Relief Pitching Horrific

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  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388208

    #1
    Relief Pitching Horrific
    blown lead after blown lead

    MLB is a watered down product
  • pavyracer
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 04-12-07
    • 82667

    #2
    Would you rather see all games end up 1-0? Then you will be bitching that no one can hit in MLB. It's a watered down product.
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    • Otters27
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 07-14-07
      • 30761

      #3
      Rockies Dodgers
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      • astro61200
        SBR MVP
        • 09-15-07
        • 4843

        #4
        Not watered down, managers just refuse to use their best relievers in pressure situations or how they should be used. They stick with "closers" because they have been closers in the past, regardless of if they're very good or not. They also focus way too much on L/L or R/R match ups instead of just looking at who is better against which hand.
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        • Brock Landers
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 06-30-08
          • 45367

          #5
          In other news, water is wet.

          When has relief pitching been good?
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          • Chi_archie
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-22-08
            • 63182

            #6
            relief pitchers pitch 44% of all innings pitched now

            you see more specialization and thus more appearances and more different relievers used in the games. 30 years ago it was not odd at all to see both starters get a complete game, both the winner and the loser and it might be a 8-10 score game.

            whereas starters use to blow more games and get blown out, now more relief pitchers blow small leads because you see them pitching more.
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388208

              #7
              Too many pitching changes and it's killing the game and killing their team performances
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              • The Giant
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-21-12
                • 21480

                #8
                Originally posted by Chi_archie
                relief pitchers pitch 44% of all innings pitched now
                That's kind of a shocking stat.
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                • Chi_archie
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 07-22-08
                  • 63182

                  #9
                  1980 top 10 complete games


                  1. Langford <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(OAK)</small> 28
                  2. Norris <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(OAK)</small> 24
                  3. Keough <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(OAK)</small> 20
                  4. Gura <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(KCR)</small> 16
                  John <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(NYY)</small> 16
                  6. Clancy <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(TOR)</small> 15
                  7. Haas <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(MIL)</small> 14
                  Rogers <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(MON)</small> 14
                  Stieb <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(TOR)</small> 14
                  10. Wilcox <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(DET)</small> 13
                  Zahn <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(MIN)</small> 13
                  Carlton <small style="vertical-align: inherit;">(PHI)</small> 13

                  in 2015 there were a total of less than 90 total complete games by ALL starters in MLB

                  4 was the highest by any one pitcher
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                  • Chi_archie
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-22-08
                    • 63182

                    #10
                    so far only 5 total Complete games this year
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                    • Chi_archie
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-22-08
                      • 63182

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      Too many pitching changes and it's killing the game and killing their team performances

                      last year Starters ERA across MLB was 4.11

                      last year Relievers ERA across MLB was 3.71

                      do you think the Starter's numbers would go down if they went the 3rd and 4th time through the lineup when they were tired...
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                      • astro61200
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-15-07
                        • 4843

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chi_archie
                        last year Starters ERA across MLB was 4.11

                        last year Relievers ERA across MLB was 3.71

                        do you think the Starter's numbers would go down if they went the 3rd and 4th time through the lineup when they were tired...
                        Get out of here with your logic! JJ will have none of that (literally, he'll just ignore you and make another generic comment)
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                        • jjgold
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-20-05
                          • 388208

                          #13
                          another terrible day

                          so many blown leads
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