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  • chico2663
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    #106
    Originally posted by RoyBacon
    OK that sounds as fake as Russian collusion but even taken that as fact how could he amass a $6 billion dollar empire if he was not a great business man? You guys do know how much return you would need to turn $60 million into $6 billion right? I could break it down for you just let me know.
    difference was he confessed that to the guy who wrote art of the deal. You can tell by his tweets he couldn't write a sentence let alone a book
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    • RoyBacon
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      #107
      Originally posted by rkelly110
      Whatever Roy. So long as I stay true to myself is all that matters.
      By all means. You can still be true using a factual basis.
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      • EmpireMaker
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        #108
        High Income Tax Rates: 1921 73% 1923 56% 1924 46% 1929 24% WEALTH INEQUALITY PEAKS GREAT DEPRESSION
        1945 84% 1955 81% 1965 70% 1982 50% 1993 38% 2007 35% WEALTH INEQUALITY PEAKS GREAT RECESSION
        2016 39% 2018 #TaxScam 20%
        WEALTH INEQUALITY PEAKED GREATEST ________ IN HISTORY..
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        • RoyBacon
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          #109
          Wealth inequality is a Marxist thing.

          What counts in a free market economy is abundance of good paying jobs and rising wages.

          No one cares how rich the rich get except the Marxist communism types.
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          • rkelly110
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            #110
            Originally posted by RoyBacon
            By all means. You can still be true using a factual basis.
            Something we haven't seen on your end...........
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            • dante1
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              #111
              Originally posted by RoyBacon
              Wealth inequality is a Marxist thing.

              What counts in a free market economy is abundance of good paying jobs and rising wages.

              No one cares how rich the rich get except the Marxist communism types.


              your last sentence is complete BS, the opposite is actually the biggest reason DT won this last election. Can't have it both ways Roy.
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              • d2bets
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                #112
                Originally posted by RoyBacon
                Wealth inequality is a Marxist thing.

                What counts in a free market economy is abundance of good paying jobs and rising wages.

                No one cares how rich the rich get except the Marxist communism types.
                It doesn't matter as much at the moment when the economy is OK. But inevitably the economy is cyclical and there will be leaner times. That's when greater inequality becomes highlighted and it can cause real problems between haves and have-notes. Yes, it matters. No one is saying everyone has to have equal wealth and nobody can be rich, but an ever-increasing and widening gap is not good for a society in the long-run. There are examples throughout history. It's not a marxist notion. And many smart rich people know this too and are concerned about it.
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                • khicks26
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                  #113
                  Originally posted by d2bets
                  It doesn't matter as much at the moment when the economy is OK. But inevitably the economy is cyclical and there will be leaner times. That's when greater inequality becomes highlighted and it can cause real problems between haves and have-notes. Yes, it matters. No one is saying everyone has to have equal wealth and nobody can be rich, but an ever-increasing and widening gap is not good for a society in the long-run. There are examples throughout history. It's not a marxist notion. And many smart rich people know this too and are concerned about it.
                  YES. because in the end it is the Mob & Pitch forks that rule.

                  As Joe Kennedy said of the Great Depression. Better to keep 1/2 my money than have it all taken away.
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                  • DwightShrute
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                    #114
                    Originally posted by dante1
                    your last sentence is complete BS, the opposite is actually the biggest reason DT won this last election. Can't have it both ways Roy.
                    you really think that?

                    You don't think that people were just tired of all the incompetence and excuse making in Washington? The nation building in the Middle East with trillions of dollars while infrastructure at home is falling apart? What about the entitlement society mentality that government will provide you everything at the expense of hard working Americans? Perhaps the political correctness and affirmative action (reverse racism) which is like a cancer on society? Perhaps that people wanted law and order? Secured borders? Maybe they reject globalism and wanted a leader who will put them first for a change. America First? Maybe they want to keep more of their money? Maybe they were just tired of the endless excuses and fighting?
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                    • khicks26
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by DwightShrute
                      you really think that?

                      You don't think that people were just tired of all the incompetence and excuse making in Washington? The nation building in the Middle East with trillions of dollars while infrastructure at home is falling apart? What about the entitlement society mentality that government will provide you everything at the expense of hard working Americans? Perhaps the political correctness and affirmative action (reverse racism) which is like a cancer on society? Perhaps that people wanted law and order? Secured borders? Maybe they reject globalism and wanted a leader who will put them first for a change. America First? Maybe they want to keep more of their money? Maybe they were just tired of the endless excuses and fighting?
                      NO, any other election in the last 100 years. Trump isn't even in the race. Timing is everything, he luck boxed his way in.
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                      • DwightShrute
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                        #116
                        Originally posted by khicks26
                        NO, any other election in the last 100 years. Trump isn't even in the race. Timing is everything, he luck boxed his way in.
                        Trump had the balls to say what people were thinking (still does) and he didn't care (still doesn't) if snowflakes are offended.

                        Trump stood up against the establishment and the press and won. He's an American hero. Too bad you can't see it.
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                        • khicks26
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by DwightShrute
                          Trump had the balls to say what people were thinking (still does) and he didn't care (still doesn't) if snowflakes are offended.

