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  • austintx05
    SBR MVP
    • 08-24-06
    • 3156

    #1
    My Betting Manifesto
    I posted this last Sunday and I got some good feedback on it, so I figured I would post it here. Just a different outlook on Sports Betting.

    My Goal: Double my bankroll in a season.

    1. Establish a bankroll.
    2. Flat Bet
    3. Reduced juice books/exchanges are a must

    Here is how it works. Once a bankroll is established you must be consistent. No doubling up, no chasing 2nd half plays. None of that. This is a business and you are investing, just like the stock market, just like any business does. I don't bet on games because they are on TV, I bet on them because I believe I have greater than a 50% chance of winning. Anytime you have grasp of an edge greater than 50%, then your in business.

    Flat betting is key. We all know how it works, the game you put the least on wins and the game you put the most on loses. Your record stands at 1-1, but you are down money. The idea of parlays, teasers to me are sucker bets, just in a different form. There is always one game you teased the wrong way and the last leg of your parlay loses. It has happened to the majority of bettors. Simply put, the average bettor is looking to make X-Dollars today, while I am looking at making X-Dollars over the course of a season. Would you rather make $1k tonight or $10k within a 90 day period? The choice is pretty obvious to me. Here is where Reduced Juice comes into play.

    Reduced juice books/exchanges allow even the average bettor to maximize their profits even their losses. Lets compare.

    2% -- 10%
    Starting bankroll $100k
    Record (58%) 58-42 -- 58-42
    Win $ at 10k per $580,000 -- $580,000
    Loss $ at 10k per $428,000 -- $462,000
    Profit $151, 000 -- $118,000


    That is the difference right there. If you can go 58% there is a monumental difference in profits when you have reduced juice, so much so that you would have to go 60% at 10% juice just to match it. I realize that this is a very aggressive way to approach this and that if you go 0-10 you are done, but this is the most sound way to go about reaching an aggressive investment goal.

    The average bettor who loses their shirt every week will tell you that the "house" has the edge and that you cannot make money sports betting, but I have shown above that with a $100k bankroll, hitting at only a 58% clip you make $151,000 profit. Not bad for doing what you love.

    The example above is more for a comparison on juice and to show how much getting the lowest possible vig is crucial. Lets break the system down in its most simple form.

    $100k bankroll
    1 unit = 10%
    10% = $10k
    The Goal = +10 units
    +10 units = 100% profit

    This is why you flat bet. Wager the same amount on every play and once you have reached the goal you have doubled your bankroll. You now have the option to set a new goal or just cash out for the season. This is entirely up to the individual bettor based on his confidence level.
  • Hoja Verdes
    SBR MVP
    • 08-23-06
    • 1403

    #2
    If you want a case study on why not to bet 10% of your bankroll on each game, go back to the first 3 weeks of college football (threads should still be a few pages back) and see how some of the top posters on this board fared. They've all dug out of the hole now through sound money management, but using your system they would have busted.
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    • Dark Horse
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-14-05
      • 13764

      #3
      Many good thoughts.

      Doubling a bankroll or better is definitely possible, but it probably won't happen each year. Fluctuations happen even from season to season. Just as some summers are hot and some are not. Example: I'm up for the NFL this year, but not as much as I would have expected based on the past. For some reason a number of my systems underproduce this season.
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      • JDK192
        SBR High Roller
        • 09-14-05
        • 145

        #4
        10% is very aggressive. Chances are sooner or later you will go 0-10 during a certain stretch. I can remember 2 such occasions when this has happened to me. No matter how good your handicapping is, sometimes the ball bounces funny.

        Even if you don't ever go 0-10 you will go 0-5 or 0-6. This happens to every good handicapper. And after that happens you'll need discipline to stick with your plan. It's just natural to lower your bets when this happens and most likely you'll win your next 5 but only regain half of what you lost.

