VEGAS: Back In The Game Officially ..Video

[KVB]

JJ, you have a lot of work to do if you are going to survive out west. I told you what to do with a rewards card and video poker.

I can teach a way to abuse the tables too. Last time at Tahoe, while playing craps, I had to explain what I was doing to every new dealer. I churned so much, properly, in Harrah's that they told me what I was doing messed up the way they tracked on my card. I laughed my ass off and they upgraded the card. We had a frank discussion for sure, but it's all good. The bosses caught on and starting changing the way I was getting credit, but the damage was done...Diamond Card renewal before half the year was over.



Tracking is more sophisticated and they basically don't use coins but watch and learn JJ...

[KVB]

[DiggityDaggityDo]

KVB what was your strategy at the craps table?

[jjgold]

good vids men

I have not made a sports bet yet

[Big Bear]

[itchypickle]

JJ apparently a wager at the Silver Sevens hit...9 team Parlay $60 won $22,400 yesterday. You need to find and follow or recruit this degenerate pal.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

JJ apparently a wager at the Silver Sevens hit...9 team Parlay $60 won $22,400 yesterday. You need to find and follow or recruit this degenerate pal.

[jjgold]

pickle wtf?????????????

JJ apparently a wager at the Silver Sevens hit...9 team Parlay $60 won $22,400 yesterday. You need to find and follow or recruit this degenerate pal.

[Jayvegas420]

There's a cigarette burn on event #4.
Ticket will be voided.

[itchypickle]

There's a cigarette burn on event #4.
Ticket will be voided.

That would suck

[jjgold]

I had $2000 on me and stared down a blackjack table but fought it off and walked 4 miles back home and bought a six pack of Schaeffer

[mcaulay777]

Loved that you walked JJ.I Think the key is movement.I work from home and could easily stay locked in my room all day. I found get a ipod download music and walk. I love the gym I just get on the treadmill and zone out and listen to music and sports podcasts.Then I get back to my room and work.I would think this would be perfect for gambling walk your block or at the gym and then hit the tables or sports book.

[jjgold]

Mcauley tremdous advice

No bets today

[KVB]

KVB what was your strategy at the craps table?

I put my self in positions to win. Basically I got on number on the Don't Pass, then bought the odds on the number. Once in place, a seven pushes and hitting the number gets paid. I had slight tweaks depending on the situation.

I basically turned a $10 craps table into a $5 craps table and many times had quite a bit out there per roll. Even though I had a lot out there, it was an illusion, I really had very little at risk.

Low variance, not going to win a ton quick and not going to go broke fast, but I churned many many points through about a dozen sessions. Each time I began with new bills. The time they finally said something, I had plenty of $25 chips in my pocket and only dropped $75 when I walked up to the table.




I'm just not sure what finally tipped them off but credits were harder to come by for the rest of the trip.

[Jayvegas420]

Did you mean to say the "don't come" line?

[jjgold]

I had my shot yesterday with Kershaw and chickened out.

I wanted to go all in

[KVB]

Did you mean to say the "don't come" line?

Yeah Don't Pass/Don't Come.

Same line.

Side note, I checked into one table in Harrrah's, dropped a couple of hundred down, they gave me chips and I went to place the don't pass/don't come bet and couldn't find it.

As I looked closer, I realized every number but 7 and 11 could be point. I asked the girls what the fuk was this? She says it's a new game called "No More Craps."

It's craps without the craps.

I took my big ass pile of $5 chips and walked away.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

No More Craps?

Wtf?

[Jayvegas420]

What's the gimmick?

[KVB]

On the first roll, a 7 or 11 wins, like normal.

EVERY other number becomes a point. You can take odds on those numbers, like regular craps, but I guarantee you are getting the short end of that stick.

[jjgold]

Going to play a poker tournament today $50 entry fee and the winner gets $3000 this would be a very good start

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Going to play a poker tournament today $50 entry fee and the winner gets $3000 this would be a very good start

Serious question: Do you know what beats what?

[DiggityDaggityDo]

<big style="font-size: 15px;"><big style="font-size: 18.75px;">Coming Soon to a casino near you!

