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  • dlowilly
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-09-16
    • 13862

    #1
    Thoughts on final hand WSOP???
    Did John Cynn slowroll Tony Miles on the final hand even though he said he didn't?

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    Yes
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    No
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  • dlowilly
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-09-16
    • 13862

    #2
    They keep saying Miles was bluffing and IDK why, he thought he had the best hand
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    • Ian
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 11-09-09
      • 6076

      #3
      A nitroll, not a slowroll.

      The whole final table Cynn tanked whenever facing a big bet. Add in that he was tired and it's understandable. It should have been an auto-call, but he wasn't malicious about tanking.
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      • thetrinity
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 01-25-11
        • 22430

        #4
        Originally posted by Ian
        A nitroll, not a slowroll.

        The whole final table Cynn tanked whenever facing a big bet. Add in that he was tired and it's understandable. It should have been an auto-call, but he wasn't malicious about tanking.
        Cosign this post.

        Also he really didn't want to play big pots against miles, miles wanted the big pots as the worse player should
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        • Ratpack
          SBR MVP
          • 02-15-12
          • 4133

          #5
          miles is a dbag he was talking trash vs Antonio earlier when he knocked him out good thing he didn't win he would of relapsed most likely
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          • antifoil
            SBR MVP
            • 11-11-09
            • 3993

            #6
            People are very weak and sensitive. It's the same people that talk about playing baseball the right way.
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            • dlowilly
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-09-16
              • 13862

              #7
              Originally posted by Ian
              A nitroll, not a slowroll.

              The whole final table Cynn tanked whenever facing a big bet. Add in that he was tired and it's understandable. It should have been an auto-call, but he wasn't malicious about tanking.
              IDK nitroll would have been 30 seconds

              He took over 3 minutes

              I don't think it was a malicious slowroll but he knew he wasn't folding in the 1st 15 seconds
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              • thetrinity
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-25-11
                • 22430

                #8
                Originally posted by dlowilly
                IDK nitroll would have been 30 seconds

                He took over 3 minutes

                I don't think it was a malicious slowroll but he knew he wasn't folding in the 1st 15 seconds
                I heard it was only about a minute but after watching the video it was probably too long. In defense of cynn if he's wrong he's going to lose to a guy that he should beat.
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                • The Giant
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-21-12
                  • 21480

                  #9
                  I just ended watching this a few minutes ago.

                  Did Miles accuse him of slow rolling?

                  I thought that's what I overheard him whisper to him.
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                  • dlowilly
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-09-16
                    • 13862

                    #10
                    Originally posted by antifoil
                    People are very weak and sensitive. It's the same people that talk about playing baseball the right way.
                    LOL

                    Says the guy with advanced TDS (Trump derangement syndrome)
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                    • thetrinity
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-25-11
                      • 22430

                      #11
                      Originally posted by The Giant
                      I just ended watching this a few minutes ago.

                      Did Miles accuse him of slow rolling?

                      I thought that's what I overheard him whisper to him.
                      Yeah he seemed annoyed. I hated the bet he basically had the nut 2 pair and was only getting called if he was beat. Donkeys love to overplay good hands though so I'm not surprised.
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                      • dlowilly
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-09-16
                        • 13862

                        #12
                        Originally posted by The Giant
                        I just ended watching this a few minutes ago.

                        Did Miles accuse him of slow rolling?

                        I thought that's what I overheard him whisper to him.
                        He did and although not in his face about it he was serious

                        At 6:24 he said "You're slowrolling me"

                        Then after that it isn't shown in the video but Cynn tried to apologize again and Miles didn't seem to want any part of it
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                        • dlowilly
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 11-09-16
                          • 13862

                          #13
                          Originally posted by thetrinity
                          Yeah he seemed annoyed. I hated the bet he basically had the nut 2 pair and was only getting called if he was beat. Donkeys love to overplay good hands though so I'm not surprised.
                          What else should he do though? Check fold? Might as well get him off the flush draw, a better 8, or maybe even 99 if Cynn had those hands.
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                          • The Giant
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-21-12
                            • 21480

                            #14
                            Originally posted by thetrinity
                            Yeah he seemed annoyed. I hated the bet he basically had the nut 2 pair and was only getting called if he was beat. Donkeys love to overplay good hands though so I'm not surprised.
                            Did anything transpire afterwards though? I'm just wondering if he cussed him out on twitter or anything.
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                            • The Giant
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 01-21-12
                              • 21480

                              #15
                              He literally just posted this:

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                              • thetrinity
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-25-11
                                • 22430

                                #16
                                A8 of hearts, unlikely IMo, all other a8 are about impossible

                                99 about only hand he could have folded against that bet the way the action came out.
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                                • dlowilly
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-09-16
                                  • 13862

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by The Giant
                                  Did anything transpire afterwards though? I'm just wondering if he cussed him out on twitter or anything.
                                  Yeah looks like just a few minutes ago he apologized for telling Cynn he slowrolled him
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                                  • thechaoz
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 10-23-09
                                    • 12154

                                    #18
                                    I know he was tired at all but it's literally a slow roll because he's never folding there. In his heart of hearts he may have thought he was thinking about the hand, but in the end there is 0% chance he's folding therefore after a minute or so it's a slow roll
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                                    • d2bets
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                                      • 08-10-05
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                                      #19
                                      Obviously not a slowroll as that requires an intent.
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                                      • cincinnatikid513
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 11-23-17
                                        • 45360

                                        #20
                                        they played a grueling heads up match with so many ups and downs the chip lead changed hands so many times, fatigue was obviously a factor but there was no reason for cynn to take that long calling the final all in
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                                        • dlowilly
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-09-16
                                          • 13862

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by thetrinity
                                          A8 of diamonds, unlikely IMo, all other a8 are about impossible

                                          99 about only hand he could have folded against that bet the way the action came out.
                                          A8 of diamonds wasn't possible since 8d was the turn.

