lakers game had to be fixed

[Flyers09]

jazz covered spread, they played like crap all game...please can someone correct me if i am wrong, i hope im wrong

[yisman]

backdoor covers don't mean the games are necessarily fixed.

[tullamore]

I dont know about fixed, I just wish there was some consistency with the way fouls are called. I have no clue what a foul is in the NBA, certain players can do whatever they want while others cant breath on a player. Its aggravating to watch even if I dont have money on the game.

[frostno98]

I had the Jazz in the 2nd, but way too many missed FT from the Lakers in the Last five minutes. Lakers could of covered this game easily.

[Mac4Lyfe]

The chit happens too many times for it not to be fixed, especially when it goes against the betting majority. Line of 12 goes to 11. 2nd half play peeps went with Lakers, Books made a killing tonight. Just have to wonder what's David Stern's cut.

[tullamore]

I had the Jazz in the 2nd, but way too many missed FT from the Lakers in the Last five minutes. Lakers could of covered this game easily.

I thought the game was poorly reffed but some of this sh1t evens out, Lakers miss FT's, Jazz couldn't get a foul called on the Lakers.

[The General]

Everyone on the court knows the odds and they keep that in mind IMO. Just saying. I have no clue about fixing games.

[Flyers09]

something was said before or during the game to not have a 12.5 diffirential....somebody paid some one

[Flyers09]

ok let me change my words, NOT fixed, but like the General said, they know the odds and they know ppl who have money on the game

[tullamore]

If one thinks the game was fix in the Jazz favor, then why were the refs calling tehnicals on the Jazz.

[The General]

I thought the game was poorly reffed but some of this sh1t evens out, Lakers miss FT's, Jazz couldn't get a foul called on the Lakers.

I know it may get old me saying this, but win or lose bets, longterm gamblers, we win and lose the same way on wagers. Sometimes it goes our way, sometimes it doesn't.

[frostno98]

It's not fix, but I can guarantee you Utah is more than happy to prove Vegas that they are not a 12.5 point underdog. And they're probably more than happy to screw Lakers backers and reward the faithful Utah backers.

[Flyers09]

If one thinks the game was fix in the Jazz favor, then why were the refs calling tehnicals on the Jazz.

im saying the players, not refs....it just didnt seem right in that last quarter, i understand they were all tired....but missing FT?

[tullamore]

im saying the players, not refs....it just didnt seem right in that last quarter, i understand they were all tired....but missing FT?

I hear what you are saying the ending sucked, I had the over 105.5 2nd half. Those miss FT's hurt me a bunch. On the other hand the Jazz went close to 3 full minutes not scoring at the end.

[bettilimbroke999]

I thought it was a shocking comeback but it was mainly bc when they were up 20 they brought in bench players who didn't play any defense, also if the game were fixed for the Jazz they wouldn't be calling technicals on Sloan and Price in the 4th and they would've called a hell of a lot more fouls on the Lakers so they would've never gotten up by 20+, they dont fix games by letting a team get up 21 with 6 mins left then pray the Jazz bench players shoot themselves back into a +12 backdoor cover so imo not fixed that's just the NBA its fukin tough

[Flyers09]

i just saw some stats loosk like the Jazz came back in the 4th quarter of every game that series....wow

[Dark Horse]

i just saw some stats loosk like the Jazz came back in the 4th quarter of every game that series....wow

Exactly. The Lakers relax too early. Once the air is out of the balloon it's very hard to get it back in. Utah came close to stealing this game, but the refs swallowed their whistles at the end when Utah players were obviously getting fouled near the basket. Sloan was 100% right to complain about this. If there was a fix, it was for the Lakers to get to the next round (and to the finals).

I don't like this zebra crew, especially Steve Javie, so stayed away. The game would have qualified for an OVER for me, if it hadn't been for the combined O/U records of these three refs: 57.5% towards the UNDER. Of course, not calling shooting fouls would help that 'cause'.

[BobHarvey]

I'm ranting about this in another thread but after tonight and especially the last minute, I'm convinced more than ever that the NBA is a sucker bet. There's just too many unanswered questions in a majority of the games.

And it's not like I lost a ton on the game...but it's just this stuff keeps happening whether I'm a game or not.

[DaProfessor23]

Vegas just hit the motherload . from what i see everyone and there mother bet this game [ rightfully] lakers should have coverd just alot of missed free throw in last 5 mins . unlucky , and for future reference i would not recommend taking the lake minus double digits . they never seem to cover with there weak 4th quarter defense

[BobHarvey]

Vegas just hit the motherload . from what i see everyone and there mother bet this game [ rightfully] lakers should have coverd just alot of missed free throw in last 5 mins . unlucky , and for future reference i would not recommend taking the lake minus double digits . they never seem to cover with there weak 4th quarter defense

I really thought the Lakers had learned to "finish" after the Utah game the other night. I blame Jackson for not getting the starters back in as soon as Milsap went on his 11-0 run.

Out of curiousity does anyone know who was supposed to be guarding Milsap?

