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  • obama our lord
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-24-08
    • 562

    #1
    Arguing With Liberal Assholes


    Arguing with liberals is a really tough proposition. I’ve engaged in many a debate with a large cross section of mainstream liberals. They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me. None of them want to even hear a conservative viewpoint, nor do they really want to debate or learn anything different from their own viewpoint.



    Liberals are largely unencumbered by burdensome hangups like history, facts or logic. This makes debate rather difficult because all their views are based almost entirely on how they FEEL, not that which is practical or realistic. This is often carried to the point of absurdity. In many cases, liberals will hold views that actually contradict their own views. Try and point out these obvious conflicts, and they resort to the aforementioned name-calling and slander. It’s a textbook liberal debate tactic.



    The worst of the pack will pull “facts” and “statistics” out of their ass, made up on the spot in an attempt to counter your argument. How can you engage in any kind of mature and educated discourse with folks in that state of denial? This kind of intellectual dishonesty doesn’t bother most liberals. In their way of thinking, the end justifies the means, and they’ll resort to some incredible heights of spin and factual distortion to make a point. Remember that there's a certain level of self-delusion at which the deluded party will simply slip further and further into fantasy land to support their view. If you meet one of these folks, it's better to simply walk away... fast. Many of the 9-11 conspiracy theorists fall into this category.



    Here is the single most important factor that you need to keep in mind when dealing with liberals...



    Most liberal viewpoints are about as detailed and profound as your average bumper sticker. “Stop Hunger”, “Free Tibet”, “Save the World” and other grandiose campaigns are far more complicated issues than they would ever care to explore. To a liberal, merely wearing the tee shirt or slapping on the bumper sticker means that they are somehow “helping”. In their eyes, the rest of us are “part of the problem”. As such, remember that the simple act of debating or disputing their views places you in their sights as "part of the problem". This is one of the main reasons for the contempt, hostility and outright vitriol that the liberal will throw in your direction.



    Whatever their pet issue, the solution is usually that “we’re not doing enough”. Remember... by “we” they mean YOU. Typical liberal agendas involve the federal government stealing obscene amounts of money from you, and then pissing rainstorms of cash onto the “problem”. This solution has never worked in the history of the mankind, and in fact makes most problems bigger. This is because the bottom feeders of society (also liberals) then flock to take the money. The fact that their ideas don't work doesn’t concern liberals... they have the bumper sticker, and they truly believe they’re “helping”.



    I now have approximately HALF of what I make confiscated in an infinite heap of taxes, fees, tolls and duties. The harder I work, the more the liberals want. If we examine our entire national fiscal history, the lower the tax rate, the better the economy, and the government actually takes in more money. At times when taxes are raised, the economy slows, and the government takes in less money. This doesn’t matter to liberals... don’t try to confuse them with facts and historical precedent. This is another case of them “feeling” that the hardworking folks among us should suffer and have any accrued wealth removed. Here's why...



    In the overly simplistic liberal mindset, there is a fixed amount of wealth in the world, and we are all engaged in a zero-sum game of trading that same wealth back and forth. Therefore, if I have “too much”, a liberal assumes that it’s my fault that someone else has less. Essentially, if I take an extra slice of pizza, some unlucky jerk is left gnawing on the box. This is a naïve, almost childish view of the world, and shows a complete and utter ignorance of how basic economics work.



    The fact is that wealth is NOT a zero-sum game. Wealth is CREATED every day through effort and ingenuity. It is in no way a static fixed pile that has to be shared. In simple terms, we can simply make more pizza. The ingredients of a pizza cost all of a dollar, but once combined in artful and knowledgeable proportions and then baked... VOILA... a $10 pizza is born! Ask a liberal if a painter should be forced to sell paintings for the exact cost of the paint and canvas, and the answer is, of course, NO WAY... (never mind that this is a perfect example of liberal views that contradict their own views).



    The reality here is that an artist uses his/her skill and knowledge to create new wealth from little or nothing. Most of the world does this exact same thing each and every day. By combining raw ingredients in new and artful ways, we all make our own “art”, whether you make pizza, computers, automobiles or sex toys, you are adding new wealth to the pile. While this may seem like a simple proposition to most people, liberals just can’t seem to grasp it. Why is this?



    Liberals are typically selfish, spoiled children. They want what other people have, but they don’t want to actually work for it. It’s much easier to throw tantrums and demand the “right” to share in what others have earned. Because of this outlook, most liberals bask in a perpetual state of imagined victimhood. Nothing is their own fault, and every woe in their life is caused by “society”... by “other people”... by “fat-cats” and “corporate greed”.



    In the selfish liberal mindset, they only need to “feel” like they’re helping. They won't actually do any of the work or give part of their hard-earned wealth. It’s very rare to see a liberal dig into their own wallet (but keep your hands on your own wallet when in their presence!). They’ll always insist that “we” are not doing enough, and then sit back on their soapbox and feel good about themselves.
    It's sad, but you'll never find a liberal who will suddenly have an epiphany and say, "Gosh... all my troubles seem to stem from the fact that I'm a lazy, Oprah-watching, couch potato who does nothing, produces nothing, and contributes nothing to society except snide remarks and veiled accusations about those who do all the work".



    In closing, I’ll simply point out that trying to argue with the self-imposed ignorance, selfishness and childish naïveté of the modern liberal is about as intellectually rewarding as a conversation with the family dog.


