[probettor1]

Is Jon Jones fake for having a DUI? I can't hardly think of a guy I know who at least once didn't do the "drink and drive". In most work parties I have been most employees drink a lot and drive. In all the night clubs I have been at least 90% of the people are drinking a lot and leave the night club driving. One person is injured every minute in USA and one dies every 32 minutes in a alcohol related traffick accident. 45 millions americans are "problem drinker". We have 2 millions americas with liver pathologies caused by alcohol, and many other millions affected of heart, kidney, brain, inmunological disease and many other disease thanks to alcohol.

Despite all that and despite the fact that alcohol is one of the most addicting drugs we have a commertial for some alcoholic beverage every where every second in USA, TV advertisement, radio, signs, hats, T-shirts. The system push people to drink, the system push people to get addicted to a very strong drug.

Jon Jones and all the other people driving and drinking are no other that victims of a fake system. A system that will make illegal sports betting while pushing down the throat of the society a very dangerous and strong drug. I'm not against alcohol. I'm against the advertisement of it. I'm against night clubs selling alcohol to drivers and no one caring about it. There is no one police ever in a parking lot of a night club. Having a celebrity advertising alcohol is no better that having one celebrity involved in a DUI.

[probettor1]

If it was a mandatory for night clubs/bars to have a camara inside the establishment as most stores have and one in the parking lot as most stores have as well and the police had access to it, thousands of lives would be saved over the years, including the live of thousands of kids. But it would be bad for bussiness, for this fake system. By the way I'm not talking about USA only, it is a global problem.

[coop]

What percentage of this board has a DUI?

I say 60-70%

[mh217]

It's pretty ironic that once you are 21 you can't go anywhere without drinking...dinner, bottle of wine...sporting event, beers...even a broadway show has an intermission for a bar...out on a date, drinks.....if you leave your house at night to go hang out it's about 95% likely that you will be around alcohol.

[baskets]

oh shit, here we go again w/ probettor.

listen, you don't judge black people by their words... NEVER. shit, I'm not even going to educate you on this fukking subject b/c u prolly live in Mary Poppins land

whatever. carry on.

[probettor1]

It took many years for society to have a smart policy vs the smoking. And I hope one day we will have one decent policy to protect people from the alcohol too. Fortunally the war vs smoking is paying off.

[jgilmartin]

Horrendously dangerous attitude. Millions of Americans die prematurely due to obesity; should the federal government ban the advertising of any food over 500 calories? Maybe they can ban restaurants from serving a meal that doesn't include a fruit and a vegetable while they're at it.

[probettor1]

Alcohol should be treated the same way smoking is treated, how can someone compare alcohol and food?. But your point is very interesting. Food that are extremely high in saturated fat, cholesterol, sugar and other toxics as phosphoric acid as the coca cola and pepsy should also be regulated, the same way medication are regulated. When a medication that is advertised cause cancer the add has to mention the risk.
something like this should be done when advertising a shake for example:

This shake has 20 grams of fat, 200 grams of cholesterol and 40 grams of sugar. Excesive amount of saturated fat, cholesterol and sugar may cause obesity, diabetes, depression, stroke and coronary heart disease.

But dont worry jgilmartin, no one cares about the health of the american population. Alcohol and the bad food industry are too powerful to fight with. Who cares about this: that overweight children and adolescents in the US has nearly tripled since the early 1970’s? More than one in five children between the ages of 6 and 17 are now considered overweight. Childhood obesity has been linked to diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, anxiety, and poor academic performance.

It is all about money, lousy food and alcohol are as protected as the american jobs going to China. There is simply too much money in it. About the latest. Imagine Walmart buying products made for a few cents in China to be sold here for a few bucks with the money that we borrow from them. They have over 70 billions to protect their bussiness. It is unstoppable. I have no faith that any change will be done. But at least we have a forum that allows american to freely speak their minds here.

[probettor1]

It's pretty ironic that once you are 21 you can't go anywhere without drinking...dinner, bottle of wine...sporting event, beers...even a broadway show has an intermission for a bar...out on a date, drinks.....if you leave your house at night to go hang out it's about 95% likely that you will be around alcohol.