[Famou$ $wag]

You think these players give a chit about the spread...they couldnt care less or care to be involved in fixing games....THEY MAKE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS...all they want is a win and a ring....why risk screwing that up

[jsmithj88]

theres no fixes dudes
if u have been following this series, u have seen the lakers blow big leads every game except for game 4
so for this to happen, is it really a surprise???

now its a fix....riiiiight
is it still a fix if u had bet on utah?
do u kno how many people need to be paid off for this game to be fixed?
u gotta pay the refs, the coach, the players
i dont think so dudes

[Sin City Sharp]

You think these players give a chit about the spread...they couldnt care less or care to be involved in fixing games....THEY MAKE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS...all they want is a win and a ring....why risk screwing that up

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

Do you know how much someone would have to pay a millionaire NBA player to fix a game? And then, do you know how much more than that they would have to bet in order to make it worthwhile?

[The General]

theres no fixes dudes
if u have been following this series, u have seen the lakers blow big leads every game except for game 4
so for this to happen, is it really a surprise???

now its a fix....riiiiight
is it still a fix if u had bet on utah?
do u kno how many people need to be paid off for this game to be fixed?
u gotta pay the refs, the coach, the players
i dont think so dudes

If there is one, then there are others and more prominent others.

Tim Donahue Fixed NBA games ATS

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ei=Pqb2SdbxCY3GM-_p4bgP&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=tim+donahue+nba&spell=1

Maybe not this game, though.

[jsmithj88]

we all kno about donahue
it takes more than 1 ref to fix a 20+ point lead to 11
u gotta pay the entire ref crew, the starting lakers lineup and the entire jazz bench

[The HG]

If there is one, then there are others and more prominent others.

Tim Donahue Fixed NBA games ATS

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ei=Pqb2SdbxCY3GM-_p4bgP&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=tim+donahue+nba&spell=1

Maybe not this game, though.

This reminds me of my "mice in the house" theory - if you see one mouse, it means you have 8. If you see 2, it means you have 50.

[BobHarvey]

we all kno about donahue
it takes more than 1 ref to fix a 20+ point lead to 11
u gotta pay the entire ref crew, the starting lakers lineup and the entire jazz bench

I don't agree. You only needed to fix the last minute. Go back and read the play by play. Missed free throws, technical fouls and a meaningless foul with six seconds to go? Your not at all curious about it?

The Lakers blowing a lead was not a surprise. They've done it all year and in this series. Phil Jackson let the Jazz back into every game with his "lack of interest" and attempt to prove his bench will be a factor in the playoffs.

Blowing the lead, not a surprise. Blowing the cover like they did makes me curious.

I'm a big guy, I can accept losing a bet and I'll repeat what I said earlier. I didn't have much on the game. But it's the way it finished, that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Hmm. I would think the Feds and the NBA offices would be monitoring the NBA quite a bit after the Donaghy disaster.

[OvertimePlease]

hasnt everybody realized that all sports are rigged?

[jsmithj88]

like i said before
do u realize how many people have to be paid off for there to even be a chance for a fix?
u gotta pay phil for putting in the fixed player/s
u gotta pay the fixed player/s
all the refs need to be paid
u gotta jerry sloan to put the fixed player/s in
u gotta tell them to foul at the rite time
u gotta tell them to miss or hit FTs at the rite time

on and on and on..... makes less and less sense to pay all these people and not get caught
not possible.
no fixes.

[BobHarvey]

Hmm. I would think the Feds and the NBA offices would be monitoring the NBA quite a bit after the Donaghy disaster.

You'd think wouldn't you. I've got a lot more questions tonight than I do answers. Here's another one. Does a game like this raise eyebrows at the league office or do they reall care whether a game lands at -12 or -11 or -11.5? Or because of the Donaghy scandal are they paying closer attention?

[madmaxx]

sometimes these scrubs at the end of the game look like they are doing shit on purpose but they just suck. even the bottom of the bench players make too much to listen to some guy trying to give them what would be chump change to ensure one side covers.

when youre on the winning side its your lucky night, losing side the game is fixed.

[MonkeyF0cker]

All I know is if I were going to fix a game, it wouldn't be close to the spread. I wouldn't be depending on someone to miss or make a shot in the last 10 seconds.

[BobHarvey]

sometimes these scrubs at the end of the game look like they are doing shit on purpose but they just suck. even the bottom of the bench players make too much to listen to some guy trying to give them what would be chump change to ensure one side covers.

when youre on the winning side its your lucky night, losing side the game is fixed.

I can't agree with that either. I've taken MORE than my share of losses from bad beats to blowouts. I never suspected fix until tonight. This was just way too fishy or fisher for me.

[The HG]

All I know is if I were going to fix a game, it wouldn't be close to the spread. I wouldn't be depending on someone to miss or make a shot in the last 10 seconds.

Right, it's hard to imagine the fixers fixing the game less than 100%, quantifying their edge on the fix, and implementing a Kelly-based betting strategy based on their likelihood of a win.

On the other hand, just because something is stupid doesn't mean that someone wouldn't try to do it. I'm not familiar with the details of the Donaghy case, but I have a feeling those fixes were not perfectly thought-out either.