Kalamazoo shooting

[blackHIPPY]

Guy shot eight people killed 6 and was arrested Alive

https://t.co/6ka5lPTfBW

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/us/michigan-kalamazoo-county-shooting-spree/

[jjgold]

guns

simple solution

ban them

[pavyracer]

guns

simple solution

ban them

JJGOLD stupid posts at SBR

Simple solution

Ban him

[blackHIPPY]

everybody has a gun at this point
can only hope you got yours on you when something like this happens

[Grits n' Gravy]

A real shame that people lose their lives because someone is a nut job.

[jjgold]

it is getting worse

many shootings in Vegas the last week

People just taking guns out and firing..shootout in GOLD COAST CASINO 2 nights ago

[Grits n' Gravy]

it is getting worse

many shootings in Vegas the last week

People just taking guns out and firing..shootout in GOLD COAST CASINO 2 nights ago

saw it in sun. More disturbed about the 2 ladies who killed babies in their bootleg day care centers.

[jjgold]

saw it in sun. More disturbed about the 2 ladies who killed babies in their bootleg day care centers.

Yes that is sick

Gritter there was shootout behind Panorama Towers a few nights ago

Two ladies in 20's gunned down because of fight on strip

[The Kraken]

Odds you accidentally shot and kill yourself or someone else with a CCW is much greater than actually using it to prevent a crime when it's needed

PACO's ordeal was nearly a 1 in a million type of scenario

[pavyracer]

People with CCW are very good shooters Kraken. These are the people who know about gun safety and visit the range weekly for practice shooting.

The ones that are careless are the twats with illegal guns that carry them like gangsters for crime purposes.

[The Kraken]

While I agree Pavers, I don't think it's about being a good shooter, it's about accidents, or leaving the gun out and a child getting it.

I say that as I have CCL in multiple states, but I think it's just fact. It's beyond rare that someone carrying a gun ever has to pull it. It's just a false sense of security IMO

But in general, I agree with your statement

[jjgold]

many accidents happen at gun ranges each year
many gun owners idiots with gun safety

[ACoochy]

PACO's ordeal was nearly a 1 in a million type of scenario

Something that seemed lost on the entire forum...

[frostno98]

Didn't surprised me one bit it was another crazy white guy. As usual the white dudes always do the massacre's.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Odds you accidentally shot and kill yourself or someone else with a CCW is much greater than actually using it to prevent a crime when it's needed

PACO's ordeal was nearly a 1 in a million type of scenario

bullshit, just being legally allowed to carry prevents crime itself, you don't even have to draw, if people think you may be armed they will look for an easier target, i.e. A school or "gun free zone"...you just have to be smarter than an inanimate object and you will be ok...

[ACoochy]

bullshit, just being legally allowed to carry prevents crime itself, you don't even have to draw, if people think you may be armed they will look for an easier target, i.e. A school or "gun free zone"...you just have to be smarter than an inanimate object and you will be ok...

Bwhahaha you truly don't believe its that simple do you??

[unde0087]

Didn't surprised me one bit it was another crazy white guy. As usual the white dudes always do the massacre's.

ya because there isn't any homicides in the ghettos or anything. One white guy shoots up a couple people and it makes national news, meanwhile that exact thing happens 50 times a day in every major city in ghettoville but that's none of my business

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Bwhahaha you truly don't believe its that simple do you??

How many "mass shootings" have taken place at a gun range or gun show?

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Bwhahaha you truly don't believe its that simple do you??

Your country had already stripped your rights so I don't expect you to understand this...

[ACoochy]

Your country had already stripped your rights so I don't expect you to understand this...

Thats funny because last time i checked almost anyone could still own a firearm where i live...

Dont you go getting all dumberican on me now surferman...

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Thats funny because last time i checked almost anyone could still own a firearm where i live...

Dont you live down under? Caliber, Capacity limits, registration...how many hoops do you have to jump through? Can you carry handguns openly or concealed around town?

[unde0087]

Surf just stop, cooch is anti gun, it's a waste of time to argue between each other, just agree to disagree

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Just fighting the good fight(on sbr, I know lol)...i don't mind spending a few seconds to respond, usually I'm taking a shit or killing time so it's no big deal...im not trying to change anyone set in their beliefs but if someone is reading that is on the fence, I just want them to have both sides of the argument..

[ACoochy]

Dont you live down under? Caliber, Capacity limits, registration...how many hoops do you have to jump through? Can you carry handguns openly or concealed around town?

Yeah there's limits ie nothing high powered, permits and police are strict on ensuring your firearm is locked away securely in its own gun cabinet.

No way you can carry around openly or concealed. BIG jailtime if you get caught doing that...

Basically unless your a criminal then most people simply see no need to want to own a gun for protection as the necessity simply doesn't exist surfer....

