BetFirstClass rips off a poster...

[5 star bomb]

NOWSHESMYRUCA - I took the Nuggets -265 for the half for $1,200. I just logged in and the bets were canceled because they say the line was off.

Piece of shit books. I have them -285 through another out or I would be pulling for Dallas here big time here.

I highly recommenced not playing at BFC.

[5 star bomb]

You can read the entire thread across the street.... (So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.)

[Slim]

The shrink endorses this POS book.

[5 star bomb]

Ruca got fukked here...

[Slim]

Scam book

[flyingillini]

Remember the guy from this book came on here a while back and was talking shit to posters. Unreal, stay far away, their website looks like its from gamecities.

[InTheHole]

about -020 is what they considered off....am I reading you correctly

[diogee]

Nah it was off by more than that ITH...don't think anywhere was below -300 once noon hit. 5D had like -285 at 10 am but it rose throughout the day. I would say at least 40 cents depending on when put in.

[InTheHole]

ok diogee...see you at the bash

[diogee]

ok diogee...see you at the bash

Hellz yeah.

[jjgold]

Always hear a lot of problems about that book

Does Shrink ever endorse a good book??

[raydog]

5stiff, you stupid fukk. read the whole damn thing. the line was 100cents off and they canceled the bets and sent 2 messages to the players. everyone emptied their accounts and were betting into a bad line on purpose.... there is nothing wrong with this book. they pay out real fast and the only thing holding them back is they dont offer that great of numbers and they put limits on some plays that a certain tout puts out because the guy has hammered them. they are a good book and i cant remember any complaints on the boards about this book and this turns out to be a shitty complaint from a guy who was betting a bad line and knew it. he shouldnt be awarded shit for trying to taking a shot at the book, but betfirstclass gave him a$100 free play anyways.


here is what betfirstclass had to say....
SIR

steve is 1000% right (this time)

#1 we emailed & messaged ALL accts well over 1 hr prior to tip

#2 RED FLAG was you & many others bet every Penny in their acct . . . . .

#3 Pinnacle who is Cheapest & BEST shop in WORLD for Moneylines ran it
-322 / so WHY would you have thought BFC was running it -265

#4 See ticket above submitted AFTER you @ -365 did you think $400 wager
moved line 100-cents

IF Bet had been cancelled AFTER game started, I"D BE MATTER THAN HELL

However, ALL wagers were cancelled Well over HOUR Before game & all accts were sent not only an email but all accts were Messaged as well . . . . . .

Very sorry but Line was to READ -365 / the first QTR was -265

[5 star bomb]

Ray you are the stupid fukk here not me.... Read more into it. THis is bullshit what BFC pulled. 1st of all -280 was available at 5Dimes earlier that day so the line was that off.... TTP drilled him

[Mudcat]

1st of all -280 was available at 5Dimes earlier that day so the line was that off....

A line that was available earlier in the day is completely irrelevant in this discussion. Lines move. Gimme a break. Is this your first day in the world of gambling?

Bets being cancelled due to line error is a fairly common thing unfortunately. Part of the game. Shot-takers need to know all the angles.

[raydog]

stiffler, get your head outta your ass and quit being a follower. when he made the bet, there was nothing anywhere within 60-80cents of that line and if there was, it was a book he couldnt play at. notice he never says when he made the bet, so you know it was in the -340-350 range everywhere else...when he made the bet, bfc's line was way off from the very best books in the business. he knew the line was off and he and 45 others unloaded their accounts on a bad line. its very obvious. its all in black and white what happened. bfc did the correct thing in canceling the bad line bets and they gave players plenty of time to play the game elsewhere. cannon and others are just shit starters who, like yourself like to run your uneducated ass on certain subjects.