                          Trump stood up against the establishment and the press and won. He's an American hero. Too bad you can't see it.
                          The only problem is he lied & people had no choice but to believe him. Not a hero & would have not won in the last 100 years.
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                          • DwightShrute
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                            #118
                            Originally posted by khicks26
                            The only problem is he lied & people had no choice but to believe him. Not a hero & would have not won in the last 100 years.
                            every politician has said things that weren't true. It's an ugly game controlled by powerful people and Trump had to get his hands dirty in order to win. People know this. How you didn't is amazing.
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                            • khicks26
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                              #119
                              Originally posted by DwightShrute
                              every politician has said things that weren't true. It's an ugly game controlled by powerful people and Trump had to get his hands dirty in order to win. People know this. How you didn't is amazing.
                              No what's amazing is the American people stand for it.
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                              • RoyBacon
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                                #120
                                Dante a serious question;

                                Do you or anyone care how much the top 1% make if there is an abundance of good paying jobs and growing wages?

                                Personally I hope the 1%ers make gazillions. I want to be one. But for now I hope they smell opportunity and use their money in high risk ways that pursue new technology, products and services. I don't want to punish them, f\*\*k dude I want to throw them a parade. They are the engine, they have the money and I want the opportunity at the American Dream.
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                                • DwightShrute
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                                  #121
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                                  • jtoler
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                                    #122
                                    Last edited by jtoler; 12-31-17, 01:02 PM.
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                                    • RoyBacon
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                                      #123
                                      George Soros shorted the market the night Trump won. A month later he had lost a cool $1 billion dollars before being forced to close out his short positions.

                                      Even the smartest libs don't get it. We are making America great. No reason to fight it.
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                                      • dante1
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                                        #124



                                        well here is what one R conservative admitted, and it is something common sense people have said since the beginning.


                                        a pittance for hard working middle class Americans, even less for lower middle class Americans and a bucket of gold for people who need it the least. Oh and a wink and a nod for DT and his cronies. That is what it did. Did I mention the debt part.
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                                        • dante1
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                                          #125
                                          Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                          George Soros shorted the market the night Trump won. A month later he had lost a cool $1 billion dollars before being forced to close out his short positions.

                                          Even the smartest libs don't get it. We are making America great. No reason to fight it.



                                          oh and what this guy and brooks and dwightie believe, do you think you know enough now.
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                                          • RoyBacon
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                                            #126
                                            Dante everyone knows this was mostly a corp tax cut and the bottom 10% of tax payers tax cut.

                                            Even Obama said in the State of the Union we needed it. So that's 2/3's of it. The bottom 10% who pay little taxes now pay zero taxes and few crumbs for middle upper incomes but not much and increases at the top brackets as D2 continues to point out.

                                            So paint it to whatever makes you feel the best but that's what it is.
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                                            • RoyBacon
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                                              #127
                                              Originally posted by d2bets
                                              It doesn't matter as much at the moment when the economy is OK. But inevitably the economy is cyclical and there will be leaner times. That's when greater inequality becomes highlighted and it can cause real problems between haves and have-notes. Yes, it matters. No one is saying everyone has to have equal wealth and nobody can be rich, but an ever-increasing and widening gap is not good for a society in the long-run. There are examples throughout history. It's not a marxist notion. And many smart rich people know this too and are concerned about it.
                                              You do not solve economic inequality by taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. Even if what you said was 100% true you still want to raise wages throughout the wage curve especially the bottom half. You don't knock the rich down or constrict them through high taxes because they are the engine to wage growth. That's one good thing about Trump, he gets it.

                                              Liberals seem like they can not decide between free market system or a government mandated socialistic system. They want to superimpose socialist ideas on a free market system and that greatly slows economic expansion.
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                                              • DwightShrute
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                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by dante1
                                                oh and what this guy and brooks and dwightie believe, do you think you know enough now.
                                                you saved your best post of the years on the last day.

                                                Happy New Year dishonest dante
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                                                • chico2663
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                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                  You do not solve economic inequality by taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. Even if what you said was 100% true you still want to raise wages throughout the wage curve especially the bottom half. You don't knock the rich down or constrict them through high taxes because they are the engine to wage growth. That's one good thing about Trump, he gets it.

                                                  Liberals seem like they can not decide between free market system or a government mandated socialistic system. They want to superimpose socialist ideas on a free market system and that greatly slows economic expansion.
                                                  no but now they are taxing the middle class and giving it to the 1 %
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                                                  • pilebuck13
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                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by chico2663
                                                    no but now they are taxing the middle class and giving it to the 1 %
                                                    You must be drunk already. This is not true.
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                                                    • chico2663
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                                                      #131
                                                      Originally posted by pilebuck13
                                                      You must be drunk already. This is not true.
                                                      have you ever done taxes before? i'm not talking ez form. I have done many times. I'm telling you by taking away some of the deductions that people who do their taxes on a c. YES THEY ARE.
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                                                      • RoyBacon
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                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by chico2663
                                                        no but now they are taxing the middle class and giving it to the 1 %
                                                        More dishonest intellect. The sad part is you know it's not true. You can't hide behind the cloak of ignorance. You simply state falsehoods which is my biggest problem discussing issues with liberals.
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                                                        • chico2663
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                                                          #133
                                                          dude you are another dumb ass that doesn't know the definition of liberal. I was a republican until they allowed all you log cabins in. Not that I have a problem which way you roll. Just be honest. Does your wife know you are a log cabin?
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                                                          • chico2663
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                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                            More dishonest intellect. The sad part is you know it's not true. You can't hide behind the cloak of ignorance. You simply state falsehoods which is my biggest problem discussing issues with liberals.
                                                            you still believe reagan didn't hurt the country even though he spent billions more then or than he took in
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                                                            • rkelly110
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                                                              #135
                                                              Trump must think like his daughter and or vise versa thinking cutting taxes means more money to spend at will.

