible during the regular season and absolutely disappeared in the playoffs at home vs Falcons. I mean how is that even possible

rams didn't know how to win. even the coach was only 34. but i think that experience gave them a sense of hunger. the nfc isn't loaded with clear cut contenders like the pats and steelers usually are in the afc. seems like in nfc someone different has a chance each year. eli, cam, rodgers, wilson, brees, kaep, ryan, foles. that is 8 qb's. everybody gets a chance. brady been 8 times individually. sick.

[stevenash]

People were calling goff garbage and a bust two years ago short memories

I said two years ago he'll be a quality NFL QB and I got laughed at right out of the room.

[maggiethebestdog]

I really like what the Rams are doing but more of how they are doing it
No head cases, other than Suh, and very unselfish

I think Goff and Gurley are as good as any 2 young players the league has had in some time
Both class acts

[packerd_00]

I said that about Stafford since day 1 and people still argue it
I dont think I could be more vindicated in an opinion

Stafford has had plenty of chances to make his mark,and he hasnt done it.Will never forget how much he bombed in 2013,could have won that division if hed just taken care of his business,Rodgers was out for a good chunk of the year,he had Megatron,and still managed to lose 6 of his last 7.

Guy is a pure fraud.

[Grits n' Gravy]

I said two years ago he'll be a quality NFL QB and I got laughed at right out of the room.

I thought he would be trash. He was nothing special at Cal and in a horrible spot to develop with Fisher running the show.

Still not sold on him being great. Offense is designed around Gurley and play action. McVay knows Goff's limitations and puts him in great situations. Very rarely do they have 3rd and longs.

Cousins played well last night but he will never win when it counts.

[maggiethebestdog]

I thought he would be trash. He was nothing special at Cal and in a horrible spot to develop with Fisher running the show.

Still not sold on him being great. Offense is designed around Gurley and play action. McVay knows Goff's limitations and puts him in great situations. Very rarely do they have 3rd and longs.

Cousins played well last night but he will never win when it counts.

I think McVay is an offensive players dream
Look at what his WR group is doing after coming from other situations
Gurley is awesome as is the O line

That being said, under McVay, Goff has 39 TD versus 9 INT
That is impressive no matter what situation your team puts you in

He is mobile, looks off defenders, knows where to throw to and when, has great touch and can throw the long ball
And he is humble and unselfish

[stevenash]

I thought he would be trash. He was nothing special at Cal and in a horrible spot to develop with Fisher running the show.

Still not sold on him being great. Offense is designed around Gurley and play action. McVay knows Goff's limitations and puts him in great situations. Very rarely do they have 3rd and longs.

Cousins played well last night but he will never win when it counts.

Tom Brady's senior year at Michigan was nothing great, he was solid, but based on what he did at Michigan you wouldn't think he'd be in the GOAT conversation.
1999 the NCAA buzz was Chad Pennington and Michael Vick
Brady also benefits from being in the Patriot 'system'
Brady also is rarely in third and long, now I'm not comparing Goff to Brady, let's see Goff play 16 more years first.

[flakeandbake]

No doubt McVay is a freak of nature. Reminds me so much of the Bellichick, McDaniels and Brady system all under one man. The way he picked apart the Vikings defense 1st half running the same exact play action TE drag over and over again was classic. So much like Bellichich and super young and confident. Can't wait to see how Rams respond in the playoffs because I wouldn't expect another choke from them but time will tell

[kingdom]

Tom Brady's senior year at Michigan was nothing great, he was solid, but based on what he did at Michigan you wouldn't think he'd be in the GOAT conversation.
1999 the NCAA buzz was Chad Pennington and Michael Vick
Brady also benefits from being in the Patriot 'system'
Brady also is rarely in third and long, now I'm not comparing Goff to Brady, let's see Goff play 16 more years first.

Chad Pennington was throwing to randy moss in div I-AA. it was comical seeing 5'8 dbacks trying to chase down 6'4 randy moss. double coverage every play and it just didn't matter. think he had 5td catches in championship game. "throw it up dog". td.

[jtoler]

Tom Brady's senior year at Michigan was nothing great, he was solid, but based on what he did at Michigan you wouldn't think he'd be in the GOAT conversation.
1999 the NCAA buzz was Chad Pennington and Michael Vick
Brady also benefits from being in the Patriot 'system'
Brady also is rarely in third and long, now I'm not comparing Goff to Brady, let's see Goff play 16 more years first.

I remember looking at Brady film some years ago on YouTube at Michigan he looked darn good to me. Maybe Michigan was too balanced or ran more than pass and maybe that's why he didn't have gaudy td numbers and why he was chosen late