BET365 live betting scam

[Teddy_KGB]

" just open another account and stop about it"

You will not believe it, but yesterday I did it. Five minutes later, my stakes were cut to 1%.

""the British bookies are the most reputible around"

Yes, about the limiting

It's obviously that you are not winner, if you were a winner, you would not write bullshit.

"People on here who actually manage a bankroll and "win" know i am right "

I manage a bankroll and I win, but you are not right. I use only Betfair, because all european bookies are shit (they hate the winners), except Pinnacle.

[Kingfisher28]

dear oh dear - so Pinnacle just happily lay "winners" all day? Good business plan. Betfair is obviously a great site if you can access it - i would not argue any different as that is one site you are sure to be treated fairly on and never limited - however there is not always great liquidity on certain sports (sure you know what that means being the "great" bettor that you are Teddy) and often little choice of markets in play.

One more thing - "because all european bookies are shi t (they hate the winners)" - what a ludicrous thing to say!! What book in the world "likes" winners and actively encourages them?? jesus. Come on arb players! come on exchange players! come on cheats! i've just started a new book and i would hate to upset anyone. lol.

[Teddy_KGB]

Yes, Pinnacle is happy if you win. Show me at least one thread about the limiting of Pinnacle or something. You can't. But I can show you at least 100 threads about the shit things of bet $3.65.

Yes, fortunatly I can access it. Yes, Betfair will never limit me, because they have no reason to do that. That's why I've finished with the poor rubbish bookmakers, I want to earn money, and not to open new accounts on every week. I play on soccer/tennis (only in LIVE), there is always enough liquidity for me, and I don't play with 4EUR stake. (My last three months result : http://www.teddykgb.ru/betfair.png ) Which bookie would let me to win this amount?

Of course there is no bookie who likes if you win, but there are differents between the bookies. Bet $3.65 and Stanjames are the worst, just one-two winner bets, and that's it, you are limited. William Hill is very moderated (if we compare to bet $3.65), unless you don't win very much, they will not limit you.

[Kingfisher28]

you say "yes Pinnacle is happy if you win" and then later on "of course there is no bookie who likes if you win"...????

Look Teddy, i totally hear what you are saying and i do not need to check your link to know you know what you are talking about - all im saying is that you often hear one sided stories on forums and i for one am never surprised when i get cut by a traditional bookie - its all part of the "game" innit? Betfair is indee amazing for tennis IF you only like betting on the match winner market - however if you like to bet on who'll win next game, current set, next set etc etc then traditional bookies like 365 and stan james are the only option.

Also i would say that the "real" value lies with traditional bookis still especially on markets like First goalscorer where mistakes are made all the time by odds compliers - top batsmen market too and specials betting. Betfair rarely offers any real value after commission unless you bet on outsiders in horse racing or the larger priced participants in outright markets.

Just my opinion Tessy - i am not wanting to get in a slanging match with you - my original post was about the "balance" of the arguments being presented by people on here when its patently obvious there are thousands of happy customers with all bristish bookies and in my opinion they always do their best to act completely fairly - after all why would they not?? the damage to reputation if they really did con their customers would be far too bad.

[acw]

Welcome to the forum Kingfisher28!

BET365 are a top flight book in my opinion. Basically Orlipede you cheated and you know u did. You thought worst case scenario for you would be void bet - quick question for you - when you placed the bet at +4.5 HOW LONG WAS LEFT in the match? by my calculations and investigation - about 2 minutes , 3 at the most and you are trying to say you think a 9 point swing is not a palpable error! pmsl.

You are 101% correct. Bet365 is doing a brilliant job catching these guys exactly where they should: In their wallet!
Soon I will be starting my own shop and do exactly the same thing from time to time, which is for those that do not know the trick yet: Put up a bad line and if the players win, reverse it and if the players lose, just leave it. The bad guys (shot takers, scalpers, middlers, fiddlers, tiddlers) lose, the book wins and everybody that should be happy is happy! And if that were not enough:

You are absolutely right..... What i don't get is why SBR still has them as an A!!!!! bookie

Yes, even John from SBR will be my friend, as for doing this he gives books an A status!

Imagine how rich I will soon be!

[dvn]

in books like bet, bwin, expekt, very often you'll see wrong lines in live betting.
but they are not voided unless they are won, if they are lost , they remain lost

is very clever, you think you will burn the bookie but eventually the bookie will burn you

[dvn]

and i'm curious what was the final outcome of this incident?

[wack]

you say "yes Pinnacle is happy if you win" and then later on "of course there is no bookie who likes if you win"...????

Look Teddy, i totally hear what you are saying and i do not need to check your link to know you know what you are talking about - all im saying is that you often hear one sided stories on forums and i for one am never surprised when i get cut by a traditional bookie - its all part of the "game" innit? Betfair is indee amazing for tennis IF you only like betting on the match winner market - however if you like to bet on who'll win next game, current set, next set etc etc then traditional bookies like 365 and stan james are the only option.

Also i would say that the "real" value lies with traditional bookis still especially on markets like First goalscorer where mistakes are made all the time by odds compliers - top batsmen market too and specials betting. Betfair rarely offers any real value after commission unless you bet on outsiders in horse racing or the larger priced participants in outright markets.

Just my opinion Tessy - i am not wanting to get in a slanging match with you - my original post was about the "balance" of the arguments being presented by people on here when its patently obvious there are thousands of happy customers with all bristish bookies and in my opinion they always do their best to act completely fairly - after all why would they not?? the damage to reputation if they really did con their customers would be far too bad.

The fact is, if you are a truly sharp player pinnacle can not only identify this, but also use it to their advantage. You probably don't understand how, by the sounds of your posts, so I am not going to bother to explain to you how they do that.

Compare that to the UK book which is basically "Oh shit, this guy has won some money, (or even looks like he could win some money), so restrict him and get rid of him). Pinnacle made in excess of $500 million last year AFAIK - as much as ladbrokes, or william hill, even with their cancerous roulette machines in 000s of bookmakers up and down the UK - without showing a single client the door.

Not difficult to see who has the superior business plan, is it?

If you get ANY REAL VALUE at books like 365 and Stan James they will show you the door so fast that your head will be spinning. The fact that you are advocating getting on with them tells me you a) cannot quantify real value and b) are not a winner.

You also follow a common misconception that value is only achieved on longer shots. Its far easier to get value on shorter prices actually - but its a matter of being able to quantify probabilities before the whole market catches up to the correct price.

There is NO ARGUMENT that a bet, if voided by palpable error, cannot be forced to stand at "whatever they determine to be the correct odds" - in no-one's eyes can that possibly, EVER be fair. Void it - sure - the guy who put the bet on was taking a shot, and he knew it (although how he thought an 1800 euro bet would go into the system unnoticed i do not know, its not like he tried to stay under the radar!) - but you can't then force him to accept a new bet at the new line, WHATEVER YOU DETERMINE THAT TO BE (and in this case AFTER THE EVENT).

This is a rule that is only designed to generate "action" - and has no regard for fairness to the punter.

I personally WOULD go to the gambling commission, because they are SUPPOSED to be ensuring fairness in cases exactly like this, and it seems patently obvious that this is NOT FAIR. If the GC don't do anything I would write to the racing post, a very small chance they will take an interest as they won't want to slag 365, but they might not be bothered about slagging IBAS and the GC.

Don't take shots like this, its plain stupid. I'm sure you have learned the lesson now - normally if you win, its void and if you lose, its not - but in this case you won, and it was void, and you lost anyway - now that is total bs.