Just thought I'd check to let you guys know that I already feel safer, knowing SBR'ers are on the case.
Thanks for your service gentlemen!
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#912
Originally posted by eidolon
There about 7+ conspiracy theories of why/how 9/11 happened. Yet, they don't connect and work with each other to actually paint a picture. Quit playing with feces, open the door, and come to reality.
If you look up dov zakheim, that might help with part of the puzzle.
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#913
Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
A lot of great posters at SBR. Not arguing with any of them.
I'm just saying... I just find it unusual that 2 huge buildings came crashing down like free fall speed. No pause. No tilting. Just straight down? Why not just collapse halfway down? Or... have a part of the building break off and fall to the ground below?
I would imagine if this jet fuel caught fire.... melting the beams... why didn't the building just tilt and fall on other structures?
It just came down too perfectly in my eyes.
Your last sentence should be the same for everyone. Not everyone is rational.
Cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive dissonance.
Many people suffer from it.
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#914
Originally posted by JIBBBY
We all saw that conspiracy theory debunked on the Cable channels already.. It was clearly explained by a master engineer that at the time the trade center building came tumbling down, more and more weight was pushing down on the weak points of the structure crushing and giving way at those exact points... Yes it looked like well placed, spaced and timed explosions but in reality it was just weak points in the structure that failed systematically between floors..
It's not a conspiracy theory, and people tend to use that phrase too freely.
It's a conspiracy only to those who cannot think for themselves.
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BiTeMe UsAdOj
SBR Hall of Famer
08-18-11
7537
#915
fried cheese... while your earnestness can somewhat be appreciated (as misguided as your conclusions still are), at least you do more than looney tune sourtwist does with his lame nonsensical one liners (which, in turn, lead him to get further buried in subsequent posts... but hey, he had a near mental breakdown recently so perhaps his lameness can be excused):
Anyway, you posted a link to a biased website all-in on the 9/11 conspiracy cottage industry (forget the supposed non-profit aspect of it and do your due diligence on the amount of money it generates, and for who): The real irony here is you conspiracy guys are the real sheep buying bogus stories on unproven theories... and you buy them hook, line & sinker so... very... easily. This irony does make me chuckle a bit, I must admit. The sheep calling others sheep, is, as the iconic commercial says: PRICELESS.
If you're serious about getting to the real truth and not just being a sheep to unproven theories, peruse these links:
Contact with an owner of debunking911.com domain name.
As far as my Franklin quote and your silly comeback about classified info... c'mon, man... you're obviously smarter than that. The quote isn't literal and certainly doesn't apply to a small group of professionals dealing in classified information (duh, that should be recognized to be stipulated... HELLO). The quote was used to speak to the overall idea that it would take literally THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of people, from emergency personnel to law enforcement to news media to health care professionals to witnesses and on & on & on to perpetrate a conspiracy/hoax of the magnitude of, oh, say the SB terrorist shootings. Anyone that thinks all those thousands of people can be controlled in lockstop to continue a conspiracy/hoax this large is ... *drumroll* ... a loon.
BTW, I don't think you're a loon, just seriously misguided.
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#916
The biggest loon is the one calling everyone else a loon. If you don't get my one-liners, you certainly won't understand an in-depth explanation for things that should be obvious without any words. Explanations for bitemypussydoj are not warranted. You're too foregone to bring you to an awakening.
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JIBBBY
SBR Aristocracy
12-10-09
83691
#917
None of these events will ever fly as a conspiracy theory in my eyes when these events happened in front of public masses, on camera and with live media coverage happening in real time..
Chance of a conspiracy theory being just that of any sort like mentioned on this thread are extremely unlikely..
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fried cheese
SBR MVP
09-17-13
4460
#918
Originally posted by JIBBBY
None of these events will ever fly as a conspiracy theory in my eyes when these events happened in front of public masses, on camera and with live media coverage happening in real time..
Chance of a conspiracy theory being just that of any sort like mentioned on this thread are extremely unlikely..
how likely is that that all the major terrorist attacks have drills for that exact event going on at the same day/time in the same city/actual location?