        My advice is to drop it to at least 7%-8% of bankroll, which is still really aggresive but it will be hard to go bust because it would be very difficult to lose 13 straight.
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        • austintx05
          SBR MVP
          • 08-24-06
          • 3156

          #5
          This is what works for me. One Saturday of NCAA action will get 3-4 bets tops. I am very selective. Posted I am +15 units for the year. But you have ot realize my bankroll is not rent money. It is an amount that I have set aside that I am willing to risk to reach a reward. I thank you for the words of caution, but I am not like the people you are talking about. Most of my wagers are what you coudl refer to as sharp, I am not a square bettor. Although I am learnign, I am lucky to say that my worst day so far this year was 1-2. This is what works for me. It is aggressive and I realize that most will not see eye to eye this way, but this is how I make my living.
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          • TLD
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 12-10-05
            • 671

            #6
            Some sensible suggestions mixed with some common myths. (The latter would include that flat betting is always better than varying bet amounts, and that parlays and teasers are “sucker bets.”)

            Probably a beginner who followed this advice would do better than the typical beginner does, but for anyone at even an intermediate skill level as a sportsbettor this would not be an advisable approach.
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            • durito
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 07-03-06
              • 13173

              #7
              10% of your bankroll is too much to play on any one game.

              I also disagree about flat betting.

              If you think game A has a 55% chance of covering and game B has a 63% chance of covering, you should be betting more on game B.
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              • austintx05
                SBR MVP
                • 08-24-06
                • 3156

                #8
                I couldn't disagree with you any more.

                How is Game A beter than Game B?

                You might have a better "feel", but regardless you do not know the outcome. Sure if you put more on Game B and it hits, then regardless the outcome of Game A you are still + money, but if Game B loses, then you are down money despite the outcome of Game A.

                I appreciate the opinion and realize that how I approach it, is not how most do. It works for me. I don't play 300 games a season, its too up and down. But if you are disciplined with your money, you can win. Based on the example of having a 100K roll, you can achieve a 100% return in due time. I cannot stress enough that this is an amount of money that you can afford to lose. Not rent. Not lunch money.

                Don't want to make that big of a deal with it, but realize it is a different outlook than the norm. You may disagree, but at least be open to it.

                But I also realize that a lot of bettors do this for recreation. I don't bet a game for fun. I bet on a game that I feel I have better than 50% chance of winning. I view it as a business and therefor I approach it as one. My goal is the overall big picture, not the upcoming weekend.
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                • Dark Horse
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-14-05
                  • 13764

                  #9
                  Any player playing percentage systems would leave money on the table by flat betting. The ability to grade bets can definitely be learned.

                  I agree that 10 percent is too high. Even if you bet only three games a day, like you mentioned, that would open you up to losing 30% of your bankroll on any 0-3 day. You do that twice in a row and you're psychological baggage will definitely have increased. Three times in a row will almost wipe out your bankroll. I don't know any pro that hasn't lost ten in a row.

                  Also, one way to lower risk is by playing more games, because this will neutralize fluctuations and allow percentages to settle down to where they should be according to percentage-based systems.
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                  • austintx05
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-24-06
                    • 3156

                    #10
                    You guys are cracking me up. Just realize how I do it. I have proven that I am not going 0-10. But I do not play an entire season. I play until I have reached my goal.
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                    • TLD
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 12-10-05
                      • 671

                      #11
                      Crack up all you want. I’m happy for you that not only is it impossible for you to have an 0-10 run, but you’ve even proven it.

                      But if and when you have a greater understanding of these matters you will realize that those who see flaws in your suggestions are not doing so because they are closed-minded toward approaches that are a product of “a different outlook than the norm,” nor because they are only “doing this for recreation” and not to make money like you, nor because they are only interested in “the upcoming weekend” rather than “the big picture.”
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                      • austintx05
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-24-06
                        • 3156

                        #12
                        Thanks for the comment TLD. It is not impossible for me to have a 0-10 run. But I have confidence in how I pick games to believe that I will not go 0-10. Anything is possible
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                        • austintx05
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-24-06
                          • 3156

                          #13
                          Now that we have had a good discussion here, I want to disclose some info. This is not my Manifesto. Some know an online poster by the name of "vanzack" It is more of a model than anything really. Mapping out how to achieve your goals. The 10% was used just for the model.
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                          • JoshW
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 3431

                            #14
                            Some of the sharpest guys I know have lost ten games in a row many times or say 2 wins out of 20 games. When I bet I am generally on what I consider the right side and have still had losing streaks of 15 games.

