Novak Djokovic not to win another grand slam

[shocka1212]

Eli manning is the GOAT too. I don't care that he only has two super bowl wins and many others have more than him. What matters is that he's the only guy who is 2-0 vs Brady in the super bowl. The amazing Nick foles is 1-0 vs Brady in the super bowl.

Never mind that Brady has 5 rings going on 6. Never mind that fed has 20 slams and rafa 17. U want to anoint the joker right now. U wanna crown his azzz then crown it !!!

eli mannings demeanor is pretty goat worthy though....Tom Brady always yelling and being the rah rah rah guy... Eli gets the ball with 2 minutes left in the game, down 4 and is like, "idk, whatever, I guess ill go win this shit again."

[homie1975]

Rafa is favored to win the French despite being almost 33 yrs old

[homie1975]

lol djoko will win french that will be another record breaker. nadal is not ocd picking enough he can only win when he is in full pick mode. might need some thighter underwear

Son, he's the betting fave at the French on the eve of his 33rd bday

[homie1975]

career slam titles:

FED 20
RAFA 17

Djokovic 15

[navyblue81]

I don’t think Fed ends up with the most all-time. Either Nadal or Djoker will pass him. Whoever wins the FO has the best chance of that.

[Poisec]

career slam titles:

FED 20
RAFA 17

Djokovic 15

If Djokovic wins the French Open and ends his career with 18 slams and over 310 weeks as world #1, he will be the GOAT. Slams are important but not everything.

[lonegambler23]

lol fade slayer heavy

[homie1975]

If Djokovic wins the French Open and ends his career with 18 slams and over 310 weeks as world #1, he will be the GOAT. Slams are important but not everything.

What if Rafa wins the FO to get #18?

he is something like 22-15 vs Fed and will be 23-15 after tomorrow. 9-3 in slams vs Fed right now and will be 10-3 after tomorrow (6-0 at the FO and 4-3 at the other venues)

[MiDNiTe]

It's all about the slams right or wrong ppl only remember the slam totals

[Poisec]

What if Rafa wins the FO to get #18?

he is something like 22-15 vs Fed and will be 23-15 after tomorrow. 9-3 in slams vs Fed right now and will be 10-3 after tomorrow (6-0 at the FO and 4-3 at the other venues)

If Rafa wins Roland Garros, for me it changes nothing, he never won the ATP finals and that is a big hole in his career. Pains me to say it because he is my favorite among the 3.

[homie1975]

It's all about the slams right or wrong ppl only remember the slam totals

Yup just like golf majors

Nicklaus 18
Tiger 15

[Jeff_Black]

Rafas biggest detriment in the GOAT is that he is not really dominant against his two biggest rivals outside of clay. In fact his second biggest rival Djokovic is vastly superior to him on certain surfaces, even before 2011 Djokovic had a better record outside of Nadal on other surfaces outside of clay.

one of the greats for sure

[navyblue81]

Rafas biggest detriment in the GOAT is that he is not really dominant against his two biggest rivals outside of clay. In fact his second biggest rival Djokovic is vastly superior to him on certain surfaces, even before 2011 Djokovic had a better record outside of Nadal on other surfaces outside of clay.

one of the greats for sure

He’s struggled with Djoker more than Roger. He actually has a winning record against Roger outside of clay. Deep down I think Djoker is GOAT, but he has to get more majors to prove that.

[homie1975]

He’s struggled with Djoker more than Roger. He actually has a winning record against Roger outside of clay. Deep down I think Djoker is GOAT, but he has to get more majors to prove that.

Thiem took the first set 6-2

[navyblue81]

Thiem took the first set 6-2

Djoker needs to calm down. He’s letting the conditions get to him. This is where his temper becomes his weakness.

[navyblue81]

Novak putting his temper aside and starting to learn how to play these conditions. Looks like we have a match.

[burtonrider726]

He threw a fit in the first set and wanted to run away. These pauses helping him calm down. Can’t give an inch at the highest level.

Hoping both have some in the tank to give a great final

[homie1975]

they don't have lights at RG do they? it's already 6:30 pm in paris so they have maybe 1.5 hours left of enough light to play.

wimbledon used to play until 8:30 pm local time but i don't think they can get that far out in paris.

maybe 8 pm max

[Joey Vigs]

He threw a fit in the first set and wanted to run away. These pauses helping him calm down. Can’t give an inch at the highest level.

Hoping both have some in the tank to give a great final

Is Thiem basically done now against Joker? I only watched the first set but they made a big deal about the weather aiding him. Since Joker was able to cry enough to get the match halted is my bet on Thiem +180 toast if it’s nice tomorrow? I can hedge out joker live +120

[homie1975]

Is Thiem basically done now against Joker? I only watched the first set but they made a big deal about the weather aiding him. Since Joker was able to cry enough to get the match halted is my bet on Thiem +180 toast if it’s nice tomorrow? I can hedge out joker live +120

i would love to hear that with players of similar style, how the weather would aid Thiem and not Joker?

sounds like they are making excuses for Joker.

[yisman]

He’s struggled with Djoker more than Roger. He actually has a winning record against Roger outside of clay. Deep down I think Djoker is GOAT, but he has to get more majors to prove that.

This is not true. Federer has always has a winning record against Nadal if you exclude clay.

HTH is 23-15 but of that, it's 13-2 Nadal on clay.

[DavidGoliath5003]

This is not true. Federer has always has a winning record against Nadal if you exclude clay.