9/11- norad drills for planes being hijacked and flown into the wtc buildings with phantom planes on the radar and our defense planes chasing phantom enemies during the attack.
london subway bombings- in london at the same time and day at the same stations drills were being conducted for trains and buses being bombed
paris shootings- multi-site attack exercise conducted the day of the attack in paris
boston marathon bombings- drills on the same day at the same event for a bomb in the same place it was detonated
sb shooting- drills for active shooters at a nearby college 2 days prior, swat team drills during the time of the shooting nearby, and they conducted drills about once a month at the very building that was attacked (seems pretty excessive).
as for you saying wt7 falling at freefall speeds was explained i would like a link please. im not saying its not possible under perfect circumstances for a plane to bring down the towers but they wouldnt fall symmetrically and as fast as they did. wtc7 was not even hit by a plane and fell at exactly freefall speed for 8 stories.
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Kermit
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
09-27-10
32555
#919
So if all of these recent shootings are just fake false flags with emergency crews carrying out and attending to dummies, what is the purpose for them? I keep hearing gun control, but I am not seeing any results.
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eidolon
SBR Hall of Famer
01-02-08
9531
#920
America knew and was ready for Japan's Pearl Harbor bombing.
Neal Armstrong never landed on the moon.
There were actually 15 different "Osama Bin Laden's" on the different videos.
Abraham Lincoln was actually killed by his wife.
George Washington was actually a woman.
Jesus Christ actually had 5 wives.
Muhammad didn't like little girls.
The Torah was written by Aristotle's Great Uncle.
Da Vinci was part of a secret society that helped hide the truth about Catholicism.
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fried cheese
SBR MVP
09-17-13
4460
#921
Originally posted by Kermit
So if all of these recent shootings are just fake false flags with emergency crews carrying out and attending to dummies, what is the purpose for them? I keep hearing gun control, but I am not seeing any results.
i never said the deaths were fake. powerful ppl who run the major banks/corporations/politicians need an enemy if they are going to keep convincing ppl that the government needs to spend trillions on our military/intelligence/law enforcement. the pentagon has 8.5 trillion dollars unaccounted for and nobody cares much about that because we are under attack.
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JIBBBY
SBR Aristocracy
12-10-09
83691
#922
Originally posted by eidolon
America knew and was ready for Japan's Pearl Harbor bombing.
Neal Armstrong never landed on the moon.
There were actually 15 different "Osama Bin Laden's" on the different videos.
Abraham Lincoln was actually killed by his wife.
George Washington was actually a woman.
Jesus Christ actually had 5 wives.
Muhammad didn't like little girls.
The Torah was written by Aristotle's Great Uncle.
Da Vinci was part of a secret society that helped hide the truth about Catholicism.
You forgot to complete the entire picture - since everything is a hoax I might as well tell the rest of the story..
It's aliens that are responsible for all our technical advances in this century including the creation of the internet and weapons of mass destruction... The Aliens also are instructing our leaders to carry out these horrible acts to create a balance needed for our own human survival in some master plan.. God is instructing the Aliens..
Don't worry though as it will all be over soon as the Aliens are secretly prejudice against all humans because of our continued ignorance and complete unwillingness to live in peace together on this planet....
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#923
Originally posted by JIBBBY
None of these events will ever fly as a conspiracy theory in my eyes when these events happened in front of public masses, on camera and with live media coverage happening in real time..
Chance of a conspiracy theory being just that of any sort like mentioned on this thread are extremely unlikely..
An event is not a conspiracy theory,and none of what has been spoken about qualifies as theory. Your post makes no sense whatsoever.
For the only part of your post that I can even try to answer due to your lack of understanding, I can tell you that the media coverage that you seem to trust is actually what gives a reasonable person the idea that this shooting is nothing but a bullshit story.
Explanation of why we are fed the lies...that most of you will believe
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Jayvegas420
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
03-09-11
28213
#926
In one respect, I'd like Twister to stop posting so i don't get that dirty embarrassed feeling, like watching a comedian bomb, or an American idol audition fail.
But then I think, how am I gonna feel good about myself if he stops?
What will I laugh at if he refuses to post.
I'm quite divided here. What should I do?