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  • wtf
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-22-08
    • 12983

    #2
    great post and mostly agree

    not to get too much off subject but i firmly believe there is not a chance on earth two planes brought down two towers exactly the same way, this has been confirmed by MIT professors

    i dont know who did it or whatever
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    • Mudcat
      Restricted User
      • 07-21-05
      • 9287

      #3
      Be glad anyone argues with you. You're basically on par with a street person standing on a corner, hollering about gamma rays from Pluto. I know you actually believe what you say just as much as the street person believes about his Plutonian gamma rays. And you feel like you have some really good arguments and you feel like you are making sense when you say them.

      But to a rational person - liberal, conservative, communist, whatever - you are just some poor sod who may or may not have a backwards "B" carved into his cheek, hollering about the need for aluminum foil helmets.

      Even you know you post a lot of nonsense. That's why you change your posting handle. You think you can disassociate yourself from past embarrassments.

      Yes, everyone is an asshole. No one sees the truth like you. There, there. Now, now.
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82829

        #4
        Go to hell asshole! Not you Mudcat.
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        • Mudcat
          Restricted User
          • 07-21-05
          • 9287

          #5
          From what I can see, he's already there.
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          • obama our lord
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 12-24-08
            • 562

            #6
            Something Every Obama Supporter Should Realize

            You call people assholes, but you genuinely are assholes. Not likeable assholes either such, as say, the professional wrestlers, but the kind of assholes people would like to smack in the back of the head with a shovel. Think of people like the fag from the USA beauty pageant or Rosie O'Donnel.

            I know this probably comes as a shock to you, but if you do some serious soul searching, you will realize I am right.
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            • wtf
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 08-22-08
              • 12983

              #7
              they wont ool

              they feel they are intellectually superior to you cause they dont agree with you and they have to resort to name calling like usual

              especially that burnt out loser mudrat
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              • obama our lord
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 12-24-08
                • 562

                #8
                The CIA's Questioning Worked -- Obama is making us vulnerable to attack




                In releasing highly classified documents on the CIA interrogation program last week, President Obama declared that the techniques used to question captured terrorists "did not make us safer." This is patently false. The proof is in the memos Obama made public -- in sections that have gone virtually unreported in the media.

                Consider the Justice Department memo of May 30, 2005. It notes that "the CIA believes 'the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.' . . . In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques." The memo continues: "Before the CIA used enhanced techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, 'Soon you will find out.' " Once the techniques were applied, "interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates."

                Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques "led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the 'Second Wave,' 'to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los Angeles." KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that "information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the 'Second Wave.' " In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.



                The memo notes that "[i]nterrogations of [Abu] Zubaydah -- again, once enhanced techniques were employed -- furnished detailed information regarding al Qaeda's 'organizational structure, key operatives, and modus operandi' and identified KSM as the mastermind of the September 11 attacks." This information helped the intelligence community plan the operation that captured KSM. It went on: "Zubaydah and KSM also supplied important information about al-Zarqawi and his network" in Iraq, which helped our operations against al-Qaeda in that country.



                All this confirms information that I and others have described publicly. But just as the memo begins to describe previously undisclosed details of what enhanced interrogations achieved, the page is almost entirely blacked out. The Obama administration released pages of unredacted classified information on the techniques used to question captured terrorist leaders but pulled out its black marker when it came to the details of what those interrogations achieved.



                Yet there is more information confirming the program's effectiveness. The Office of Legal Counsel memo states "we discuss only a small fraction of the important intelligence CIA interrogators have obtained from KSM" and notes that "intelligence derived from CIA detainees has resulted in more than 6,000 intelligence reports and, in 2004, accounted for approximately half of the [Counterterrorism Center's] reporting on al Qaeda." The memos refer to other classified documents -- including an "Effectiveness Memo" and an "IG Report," which explain how "the use of enhanced techniques in the interrogations of KSM, Zubaydah and others . . . has yielded critical information." Why didn't Obama officials release this information as well? Because they know that if the public could see the details of the techniques side by side with evidence that the program saved American lives, the vast majority would support continuing it.



                Critics claim that enhanced techniques do not produce good intelligence because people will say anything to get the techniques to stop. But the memos note that, "as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, 'brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship." In other words, the terrorists are called by their faith to resist as far as they can -- and once they have done so, they are free to tell everything they know. This is because of their belief that "Islam will ultimately dominate the world and that this victory is inevitable." The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely.



                This is the secret to the program's success. And the Obama administration's decision to share this secret with the terrorists threatens our national security. Al-Qaeda will use this information and other details in the memos to train its operatives to resist questioning and withhold information on planned attacks. CIA Director Leon Panetta said during his confirmation hearings that even the Obama administration might use some of the enhanced techniques in a "ticking time bomb" scenario. What will the administration do now that it has shared the limits of our interrogation techniques with the enemy? President Obama's decision to release these documents is one of the most dangerous and irresponsible acts ever by an American president during a time of war -- and Americans may die as a result.
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                • Emily_Haines
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-14-09
                  • 15847

                  #9
                  Obama is a pussy for not putting those torturing pricks in prison where they belong. These CIA fukks have been breaking every rule in the book and now is a time to make them pay for their war crimes.
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                  • Willie Bee
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-14-06
                    • 15726

                    #10
                    Originally posted by wtf
                    they feel they are intellectually superior to you cause they dont agree with you and they have to resort to name calling like usual

                    especially that burnt out loser mudrat
                    Hypocrisy, thy name is wtf.

                    I do appreciate the laught today, wtf. Carry on and remember, the sheep says, "Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"
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                    • InTheHole
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 04-28-08
                      • 15243

                      #11
                      And you call yourself a Texan
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