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

I just searched Australia gun laws and people are talking about carrying sticks and bats and knives...good gawd!

i do believe if it ain't broke don't fix it, if it works for you guys then more power to you but you can't really expect the rest of the world to follow by example..and trying to convince us citizens to adapt the same laws is more of a waste of time than me responding...

[unde0087]

Just fighting the good fight(on sbr, I know lol)...i don't mind spending a few seconds to respond, usually I'm taking a shit or killing time so it's no big deal...im not trying to change anyone set in their beliefs but if someone is reading that is on the fence, I just want them to have both sides of the argument..

I know all about it, I have been down that road myself.

[ACoochy]

I just searched Australia gun laws and people are talking about carrying sticks and bats and knives...good gawd!

i do believe if it ain't broke don't fix it, if it works for you guys then more power to you but you can't really expect the rest of the world to follow by example..and trying to convince us citizens to adapt the same laws is more of a waste of time than me responding...

Of course

You lot were founded on war and slavery. Is like comparing apples to oranges

I mean gun rights are in the constitution but when you dont have a mass murder at the hands of a firearm for over 20 years then get back to me and tell me how it doesnt work...

GL surfer

[Extra Innings]

Odds you accidentally shot and kill yourself or someone else with a CCW is much greater than actually using it to prevent a crime when it's needed

PACO's ordeal was nearly a 1 in a million type of scenario

Not quite, I can pull a story a day of a firearm saving a life. http://bearingarms.com/category/guns-saving-lives (small sample).

I think the sad part of PACO's story is everybody stood around and did nothing, except him. The victim would have been dead in a "gun-free" zone. And good for him that he had enough restraint not to put a bullet in her head because it was justified.

[unde0087]

Of course

You lot were founded on war and slavery. Is like comparing apples to oranges

I mean gun rights are in the constitution but when you dont have a mass murder at the hands of a firearm for over 20 years then get back to me and tell me how it doesnt work...

GL surfer

Cooch, Oct 2015, guy shot up some people outside a daycare but it didn't make headlines as Obama was just praising your country and he was pushing his gun banning.

[ACoochy]

Cooch, Oct 2015, guy shot up some people outside a daycare but it didn't make headlines as Obama was just praising your country and he was pushing his gun banning.

If your referring to the paramatta incident then yeah 1 police officer was shot dead at close range as was the attacker himself by police.

Constituting that as a mass murder is stretching the definition just a little...

Imagine how much damage the guy could've done if he had access to a high powered semi auto assault rifle??

[Extra Innings]

If your referring to the paramatta incident then yeah 1 police officer was shot dead at close range as was the attacker himself by police.

Constituting that as a mass murder is stretching the definition just a little...

Imagine how much damage the guy could've done if he had access to a high powered semi auto assault rifle??

Much more than a low powered assault rifle. Does the Hectorville Siege Count? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege

[ACoochy]

Much more than a low powered assault rifle. Does the Hectorville Siege Count? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege

I guess it does EI...

Still, 1 in 20 years compared to 1 on average every day...

I know where id feel safer pal...

[Extra Innings]

I guess it does EI...

Still, 1 in 20 years compared to 1 on average every day...

I know where id feel safer pal...

Eh, just busting your balls. I think you're right. Still love my guns but I think your right. This incidents over her in the United States keep things lively (no pun intended) for us Americans
Have a good week pal.

[unde0087]

If your referring to the paramatta incident then yeah 1 police officer was shot dead at close range as was the attacker himself by police.

Constituting that as a mass murder is stretching the definition just a little...

Imagine how much damage the guy could've done if he had access to a high powered semi auto assault rifle??

In 2015, guy kills two people outside a police station, 2 months later a guy takes hostages in a cafe in Sydney kills two of them before police could take him down. Before that:
At Monash,*seven people were shot(two fatally) by a murderous student who was armed with multiple handguns. All six handguns were acquired legally. *The attacker was later determined to be mentally ill.
The*Hectorville siege that saw seven people shot*(three fatally) was conducted with a shotgun that was legal under Australian law. The attacker in this incident was also found to be mentally ill.
The*Hunt family murders*were likewise carried out with a legally-owned shotgun. The murderer in this instance was thought to be highly stressed due to his wife’s head injury

No matter what laws are in place people who want to kill others will find the tools they need whether legal or not. No matter what country they live in or how proud you are of your countries laws compared to others. As long as there is fuked up people in this world this stuff is going to happen. That's all I am trying to say.

[Jayvegas420]

I dont know cootcher. Because we're sheltered from these types of incidents ( due to our countries gun laws) maybe that's why we shouldn't judge.
I am happy that virtually nobody in my country carries a gun however, if I lived in the United States where virtually everyone has a gun I truly believe I would want one too. And I'd like to believe I would use it responsibly like Paco.