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fried cheese
SBR MVP
09-17-13
4460
#927
Originally posted by BiTeMe UsAdOj
fried cheese... while your earnestness can somewhat be appreciated (as misguided as your conclusions still are), at least you do more than looney tune sourtwist does with his lame nonsensical one liners (which, in turn, lead him to get further buried in subsequent posts... but hey, he had a near mental breakdown recently so perhaps his lameness can be excused):
Anyway, you posted a link to a biased website all-in on the 9/11 conspiracy cottage industry (forget the supposed non-profit aspect of it and do your due diligence on the amount of money it generates, and for who): The real irony here is you conspiracy guys are the real sheep buying bogus stories on unproven theories... and you buy them hook, line & sinker so... very... easily. This irony does make me chuckle a bit, I must admit. The sheep calling others sheep, is, as the iconic commercial says: PRICELESS.
If you're serious about getting to the real truth and not just being a sheep to unproven theories, peruse these links:
Contact with an owner of debunking911.com domain name.
As far as my Franklin quote and your silly comeback about classified info... c'mon, man... you're obviously smarter than that. The quote isn't literal and certainly doesn't apply to a small group of professionals dealing in classified information (duh, that should be recognized to be stipulated... HELLO). The quote was used to speak to the overall idea that it would take literally THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of people, from emergency personnel to law enforcement to news media to health care professionals to witnesses and on & on & on to perpetrate a conspiracy/hoax of the magnitude of, oh, say the SB terrorist shootings. Anyone that thinks all those thousands of people can be controlled in lockstop to continue a conspiracy/hoax this large is ... *drumroll* ... a loon.
BTW, I don't think you're a loon, just seriously misguided.
i looked at your links. the middle one is the only one that addresses the freefall speed of wtc7. he says "There were a few seconds at near free-fall during the exterior collapse. But that is to be expected from a very tall structure with very little lateral support". he just states that it is expected but gives no examples or any computer models. he then demonstrates a can being crushed by a person? yea if the moon fell on wt7 i would expect it to collapse at freefall speeds. a better example would be to poke some holes in one side of the can then put it in a fire and see how fast it will collapse and if it will collapse straight into itself or lean over.
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Mase of Base
SBR MVP
07-24-12
3622
#928
Originally posted by Jayvegas420
In one respect, I'd like Twister to stop posting so i don't get that dirty embarrassed feeling, like watching a comedian bomb, or an American idol audition fail.
But then I think, how am I gonna feel good about myself if he stops?
What will I laugh at if he refuses to post.
I'm quite divided here. What should I do?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion that's what makes this world a wonderful place. I'm certainly no conspiracy guy and find 99% of what they say kind of crazy shall we say. But any of us regular civilians thinking we're being fed the absolute truth about these events is rather naive imo.
I do find it frustrating that every western atrocity turns into a 'false flag' etc, it gets old. So every act of mass violence in the west is possibly a conspiracy but all those atrocious acts that happen elsewhere are legit? That kinda pisses me off.
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fried cheese
SBR MVP
09-17-13
4460
#929
Originally posted by Mase of Base
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion that's what makes this world a wonderful place. I'm certainly no conspiracy guy and find 99% of what they say kind of crazy shall we say. But any of us regular civilians thinking we're being fed the absolute truth about these events is rather naive imo.
I do find it frustrating that every western atrocity turns into a 'false flag' etc, it gets old. So every act of mass violence in the west is possibly a conspiracy but all those atrocious acts that happen elsewhere are legit? That kinda pisses me off.
there are lots of atrocities/fake revolutions that are caused by the cia in non western countries?
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#930
Originally posted by Mase of Base
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion that's what makes this world a wonderful place. I'm certainly no conspiracy guy and find 99% of what they say kind of crazy shall we say. But any of us regular civilians thinking we're being fed the absolute truth about these events is rather naive imo.
I do find it frustrating that every western atrocity turns into a 'false flag' etc, it gets old. So every act of mass violence in the west is possibly a conspiracy but all those atrocious acts that happen elsewhere are legit? That kinda pisses me off.
Keep in mind that there are an average of 87 deaths by guns on a daily basis, but none of those are covered by the media. If any of the shootings do get covered, most likely by local news, it doesn't go nearly the publicity that the ones thy control do. Hoax, false flag, whatever anyone wants to call the San Bernardino shooting is irrelevant. The truth is that the media changed their story, and that has been proven. It has also been proven that people will forget what they were told, and facts will be distorted by the media, and the people will fall for it. Not only will the people fall for it, but they will call the people who question authority by pointing out the lies things like Conspiracy Theorist, or loons. You can't make this shit up. People are so robotic they forget to use their brain. Intellect is hard to find, common sense has been torn to shreds. Not everyone is cut out for critical thinking, so they trust the people who they think are protecting them.