They sell beer even in places that are exclusively for kids as Dandy Bear and Chuck-E Cheese, (kids been educated early in drink and drive). And i haven't seen one night club or bar that offer a bus to do pick up and delivery of their clients. Today a lot of medical clinics offer free transportation for their patient which somehow is paid by medicare. Why not to have a non-profit transportation service for people involved with drinking?
Jon Jones is a man with a crazy discipline, willing power and a clear goal to become an american icon. The only thing that this accident proved to us is how common and how tolerated is driving and drinking in our society. At every scale, rich and poor, educated and non educated, well known and unknown people.

[Dirty Sanchez]

It took many years for society to have a smart policy vs the smoking. And I hope one day we will have one decent policy to protect people from the alcohol too. Fortunally the war vs smoking is paying off.

Good Grief....go find a Political Board who gives a rats ass

[InTheDrink]

Good Grief....go find a Political Board who gives a rats ass

[probettor1]

Good Grief....go find a Political Board who gives a rats ass

find a Political Board who gives a rats ass? Polititians cares as much as you do Dirty Sanchez. And worse, most forums will ban anthing politically or economically controversial.

[RAPISTburger84]

Jon Jones is the fakest athlete ever...and he's also tied with Dwayne Wade for the mode arrogant athlete ever...

[The Inevitable]

I think I agree with probettor. He makes a good point.

[probettor1]

Jon Jones is the fakest athlete ever...and he's also tied with Dwayne Wade for the mode arrogant athlete ever...

Who are you? Rashad Evans?.
Define arrogant: making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights.
Jones is just too good and too young. And has a more than average need to be acknowledged, in my opinion as a consequence of been bullied by his olders brothers as a child. But it might change as he get older and hit a few posts.

[marcojuiceman]

They sell beer even in places that are exclusively for kids as Dandy Bear and Chuck-E Cheese, (kids been educated early in drink and drive). And i haven't seen one night club or bar that offer a bus to do pick up and delivery of their clients. Today a lot of medical clinics offer free transportation for their patient which somehow is paid by medicare. Why not to have a non-profit transportation service for people involved with drinking?
Jon Jones is a man with a crazy discipline, willing power and a clear goal to become an american icon. The only thing that this accident proved to us is how common and how tolerated is driving and drinking in our society. At every scale, rich and poor, educated and non educated, well known and unknown people.

Are you a Socialist??

[probettor1]

Are you a Socialist??

I bet this was the kind of response people had when the current regulation vs smoking were innitially discussed.
Right now go to any Chuck-E Cheese and watch any one drinking a few pints of beers. Then watch them leaving and i could bet that they will drive. Drink and drive is a socially acceptable behavior. Smoking in public places used to be socially acceptable too but not now. Socialist country are the one drinking the most. Cuban and the old russian are a good example of it. I do work in the health care bussiness and I see every day the consequence of driving drunk. I'm not the guy with a lot of ethics. I could vote for legalized marihuana and prostitution. Even cocaine could be legal. Any way people can buy it any where. The only differece would be that the mob would have one less bussiness to do.

[probettor1]

Alcohol is a drug much more stronger that marijuana in every sense. If you get someone drunk in your establishment by selling him a drug you should also make sure that he and the rest of the population are save. Offering non-profit transportation would be fair not socialist.

Dependence Alcohol 3 marijuana 1
Withdrawal Alcohol 6 marijuana 1
Tolerance Alcohol 4 marijuana 1
Reinforcemen Alcohol 4 marijuana 2
intoxication Alcohol 6 marijuana 3

[jgilmartin]

I do not have an issue with smoking being banned in a truly public place (for example, a courthouse, or the DMV), as often people do not have a choice to be there. But what about a private business, such as a bar? The customers choose to take their business there, and the employees choose to work there.

The health risks of smoking (and inhaling second hand smoke) are well known; additionally, many complained about smelling like smoke or the fact that they felt like they couldn't breathe well while inside a smokey bar. Fair enough, I share those sentiments, and I myself do not smoke. However, I do not feel the government has the right to tell a business owner what otherwise legal activities can be allowed in his/her business, nor do I feel they need to as the free market already has an easy answer for this. A bar could voluntarily disallow smoking; they would attract the customers and employees that didn't want the health risks/odor/etc of being around smokers. As society moved further and further away from smoking, fewer and fewer businesses would allow smoking, as it would be to their economic benefit to voluntarily ban it in their establishments. This scenario is already playing out in states which still allow smoking in bars, and was occurring in states where smoking is banned, prior to the bans.

