Somebody knew something about Jake Arrieta...

**lakerboy** · 10-18-15, 08:22 PM

Yeah we watched his last game.

**jjgold** · 10-18-15, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by charcoalbbq

The dude must have drank with someone and maybe he was hung over.....somebody knew somehing.....line dropped all the way from +170 mets to +125 mets and it happens to be arrieta's worst performance of teh season

yes..everyone had Mets

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 10-18-15, 08:33 PM

it's called books putting out a bad line. they do that from time to time.

for this game, they were way off. this game opened at -180/+170. that's crazy.

**unde0087** · 10-18-15, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by charcoalbbq

The dude must have drank with someone and maybe he was hung over.....somebody knew somehing.....line dropped all the way from +170 mets to +125 mets and it happens to be arrieta's worst performance of teh season

What happened was he faced the Mets lineup

**ThaTopMoron** · 10-18-15, 08:50 PM

guy was "due" to get rocked

back to NFL thread now and Colts game...

**rpesi9955** · 10-18-15, 09:15 PM

Rocked is what he got.

**BennyBigNuts** · 10-18-15, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Yeah we watched his last game.

Even loserboy gets it.

**pavyracer** · 10-18-15, 09:50 PM

It's 40 degrees. Balls don't move over the plate anymore.

**RavensFan2k3** · 10-19-15, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by charcoalbbq

The dude must have drank with someone and maybe he was hung over.....somebody knew somehing.....line dropped all the way from +170 mets to +125 mets and it happens to be arrieta's worst performance of teh season

Or the fact maybe the fact that the line was -180!!

**TheMoneyShot** · 10-19-15, 01:01 AM

Opening line was -180? What?!?!?!

**Amadeo-Picks** · 10-19-15, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by charcoalbbq

The dude must have drank with someone and maybe he was hung over.....somebody knew somehing.....line dropped all the way from +170 mets to +125 mets and it happens to be arrieta's worst performance of teh season

If they would of come out with a line like -130 Cubs everyone would of jumped that. Syndergaard has been dominant at home all year. It was a no brainier to go with mets

**briedward** · 10-19-15, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

It's 40 degrees. Balls don't move over the plate anymore.

I would think that balls move better in cold air since the air is more dense.

**meader99** · 10-19-15, 12:14 PM

Perhaps it's because everyone knows his arm is falling off. He's closing in on 100 innings MORE this year than his career high of 156. They could shut him down, but it wouldn't matter as he's not getting another start this season anyway.

**bferony** · 10-19-15, 03:58 PM

And now im wondering if someone knows something about jacob degrom tomorrow

-125 seems low

**unde0087** · 10-19-15, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by bferony

And now im wondering if someone knows something about jacob degrom tomorrow

-125 seems low

It's because he has pitched better at home all season.

**bferony** · 10-19-15, 04:15 PM

Still he didnt pitch too badly last 2 in la

**unde0087** · 10-19-15, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by bferony

Still he didnt pitch too badly last 2 in la

His second outing in L.A. was a pretty rough one for him. He limited the damage but had to get out of some sticky situations. Let's just say he didn't look like the DeGrom we are used to seeing. But either way great price for who he is facing.

**pavyracer** · 10-19-15, 04:25 PM

He was telegraphing his pitches or Mets stole the signs. Yankees used to have a high powered camera looking at catcher's fingers and transmitting the plays to manager. That's why you see the manager grabbing his balls, pulling his ear lobs and itching his elbows before every pitch.

**Ralphie Halves** · 10-19-15, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

He was telegraphing his pitches or Mets stole the signs. Yankees used to have a high powered camera looking at catcher's fingers and transmitting the plays to manager. That's why you see the manager grabbing his balls, pulling his ear lobs and itching his elbows before every pitch.

How would the batter have time to look over at him and receive the info? He would have to do it during the pitcher's windup.

I think Arrieta is finally hitting a wall after a long season, or finally regressing to the mean, nothing more.

**d2bets** · 10-19-15, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

How would the batter have time to look over at him and receive the info? He would have to do it during the pitcher's windup.

I think Arrieta is finally hitting a wall after a long season, or finally regressing to the mean, nothing more.

His velocity was clearly down last start, lowest since April. He was throwing 93/94 instead of 96/97. It was noticeable. He still has secondary pitches to adjust and be decent, but clearly he had a tired arm. Whether he can regain or adjust, maybe, but the innings are taking a toll at the wrong time. It's not regressing to the mean.

**pavyracer** · 10-19-15, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Ralphie Halves

How would the batter have time to look over at him and receive the info? He would have to do it during the pitcher's windup.

I think Arrieta is finally hitting a wall after a long season, or finally regressing to the mean, nothing more.

He can look at the first base or third base coach from the corner of his eyes. There is at least 10 seconds between signaling by catcher and actual pitch throw. Usein Bolt can run the length of a football field in that time.

**Ralphie Halves** · 10-19-15, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

He can look at the first base or third base coach from the corner of his eyes. There is at least 10 seconds between signaling by catcher and actual pitch throw. Usein Bolt can run the length of a football field in that time.

It's way less than 10 seconds, but I can see what you mean by looking at the base coach. Still can't see it happening that way.

**Ralphie Halves** · 10-19-15, 05:57 PM

That was about 1 second.

**d2bets** · 10-20-15, 09:21 AM

Steam on Cubs today. Maybe somebody knows something about deGrom?

**44 Mag** · 10-20-15, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by bferony

And now im wondering if someone knows something about jacob degrom tomorrow

-125 seems low

He has faced the Cubs twice this year: 0-2 ERA 6.10. 10 innings pitched, 12 hits, 8 runs, 3 HR.

**d2bets** · 10-20-15, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by 44 Mag

He has faced the Cubs twice this year: 0-2 ERA 6.10. 10 innings pitched, 12 hits, 8 runs, 3 HR.

Yeah, and Hendricks has fared well against Mets. And Mets a mediocre road team.

**NrmlCurvSurfr** · 10-20-15, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by briedward

I would think that balls move better in cold air since the air is more dense.

using this logic would mean that a ball moving through water should move even better...

because the ball is going through a more dense medium, it requires more energy to attain the same speed and movement as a ball thrown in warm air. Now you know!

**KingJD31** · 10-20-15, 10:11 AM

No cespedes no conforto no daranoud no wright, but let's keep talking about the cubs season series against the mets. Also Jon niese pitched that gm

**ByeShea** · 10-20-15, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Yeah, and Hendricks has fared well against Mets. And Mets a mediocre road team.

Right. And what's DeGrom ever done on the road lately?

At this time tomorrow d2bets will be SBR's resident Red Sox historian.

**MoeSedway** · 10-20-15, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Yeah, and Hendricks has fared well against Mets. And Mets a mediocre road team.

Mets had the 4th best road record in the NL, 8th best in the majors, and went 24-7 on the road to close out the regular season.

They also broke the NL record for most consecutive road games with 3+ runs scored.

I'll take that kind of 'mediocre' all day long.