                                                              Trump signing the tax plan, then right after spending 400m on missiles. Now wants to do infrastructure which will be
                                                              a major cost. Not to mention the wall, while his buddies in congress will be gutting the programs that help education,
                                                              seniors and the poor, but hey, the working man will get $7.50 a week extra in his pocket.

                                                              The head of a conservative Republican faction in the U.S. Congress, who voted this month for a huge expansion of the national debt to pay for tax cuts, called himself a "fiscal conservative" on Sunday and urged budget restraint in 2018. In keeping with a sharp pivot under way among Republicans, U.S. Representative Mark Meadows, speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," drew a hard line on federal spending, which lawmakers are bracing to do battle over in January. When they return from the holidays on Wednesday, lawmakers will begin trying to pass a federal budget in a fight likely to be linked to other issues, such as immigration policy, even as the November congressional election campaigns approach in which Republicans will seek to keep control of Congress.
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                                                              • RoyBacon
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                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by chico2663
                                                                no but now they are taxing the middle class and giving it to the 1 %
                                                                This is a liberal talking point and totally dishonest and offends peoples intelligence.

                                                                Obviously you say some stupid extreme liberal stuff but do you actually believe taxes have been raised on the middle class and those taxes will be redistributed to those in the 1% bracket?

                                                                If you actually believe that than you may be clinically retarded and I'll give you a pass. If you know it's false then why do you say it?
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                                                                • khicks26
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                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                                  Trump must think like his daughter and or vise versa thinking cutting taxes means more money to spend at will.

                                                                  Trump signing the tax plan, then right after spending 400m on missiles. Now wants to do infrastructure which will be
                                                                  a major cost. Not to mention the wall, while his buddies in congress will be gutting the programs that help education,
                                                                  seniors and the poor, but hey, the working man will get $7.50 a week extra in his pocket.

                                                                  https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/u...-business.html
                                                                  From what I hear infrastructure will be done though privatization. Which more than likely will be paid for by the same people who just got massive tax cuts.

                                                                  So instead of taxing for infrastructure​ Trump is just turning it over to the rich & corporate to make a profit from it. Its a double fuk you to working people, as you will have to pay tolls for roads & more for everything like water.

                                                                  Just another move in the corporate take over of the country, the government & its people.
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                                                                  • RoyBacon
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                                                                    #138
                                                                    Originally posted by khicks26
                                                                    From what I hear infrastructure will be done though privatization. Which more than likely will be paid for by the same people who just got massive tax cuts.

                                                                    So instead of taxing for infrastructure​ Trump is just turning it over to the rich & corporate to make a profit from it. Its a double fuk you to working people, as you will have to pay tolls for roads & more for everything like water.

                                                                    Just another move in the corporate take over of the country, the government & its people.
                                                                    Every time you hear a lib say "from what I hear" you know it is fake as a $3 bill. You didn't a thing that makes sense. Obviously we are NOT raising taxes to do infrastructure.

                                                                    Trump is going to insist those that benefit from a project in their community put some skin in the game. That's where the rub will be. Dems like always want to spend tax dollars like drunken sailors. So if you want a new harbor in Houston Trump will put up about half and the state and city will put up half.

                                                                    I doubt it gets done.
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                                                                    • khicks26
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                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                                      Every time you hear a lib say "from what I hear" you know it is fake as a $3 bill. You didn't a thing that makes sense. Obviously we are NOT raising taxes to do infrastructure.

                                                                      Trump is going to insist those that benefit from a project in their community put some skin in the game. That's where the rub will be. Dems like always want to spend tax dollars like drunken sailors. So if you want a new harbor in Houston Trump will put up about half and the state and city will put up half.


                                                                      I doubt it gets done.
                                                                      You mean like giving 6 trillion dollars to people that don't need it?

                                                                      Dude your starting to talk out your ass.


                                                                      Just wait & see what's in the infrastructure bill.

                                                                      Last edited by khicks26; 01-01-18, 02:29 PM.
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                                                                      • thechaoz
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                                                                        • 10-23-09
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                                                                        #140
                                                                        83 percent of the the tax cuts go to the top one percent.

                                                                        This is math, not facts, not debatable. I feel ill need to say that on advance to some of you on here.

                                                                        Tell me how giving millionaires more money in their checking accounts creates jobs, educates people and moves more industry and middle class jobs to our cities?

                                                                        Right. It doesn't
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