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Mase of Base
SBR MVP
07-24-12
3622
#931
Originally posted by fried cheese
there are lots of atrocities/fake revolutions that are caused by the cia in non western countries?
I wouldn't know? Any links I'll read though.
My point was it seems some an act of extreme violence happens in the west = possible conspiracy, everything else 'oh it's just violent over there'.
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#932
Originally posted by Jayvegas420
In one respect, I'd like Twister to stop posting so i don't get that dirty embarrassed feeling, like watching a comedian bomb, or an American idol audition fail.
But then I think, how am I gonna feel good about myself if he stops?
What will I laugh at if he refuses to post.
I'm quite divided here. What should I do?
Listen, if you have a problem with me, either ignore me or challenge me.
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fried cheese
SBR MVP
09-17-13
4460
#933
Originally posted by Mase of Base
I wouldn't know? Any links I'll read though.
My point was it seems some an act of extreme violence happens in the west = possible conspiracy, everything else 'oh it's just violent over there'.
im too lazy to find and link less conservative stuff
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Mase of Base
SBR MVP
07-24-12
3622
#934
Originally posted by sourtwist
Keep in mind that there are an average of 87 deaths by guns on a daily basis, but none of those are covered by the media. If any of the shootings do get covered, most likely by local news, it doesn't go nearly the publicity that the ones thy control do. Hoax, false flag, whatever anyone wants to call the San Bernardino shooting is irrelevant. The truth is that the media changed their story, and that has been proven. It has also been proven that people will forget what they were told, and facts will be distorted by the media, and the people will fall for it. Not only will the people fall for it, but they will call the people who question authority by pointing out the lies things like Conspiracy Theorist, or loons. You can't make this shit up. People are so robotic they forget to use their brain. Intellect is hard to find, common sense has been torn to shreds. Not everyone is cut out for critical thinking, so they trust the people who they think are protecting them.
Nice post, thanks.
I completely agree that we humans rely far, far too much on what we're are told by mainstream media is disgusts me also. You have to remember that these moguls are all about the the dollars i.e page clicks etc, so in the modern age they're going to post what they've been fed to get the scoop without actually doing any research into whether or not it's actually true.
Journalists are kinda scummy imo in the most part they'll sell anyone down the river for a story so to rely on them to report accurately on events that have barely happened is nothing to go off especially in hindsight when the actual story comes out.
I like your passion, while I don't agree with I think ALL of your theories I also don't agree with posters giving you a hard time whilst never really posting that much to discredit you.
My main point of this is please don't rely on some random reporter that doesn't know anything interviewing some guy that may or may not of even been there and then going back to that as evidence. Fark the amount these modern day 'journalists' quote random punters from twitter and facebook is utterly disgraceful.
Chur, I'll start reading now but prob tomorrow. Sorry I've given out my points for the day but either way I'll pay you as many as I remember for a week or so here for doing this whether I agree or not out of principle.
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sourtwist
SBR Hall of Famer
11-10-12
9364
#936
Mase I appreciate your post, and understand your point of view. Explaining yourself, and even your disagreement without taking the route of name calling should be the way every thread goes...
Ive found that since many of my views are not of popular opinion, my posts are dismissed regardless of what the context is. I happen to enjoy sharing my views and opinions, and the best part is watching people act in a way that shows just how shallow they can be. Maybe while disagreeing with me, and calling me names, they will reflect upon their thoughts and actually consider looking into the events that I have been critical of. I didn't always see things the way I do now, and I'm sure some of the people here that like to call me crazy I would have called crazy just a couple years ago too.
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Jayvegas420
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
03-09-11
28213
#937
No dude....
You're just crazy!