                            There are better numbers guys on here. But I think you would have to have a true edge of 65% on -110 to be betting 10% and I don't think those kind of edges exist over the long term.

                            I don't mind a guy wanting to bet 10% of his bankroll for action, but those who propose it as a legitimate amount to bet as a money making system, are not doing themselves or anyone else any good.
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                            • austintx05
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-24-06
                              • 3156

                              #15
                              The vig is a whole different debate. I would never pay 10% vig. Why? When I have Pinnacle, Matchbook & Mansion offering 3% or less? I guess the second part of this subject has to do with pricing. You make your money by reducing your vig.
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                              • durito
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 07-03-06
                                • 13173

                                #16
                                There's a few big problems here:

                                First, you say you pick any game you think has a better than 50% chance of covering. Even at -105 odds, you will have to win 51.2% of your bets to break even.

                                Second, at 10% of your bankroll per game. Even if you are a 58% handicapper, there is a .48% chance of you going 0-10 in any given 10 games. That's not a real high percentage, but over time a very real possibility.

                                If you are only playing 3-4 games a week, thats about 55 a year approx. With a starting bankroll of $100,000 and an objective of $200,000, playing $10,000 a game over 55 games, you have a 20% chance of hitting your goal and a 15% chance of going broke.

                                If you cut that bet size in half, your odds of going broke over 55 games go down to less than 1%. Obvisouly your odds of doubling up go down quite a bit as well.

                                I do think doubling up is very possible in a good season, but you need to be playing more like 150-200 games a year a betting not much more than 6% of your bankroll on your biggest games.
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                                • austintx05
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-24-06
                                  • 3156

                                  #17
                                  Good thoughts durito...I do appreciate it.
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                                  • tennis28
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 02-06-06
                                    • 44

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by austintx05
                                    You guys are cracking me up. Just realize how I do it. I have proven that I am not going 0-10. But I do not play an entire season. I play until I have reached my goal.
                                    HAHA, how can one prove that? That's the dumbest thing i've read in a while. You are bound to fail at this, as all of your posts are severely mis-informed and incorrect. Your philosophy that you should flat bet bc you can never say that one game is a 63% play and another is a 55% play is crazy, that's akin to saying you have NO IDEA what your chances are in a given game. Additionally, and this is the best part, is that you say you bet when you have >50% chance of winning, when the BREAK-EVEN point for -110 is 52.4%. LOL.
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                                    • austintx05
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-24-06
                                      • 3156

                                      #19
                                      I do not pay -110 for starters.

                                      I can have an idea that a certain play is stronger than another, but I do not know the outcome. Therefor I do not want to put a higher amount on 1 play and a smaller amount on the other.

                                      When I make a bet it is because I feel based on the line I have better than a 50% chance of hitting. And your right, I cannot prove that I cannot go 0-10, but like I stated earlier I feel confident enough in my capping ability to not go 0-10.
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                                      • Dark Horse
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-14-05
                                        • 13764

                                        #20
                                        Allow me to point out that you're missing the point.

                                        Your confidence should be based on your winning percentage, not on how many winners or losers you can pick in a row. Let's say that you will play a total of 5000 bets in the next ten or twenty years, and that you're winning percentage is 60%. Translated to 'balls', you would have 3000 red balls and 2000 blue balls that you pick from a bag. You don't have influence over the order in which you will pick the balls. All you know is that, in the long run, you will be a winner. As long as you can survive losing streaks, that is. If you put 10% of your bankroll on each ball, you are letting greed dictate reason, and will more than likely pay for it.