HTH is 23-15 but of that, it's 13-2 Nadal on clay.

Nadal: 27 Federer: 17 all surfaces

minus clay Federer: 15 Nadal: 14

Overall Nadal is #1 Djokovic #2 Federer #3

remember Federer won alot of titles prior to Nadal, Djokovic. The competition wasn’t nearly as stiff.

Federer’s Title amount and Name put him #1 in the average Fans eyes

[navyblue81]

This is not true. Federer has always has a winning record against Nadal if you exclude clay.

HTH is 23-15 but of that, it's 13-2 Nadal on clay.

Nadal is 4-3 vs Federer in majors outside of clay.

Also, if you look at their H2H when these two guys were in their prime, which I consider to be 2007-2014, Nadal has the better record on non-clay. From 2015-2018, both players have lost a step and have been dealing with injuries.

I really look at that Wimbledon final that Nadal won as a big feather in his cap over Federer. I thought that was when Fed and Nafal were both at their absolute best and it was on Fed’s best surface and Rafa beat him. Ever since then I’ve always felt Rafa was always slightly better than Fed all-time in head to head. Doesn’t make Rafa the GOAT yet, but he has the edge, IMO, of being better than Fed at the prime of their careers.

[homie1975]

Nadal: 27 Federer: 17 all surfaces

minus clay Federer: 15 Nadal: 14

Overall Nadal is #1 Djokovic #2 Federer #3

remember Federer won alot of titles prior to Nadal, Djokovic. The competition wasn’t nearly as stiff.

Federer’s Title amount and Name put him #1 in the average Fans eyes

after today it is 24-15 h2h in favor of Rafa
10-3 in slam matches which includes 6-0 at RG and 4-3 at Non RG venues.

trust me.

[Maizey]

remember Federer won alot of titles prior to Nadal, Djokovic. The competition wasn’t nearly as stiff.

For sure. Even some of Rafa's early wins were during the leaner years, and they were all on clay where Fed was never all that good. Joker's wins were pretty much all in the tough era.

[homie1975]

This is not true. Federer has always has a winning record against Nadal if you exclude clay.

HTH is 23-15 but of that, it's 13-2 Nadal on clay.

not in slams. Rafa leads 4-3 in slam matches played in Australia, Wimby, and US Open

[homie1975]

For sure. Even some of Rafa's early wins were during the leaner years, and they were all on clay where Fed was never all that good. Joker's wins were pretty much all in the tough era.

umm. Rafa won wimby in 2008 at age 22 and he beat fed in the classic match.

then at the same age in jan 2009 he bet fed in australia, another classic match.

were you asleep then?

[Maizey]

umm. Rafa won wimby in 2008 at age 22 and he beat fed in the classic match.

then at the same age in jan 2009 he bet fed in australia, another classic match.

were you asleep then?

Umm, I was referring to his first three wins in 2005 - 2007, lean years except for Fed who has never been good on clay.

Note the words “some” and “early wins”.

IMO, it’s going to be Joker #1, Fed #2, Rafa #3 in the GOAT race, ASSUMING Joker can play into his mid 30’s and get close to the slam totals of the other two. And that in and of itself is incredible given that all three had overlapping careers and had to face a lot of each other. Think about other sports, Tom Brady never had to face Joe Montana, LeBron James never had to face a Michael Jordan. The dominance of these three is something we will likely never see again.

[yisman]

not in slams. Rafa leads 4-3 in slam matches played in Australia, Wimby, and US Open

I didn't know we now exclude all non-slam matches. He posted that Nadal has a winning record against Federer on non-clay. Simply not true.

Nadal has been the undisputed King of Clay for many years and is the greatest in that aspect.

Overall, it's very close between Federer and Djokovic.

[navyblue81]

I didn't know we now exclude all non-slam matches. He posted that Nadal has a winning record against Federer on non-clay. Simply not true.

Nadal has been the undisputed King of Clay for many years and is the greatest in that aspect.

Overall, it's very close between Federer and Djokovic.

You could argue Nadal has a better record vs Federer in non-clay results when both players were in their prime including that classic win at Wimbledon when I thought both players were at their absolute highest.

Federer won a lot of early matches against Nadal when Rafa was young and in the last few years when Nadal has lost it more. But in those middle years, Nadal had the upper hand.

Like I’ve said before, in their primes, I think Nadal was the better player. However career-wise, Fed still has the edge. Nadal needs a few more non-French majors.

[MinnesotaFats]

Noone ever talks about Samprass anymore in the GOAT topic

Cant overlook him, his time transcended some very great players both early and late.

[homie1975]

Noone ever talks about Samprass anymore in the GOAT topic

Cant overlook him, his time transcended some very great players both early and late.

that's because his slam count has been surpassed by 3 guys already. He got slam #14 to beat emerson's record in 2002, then less than 7 years later in 2009 federer breaks the record.

pete was a tremendous server, a very good volleyer, but no aspect of his ground game can touch fed, joker, or rafa. overall, they are all superior players to pete. rafa and joker two of the greatest service returns of all time (agassi another one). they would have given sampras fits because they would have actually broken him unlike the players of pete's time. pete's only really rival was agassi. no one else. courier was decent. rafter was decent. but back then, there was no one like the Big 3 we have right now.

[stepaside777]

can't wait djokovic to smoke nadul in final

[MiDNiTe]

Yeah I would of taken joker to beat Rafa in the final but now I dunno if he can beat thiem and now whoever wins will have even less rest

[MrSink]

curious if break could change momentum of this game