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Jayvegas420
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
03-09-11
28213
#938
[IMG] edit
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rkelly110
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
10-05-09
39691
#939
Originally posted by fried cheese
i think all the statements i made were facts except "the north and south tower also fell too fast and symmetrically". which were not?
i am not an engineer but there is a site with over 2400 engineers and architects agreeing that the wtc towers could not have fallen as they did.
you video didnt even address wtc7 at all or the rate of acceleration or symmetry the south tower fell at. one guy was quoted in it saying "it was very much like a controlled demolition when you look at it because the building fell almost vertically down as if someone had deliberately set blasts to take place to cause the building to fall vertically downward". the explanation was that the whole core in the north tower was compromised so it imploded in on itself. that argument is fine for the north tower but for the south they said the fires on one side caused the weakening so it should not have imploded into itself it should have fallen down at an angle.
another point that video makes is that the majority of fire proofing was knocked off by the plane crash because there is no way the steel could have been weakened enough in that period of time if most of it remained. even though the building was designed to be hit by planes multiple times, a larger plane will certainly take off most of the fireproofing? the lab director of UL (which certified the wtc steel) disagreed with that and the projected fire temperatures in the building and sent a letter to nist to clarify their position and was fired for that.
below is a picture of the floors that got upgrades to their fireproofing in the years prior to 9/11 and where the planes impacted.
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maybe the upgrade was taking it all off?
if you have a video which explains how a building can implode at freefall speeds without a controlled demolition please post it. and your quote is ridiculous otherwise there would be no point in classifying information.
Watched an engineer point of view documentary on discovery about the WTC's. Most of your article was what the
documentary says, but the WTC's were built differently than normal structures is what the documentary was saying.
Most buildings have their support on the inside. The WTC's had the outside as it's main support. Sorta like a truck
with a full frame (support inside) compared to a car with a unibody (support outside).
The WTC's had the elevator shafts in the middle. All structure was connected to those shafts with steel beams
to the outside structure which was it's main support.
Once the outside structure collapsed, it fell into itself because of it's construction. A normal built building
would've fell off the top like you said.
The buildings were made to withstand an impact of the size of aircraft at the time. They are much larger today.
Whoever planned the attacks had engineers advise, because those planes hit the corners at an angle to take out
multiple floors. Choosing overseas flights that had a full load of fuel. Knowing the fuel would burn for a long time
and the shear weight above would bring them down.
Don't forget, they tried this once before, only in the basement.
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rkelly110
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
10-05-09
39691
#940
It's also possible the steel could've been molten. It's windy at those heights. With jet fuel that burns extremely hot
and with wind making it hotter, like using bellows to heat metal, it could've melted steel to a liquid.
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recon1
SBR MVP
08-13-12
2579
#941
Originally posted by rkelly110
It's also possible the steel could've been molten. It's windy at those heights. With jet fuel that burns extremely hot
and with wind making it hotter, like using bellows to heat metal, it could've melted steel to a liquid.
Jet fuel is mix of gasoline and kerosene. Kerosene is a SLOW burning fuel and absolutely no-way in this world can a kerosene mixed fuel ever make steel dilute into a molten state, absolutely impossible.
In-fact when you see planes crash into building and see the fireballs do you know what the fireballs are? Thats the fuel being burned.
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jjgold
SBR Aristocracy
07-20-05
388189
#942
most people that cry conspiracy are not living in reality
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rkelly110
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
10-05-09
39691
#943
Originally posted by recon1
Jet fuel is mix of gasoline and kerosene. Kerosene is a SLOW burning fuel and absolutely no-way in this world can a kerosene mixed fuel ever make steel dilute into a molten state, absolutely impossible.
In-fact when you see planes crash into building and see the fireballs do you know what the fireballs are? Thats the fuel being burned.
Just showing a possibility of what your boy was saying the firefighters saw.
I'm sure if you know a firefighter that fights fires for a living, could attest to what fire can do to metal and that's w/o
the blast furnace effect.
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paco
SBR Aristocracy
05-07-09
62873
#944
2 more witnesses today saying they know what they saw. 3 tall athletic white men, not 1 brown and 1 small 90lb woman. But.....
Carry on
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MoeSedway
SBR Sharp
06-29-15
437
#945
Originally posted by paco
2 more witnesses today saying they know what they saw. 3 tall athletic white men, not 1 brown and 1 small 90lb woman. But.....
Carry on
Must have been Mossad/CIA operation, dude. Just another Jewish-controlled false flag to create 'Islamophobia' and paint poor Muslims in a bad light.