46 people took shots at a bad line with "all in bets" at the time when bfc hung the wrong #. you gonna criticize a book for canceling those bets??? you gonna tell me that nobody knew the line was off when they emptied their accounts??? bullshit. each and every player knew the line was fukked up and they unloaded their account on it. the worst that could happen, did, the play got canceled. sure, they could have done what green doberman said and given the players a choice to let the bet stand and take winnings, but then would they would be banned from the book. small books cant afford to do this. they would lose too many of their much needed clients. people would simply take their winnings and post up somewhere else. they did the correct thing and you people who cant see it are simply blind. notice you dont see ruca bitching after the 1st half of the 1st page. he knew he took a shot and quit his bitching.

yeah ttp nailed him... in his own mind. im sure that pinny has 100x more clients than bfc and are going to have some higher mma odds at times. smaller books will sometimes have shorter lines on events or certain plays where they get little action or when there is a huge mismatch that is considered a sure thing(as in the fight that ttp is referring too) its how you induce the action. if you knew anything about the business, you would understand. you dont so you wont.

now run along little sheep, run along.

[wtf]

damn ray you must own that book

[ProfaneReality]

You guys are assuming BFC is telling the truth about 46 accounts emptying on this 1st half moneyline.. which I find highly doubtful. This book is a forum book... I haven't seen anyone complaining other than the OP. Sounds like, they were asleep at the wheel and may have had lopsided action and they found an out. That book is always screaming about how they have the most opinionated lines, now they acknowledge for them to offer a better price than Pinnacle it must be a "bad line"

Ask yourself this, do you think they canceled any Dallas 1st half wagers, or would have if they had any? Pretty easy to figure that one out.

However, they did cancel it before tip, I guess that makes it less of a blow.. but still a mickey mouse move, nonetheless.

[Richkas]

Its really simple. The line was off. No bet.

[raydog]

You guys are assuming BFC is telling the truth about 46 accounts emptying on this 1st half moneyline.. which I find highly doubtful. This book is a forum book... I haven't seen anyone complaining other than the OP. Sounds like, they were asleep at the wheel and may have had lopsided action and they found an out. That book is always screaming about how they have the most opinionated lines, now they acknowledge for them to offer a better price than Pinnacle it must be a "bad line"

Ask yourself this, do you think they canceled any Dallas 1st half wagers, or would have if they had any? Pretty easy to figure that one out.

However, they did cancel it before tip, I guess that makes it less of a blow.. but still a mickey mouse move, nonetheless.

5 cents or 10 cents better than pinny, you wouldnt think much of it. at the time of the bet it had to be at least 50cents lower which makes it a bad line in this circumstance. dude, get fukking real. ruca said he had other money on the game at -285. hours and hours later when he bet at bfc, nobody except pinny has a # lower than probably -320 and your telling me he didnt know he was betting a bad line? bullshit.

they handled it the same way most books would. bfc is just active with the forum so ruca started bashing them knowing they would respond.

[ProfaneReality]

Ray..address this, you seem to be working overtime on both sites..

01-25-09, 11:59 PM #1 betfirstclass
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PINNY VS B-F-C
Let me state for the 333rd time

PINNY = BEST BOOK ON PLANET

and you get Better Lines/Juice there 90% Time

That said this UFC Fight One hour ago

PINNY CLOSES @ -831

B-F-C CLOSES @ -650

so, the math Genious that was comparing our expected Hold % VS Pinny's on The M-L of Superbowl, please provide us the exact some mathematically comparison on the 2 lines above please

ANYONE that Bet FABER - 650 & WON-easy feel free chime in

[ProfaneReality]

-265 is not a BAD line... it is lazy, slow, imcompetent bookmaking.