                                        Since you haven't realized this before, you are making quite a claim about you doing this for a living, as opposed to us doing this just for fun.
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                                        • austintx05
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-24-06
                                          • 3156

                                          #21
                                          I get your drift. Makes sense too. I stated last week I am in the transition of doing this for a living. I would say the profit I make off of wagering equates about 55% of my income. Unfortunately I still have a day job. I guess I was just looking at the quick picture of going +10 units, but not the long haul. Thanks for the explanation
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                                          • pags11
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 08-18-05
                                            • 12264

                                            #22
                                            austin,

                                            I follow much of the same business model...years ago we talked about the importance of reduced juice wagering, money management and limiting your plays later in the season as the lines get tight (especially in college football)...

                                            it really is good to have you around the forum bud...just stay away from that tacomax dickhead...GL...
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                                            • austintx05
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 08-24-06
                                              • 3156

                                              #23
                                              thanks buddy
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                Austin it is a matter of time you get destroyed. It might not happen for another 2 years but it will happen and lose all your side money for gambling. It is simple to go 0-10, 2-19, ect its just a matter of time and you will be sick when it happens and then you do not know if your going into a chase mode after that even though you say your disciplined. I have seen guys like you loses houses and cars and they were just like you and thought "oh know not me, I stop once I lose my bankroll". Gambling is no different than a cocaine habit.
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                                                • austintx05
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 08-24-06
                                                  • 3156

                                                  #25
                                                  Yeah, I am starting to see everyone's point of view here. I think what I am going to do is cutback in the 3%/unit range. I started crunching some numbers based on the model in my first post and I think playing at a smaller %/unit betting more games would give me a significant adv $ wise even if I was only hitting at a 55% clip.

                                                  Thanks for all the feedback, you guys have helped me to learn something.
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                                                  • Sam Odom
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 10-30-05
                                                    • 58063

                                                    #26
                                                    Good luck kid, get back to us this time next yr and let us know how you're doing
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                                                    • austintx05
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 08-24-06
                                                      • 3156

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                      Good luck kid, get back to us this time next yr and let us know how you're doing
                                                      So I tried to learn something and you want to take a shot at me?
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                                                      • Sam Odom
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 10-30-05
                                                        • 58063

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by austintx05
                                                        So I tried to learn something and you want to take a shot at me?
                                                        No... Sorry I was inept in what I wanted to say.

                                                        My point: Will take a min of 12 months to see how good you are at capping and in reality will take a few yrs.
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                                                        • austintx05
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 08-24-06
                                                          • 3156

                                                          #29
                                                          Well this is my second year sports betting.
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                                                          • Sam Odom
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 10-30-05
                                                            • 58063

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by austintx05
                                                            Well this is my second year sports betting.

                                                            Good for you, you made it a full yr
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                                                            • hanco21
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 01-19-06
                                                              • 3414

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by austintx05
                                                              So I tried to learn something and you want to take a shot at me?
                                                              First I must say congrats to your success. We all have hot streaks and unfortunately cold streaks no matter how good of a handicapper you are. There are very few players that are successful and yes money management is key. Just keep plugging away and if watch your money you will be just fine. Good luck with your bets.
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                                                              • austintx05
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 08-24-06
                                                                • 3156

                                                                #32
                                                                Thanks hanco
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                                                                • jjgold
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                                  • 388179

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Sammy takes shots at everyone. I challenged him to a fight last year and even offered to fly to his house and he said no way.

                                                                  Austin good move lowering your bet values.
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                                                                  • Sam Odom
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 10-30-05
                                                                    • 58063

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                    Sammy takes shots at everyone. I challenged him to a fight last year and even offered to fly to his house and he said no way.
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                                                                    • Dark Horse
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 12-14-05
                                                                      • 13764

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Austin, if you're determined enough you'll get there. Good that you're thinking about these things.

                                                                      You know, just as you will lose ten in a row, so you will win ten in a row. You can play around with this, if you consider a small portion of your bankroll as play money. Let's say you take 5 or 10 percent of your bankroll and divide it into ten 'seeds' of $100 each. Whenever you have a very strong bet, bet it in one or more of your seed strings. The idea is to only cash out if you win ten in a row in any seed string. Using a no-vig model: 100 -200-400-800-1600-3200-6400-12800-25600-51200-102,400.
                                                                      The reward after ten wins is pretty sweet, and this still leaves you with 90 to 95 percent of your bankroll for normal betting.
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