[probettor1]

Even allowing smoking in a bar would make more sense that getting people drunk and let them drive. The fact is the police know people get drunk in night clubs and bars and they do nothing about it. Here is the difference I can choose not to go to a smoking bar but I can not choose not to be involved in a alcohol related accident or having a relative involved.

[TheMetsSuck]

i got a dui when i was sober

[probettor1]

i got a dui when i was sober

I said I can not choose not to be involved in a alcohol related accident because the driver hitting me could be drunk, not me.

[TheMetsSuck]

que?

[probettor1]

Even the law vs drunk driving is nothing if compare to pulling out a gun even without firing it, despite the fact that drunk driving kill/injure more people that fire arms.
In 2010 fatalities by firearms: 8,775 (with about 30,000 injuries)
In 2008 fatalities for alcohol related accidents 13,846 (with about 400,000 injuries)
anyone who shows a gun in the commission of certain felonies gets an automatic 10 years in prison while most DUI offenses are misdemeanors.

[marcojuiceman]

Even the law vs drunk driving is nothing if compare to pulling out a gun even without firing it, despite the fact that drunk driving kill more people that fire arms.
In 2010 fatalities by firearms: 8,775 (with about 30,000 injuries)
In 2008 fatalities for alcohol related accidents 13,846 (with about 400,000 injuries)
anyone who shows a gun in the commission of certain felonies gets an automatic 10 years in prison while most DUI offenses are misdemeanors.

Are you running for a political seat?? if not telling people on here is a waste... Sign a petition, go and protest but if not your words mean nothing

[TheMetsSuck]

[probettor1]

Are you running for a political seat?? if not telling people on here is a waste... Sign a petition, go and protest but if not your words mean nothing

No, I just have a really bad hangover after getting drunk yesterday in dave and busters and I have been in bed for 24 hours.

[TheMetsSuck]

ya whenever i get a bad hangover i start spewing drunk driving stats on gambling forums like a mothers against drunk driving chair person

[probettor1]

ya whenever i get a bad hangover i start spewing drunk driving stats on gambling forums like a mothers against drunk driving chair person

Sorry themetssucks but the title of my thread was clear, I was taking about DUI, if dont want to read about it why you keep comming here? there are thousands of threads and articles to read out there. And I really wanted to say what I said and I wanted to say it here because it will be here for a long period of time. Yahoo forums for example last a day or two. I dont have a hangover, but I have been in bed 24 hours and have had plenty of time. You probably make a living selling alcohol and I understand your point.

[probettor1]

I make a living taking care of car accident victims but I'd rather get another job that stand for the alcohol industry.

[TheMetsSuck]

this guy is a tool

[RAPISTburger84]

Who are you? Rashad Evans?.
Define arrogant: making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights.
Jones is just too good and too young. And has a more than average need to be acknowledged, in my opinion as a consequence of been bullied by his olders brothers as a child. But it might change as he get older and hit a few posts.

Who are you? His publicist? I've been watching this douche try to come off as a Bible thumping Jesus freak, meanwhile complaining about his haters, how little respect he gets, etc...but in reality, he's just a fake a$$ white boy, just like Rashad said. MMA fans know the difference between a fake a$$ fighter and a real fighter.

[baskets]

this guy is a tool

Mets, that guy probettor is a megafukking tool. You're better off not arguing w/ that whack job. Seriously. He makes Nancy Pelosi look like an even-keeled normal person.

[probettor1]

Basket I have my points, rights or wrong, you are a worthless, useless troller with a complete lack of originality and intelligence. You spend your entire life posting crap in this forum, not even one intelligent or controvertial idea. You have 7,464 post in just 7 month, not even one point or one prize. I have 579 post in one year and I believe that I have spent too mucho time here already. I like to help people, even though you can think differently. But your goal here is just to jump from thread to thread vomiting your life. Just get a life, find a decent job and learn something. I would love to see a signifficant reduction in the death/injuries alcohol related accidents. What is your goal? Just to spit and vomit your lack of intelligence and lack of manners

[probettor1]

Basket your are not even a degenerative gambler. You are a guy with serious addiction problems, but with no money to bet. You are alcoholic, you dont have a girl friend nor a friend which force you to spend your life drinking cheap booze and posting meaningless and stupid crap in this forum. You feel your self full of shiit and to make you feel better and important you attack every one here. You need help, but you will need to set some goal other that getting drunk and trolling.