[raydog]

i dont disagree that it shows incompetence, but as the line rises, yet the ml goes down, its a bad line and every bettor in the world knows it. its that simple


fukk, ill copy and paste what i wrote over there to biggamer... its really not that hard to explain


biggoof, it amazes me how much guys run their mouths, yet know so little about the business. the mma match is a huge mismatch that involves the best fighter in that weight class, thats why the number is so big....okay, follow me so far??? i dont want to lose you.

ask anyone and they will tell you that when pinny lays a -800 favorite on an mma fight, the favorite is not going to lose. thats why most books place limits on fights as well. so if pinny is laying -800 on a favorite, who will only lose if someone in the crowd shoots him, it makes good business sense for a small book like BFC to beat pinnys #. it makes the book look better. its not rocket science boys. BFC offers a better price on a match that they firmly expected to lose(if the fav is bet by everyone) and they look better to the bettors.

like the BFC guy said, they will also offer a better price on a huge hoops dog sometimes. in this case, they dont expect to lose if someone bets the dog and they gain respect from bettors for hanging a better line. really, its not that hard

[AgainstAllOdds]

Couple questions here.

1.Does ray for for BFC. It seems like he does but I was not aware of this.
2. Were the bets immediately canceled after say the start of the second half or how long after? If they waited until the game was over, it would seem like a freeroll.

We dont like freerollers around here.

[Deuce]

Bad line, books can do as they wish, pull the panties out of the crack of your asses, chalk it up as a loss in your head and move on. You did not lose shit. You have what you started with.

[raydog]

Couple questions here.

1.Does ray for for BFC. It seems like he does but I was not aware of this.
2. Were the bets immediately canceled after say the start of the second half or how long after? If they waited until the game was over, it would seem like a freeroll.

We dont like freerollers around here.

meatball, you know damn good and well that i have no stake in BFC. i dont even use them. rumor is they payout fast, but have shitty numbers. i dunno, ive never even seen the website.

the bets were canceled a full hour before the game even started.

ive dealt with human error as well as software errors. this is a cut and dry case of guys seeing a bad line and dumping their entire accounts on it.

[Thor4140]

5 star u need to say u are sorry. all bets paid.

[The Judge]

There is no question that BFC had every right to cancel the wagers two hours prior to the game and then every attempt was made to notify the players of this decision. The posted line at the time the decision was made was an average of 90 cents off ffom what was widely available at other shops and the volume and size of the wagers that were placed is indicative that the players were perfectly aware of this and were looking to take advantage of the situation.

Regardless, the Denver ML wagers have been reinstated and the players' accounts have been credited accordingly. However, it needs to be said that this is primarily a decision that is being made out of regret for some things that were said last night and should in no way be considered a change of heart regarding the keystroke error made by the BFC clerk. Our position has always been and will continue to be that BFC has the right to cancel any wagers involving obvious line errors and this is how we will conduct our business in the future.

I have no intention of discussing this matter with those that do not believe that we had the right to cancel the wagers as it serves no purpose whatsoever. Bottom line is that it is our position that we do indeed have this right and in the future, our customers can expect to see a similar response when we discover that we have posted a bad number.

[SBR Lou]

The Judge,

What time was the 1H moneyline of -265 hung?

[HedgeHog]

Our resident stiff tries to help someone else who got stiffed?

[raiders72002]

It's not a bad line. Look at the percentage that it was off.

[sickler]

this is a cut and dry case of guys seeing a bad line and dumping their entire accounts on it.

Or could be guys seeing an opinionated line and betting into it. This shop (BFC) prides itself on having the occasional opinionated line. They (Mikey)boast about it.

Looks like a case of being slow with a line move, damage control being cancel all wagers. Maybe Lou's question will be answered. It's important in the scheme of things.

[diogee]

It's not a bad line. Look at the percentage that it was off.

Correct...265 is 72% of 365 meaning that the line was only 28% lower than it was meant to be....would be nearly the same as a -150 being -110.

[michael777]

they are a shit book run by crooks,stay far away guys,they have stiffed many people

[HedgeHog]

5-Star's thread is kind of like a rapist complaining about other rapists.

[diogee]

5-Star's thread is kind of like a rapist complaining about other rapists.

5* wasn't the one that bet it...thread pulled from across the street but yeah 5* has been gambling on bases and just had a "30" unit play on LA in game 2 but won't make a payment.