                                          That 8 simply put Miles in a bad spot, not sure how else he was supposed to play it from there
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                                          • d2bets
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by thechaoz
                                            I know he was tired at all but it's literally a slow roll because he's never folding there. It is heart of hearts he may have thought he was thinking about the hand, but in the end there is 0% chance he's folding therefore after a minute or so it's a slow roll
                                            Easy for you to say but after playing for 20 hours with that on the line you're entitled to think it through to be sure. He likely had it beat and was going to ultimately fold, but he also didn't have the nuts.
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                                            • dlowilly
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-09-16
                                              • 13862

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by thechaoz
                                              I know he was tired at all but it's literally a slow roll because he's never folding there. In his heart of hearts he may have thought he was thinking about the hand, but in the end there is 0% chance he's folding therefore after a minute or so it's a slow roll
                                              That's my take on it

                                              I don't think you have to be intent on pissing someone off for it to be a slowroll
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                                              • thetrinity
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 01-25-11
                                                • 22430

                                                #24
                                                Miles just ended the debate

                                                The real question is how long until he's broke I give it 6 months
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                                                • Fire in da hole
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-29-10
                                                  • 6262

                                                  #25
                                                  It’s a slow roll

                                                  heads up, no way he was folding
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                                                  • dlowilly
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 11-09-16
                                                    • 13862

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by thetrinity
                                                    Miles just ended the debate

                                                    The real question is how long until he's broke I give it 6 months
                                                    Meh I think a lot of that has to do with the big stage of it all and the attention he has now

                                                    If that was done for the same amount of money but anonymously or online there would be no retraction
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                                                    • thechaoz
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 10-23-09
                                                      • 12154

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by d2bets
                                                      Obviously not a slowroll as that requires an intent.
                                                      It is when you're never folding.

                                                      Let's call it a non malicious slow roll
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        Guy a verbal idiot

                                                        Social outcast

                                                        If he was smart 80% of that money would be tied up for the next 20 years where he can’t touch it and he gets older and mature
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                                                        • thetrinity
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 01-25-11
                                                          • 22430

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                          Meh I think a lot of that has to do with the big stage of it all and the attention he has now

                                                          If that was done for the same amount of money but anonymously or online there would be no retraction
                                                          Fair enough but if that wasn't to win the world series it would have taken 30 seconds to call max
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                                                          • Ian
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 11-09-09
                                                            • 6076

                                                            #30
                                                            Length of time has nothing to do with it.

                                                            A nitroll is tanking with a really strong hand in an "obvious" call spot because you think your opponent has an even better hand. A slowroll is tanking with a really strong hand in an "obvious" call spot because you think your opponent has a worse hand and you want to irritate him.

                                                            Originally posted by dlowilly
                                                            IDK nitroll would have been 30 seconds

                                                            He took over 3 minutes

                                                            I don't think it was a malicious slowroll but he knew he wasn't folding in the 1st 15 seconds
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                                                            • dlowilly
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-09-16
                                                              • 13862

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by thetrinity
                                                              Fair enough but if that wasn't to win the world series it would have taken 30 seconds to call max
                                                              No but that’s what I’m saying

                                                              if everything else was equal but they were anonymous so no endorsements, interviews, twitter followers, or previous quoted statements of church membership I don’t think there would be a retraction
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                                                              • d2bets
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                                                                • 08-10-05
                                                                • 39995

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Ian
                                                                Length of time has nothing to do with it.

                                                                A nitroll is tanking with a really strong hand in an "obvious" call spot because you think your opponent has an even better hand. A slowroll is tanking with a really strong hand in an "obvious" call spot because you think your opponent has a worse hand and you want to irritate him.
                                                                This.

                                                                Although I'd still cut a little more slack given the situation after 10 hours in the biggest situation.
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                                                                • dlowilly
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 11-09-16
                                                                  • 13862

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Ian
                                                                  Length of time has nothing to do with it.

                                                                  A nitroll is tanking with a really strong hand in an "obvious" call spot because you think your opponent has an even better hand. A slowroll is tanking with a really strong hand in an "obvious" call spot because you think your opponent has a worse hand and you want to irritate him.
                                                                  Yeah I agree with a lot of that and I think it was somewhere in between

                                                                  can’t say Cynn is a nit and he can think about it all he wants he was never folding
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                                                                  • The Giant
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 01-21-12
                                                                    • 21480

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Someone posted this on twitter. Miles coming across like a big douche.

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                                                                    • DiggityDaggityDo
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 11-30-08
                                                                      • 81450

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Annoying bitch at the end making him hold up the bracelet.
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