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Craps No More is a casino dice game that is based on the more familiar game of Craps. In some locations the game is called No Craps Craps. I've only seen this game in the casinos of Missouri and Mississippi (and in various on-line casinos), but I suspect that it will soon be spotted all over once more gaming managers learn of its success.
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The major differences in Craps No More and "regular" Craps:</big></big>

• There is no Don't Pass or Don't Come betting area (no "wrong way" bettors)
• There is no betting against a number.
• On the come out roll the 2, 3, and 12 are not automatic losers. If one of these numbers is rolled they become the point
• On the come out roll a roll of 11 is not a winner. If an 11 is rolled it becomes the point.

<big style="font-size: 15px;"><big style="font-size: 18.75px;">The rules for Craps No More:

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A roll of 7 on the comeout is a winner for the pass line. Once a point is established (which is anything other than a 7 in this game) then the pass line wins only if the point is rolled again. If a 7 is rolled before the point then the pass line loses.


You can bet additional monies once a point is established (called a free odds bet). These additional bets on the point are payed at "true odds" (meaning the casino has no advantage on the wager). Most places allow you to bet anywhere from 2 to 100 times your original bet once the point is established. Free odds wagers pay the same as in regular craps with the additional wagers on the 2,3,11, and 12 now available. The 2 and 12 pay 6-1 and the 3 and 11 pay out at 3 to 1.


As in regular craps, the player may make a place bet or buy bet on any of the numbers that gets paid if that number is rolled before the seven. These are paid out at a percentage somewhat lower than true odds.


Craps No More offers all the standard proposition and one roll bets of a standard Craps game. People insistant on losing their money quickly can bet on the hard ways or on the ridiculously low paying one roll bets on the 2,3,11, and 12, Field, Horn or Any Seven.


Many players like this game because there are no "wrong way" betters at the table that are betting against the pass-line. Everyone at the table is hoping for the same thing. Everyone wins together when the dice are hot.


<big style="font-size: 15px;"><big style="font-size: 18.75px;">The House Edge of Craps No More vs "regular" Craps

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A standard Craps game has a house edge of 1.414% for a Pass Line better with no odds. I couldn't find any place on the internet that listed the house edge for Craps No More so I calculated the edge myself:


The probability of winning on the first roll is 1/6 or 16.667%


The probability table for the other points:



Point %roll win% %r*w%------------------------------------2 2.778% 14.286% 0.397%3 5.556% 25.000% 1.389%4 8.333% 33.333% 2.778%5 11.111% 40.000% 4.444%6 13.889% 45.455% 6.313%8 13.889% 45.455% 6.313%9 11.111% 40.000% 4.444%10 8.333% 33.333% 2.778%11 5.556% 25.000% 1.389%12 2.778% 14.286% 0.397%------------------------------------Total win% if point is est.= 30.642%Now we combine the probability of winning on the first roll with the probability of winning if a point is established.
(16.667% + 30.642%=47.309%).


47.309% probability of winning
52.691% probability of losing (100%-win%)
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-5.382% House Edge

This edge of 5.382% is much worse than the 1.414% edge offered by regular craps. This explains why the House Hold on this game is much higher. In a typical craps game the house hold is around 15% of the money bought into the table while the Craps No More hold has been closer to 45%. The house hold depends on a lot of other factors besides House Edge. It is affected by the amount of time a player stays at the game and on the speed of the game itself.


At casinos that offer 2 times odds the 5.382% house edge is lowered to ~2.01%. With 10 times odds the edge is lowered to ~.576% (Again I calculated these myself so help me out if these are wrong). This latter edge still beats most every other game in the casino except for the regular craps game, but you must remember to get this low of an edge you will have to wager 11 times the table minimum on each roll (which in most casinos in Missouri means $55). A very expensive game!


<big style="font-size: 15px;"><big style="font-size: 18.75px;">Craps No More "Optimal Strategy"?

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The "optimal strategy" for this game (like all other casino games): DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME! Take whatever chips you have remaining and cash them in at the cashier cage. Craps No More is not a beatable game using any strategy over the long run (barring cheating).


If perhaps you should find yourself "forced" (by gunpoint or coercion) to play this game then the optimal strategy changes somewhat. To get the lowest house edge you should bet the minimum on the Pass Line and take the maximum free odds allowed.


By taking the maximum odds you limit the house edge but you increase the variance in your bankroll. If you also want to minimize the variance while maintaining the lowest house edge then you should just place bets on the Pass Line and skip the free odds bet.

[KVB]

Serious question: Do you know what beats what?

1 pair 2 pair 3 of a kind...

JJ gonna get used, abused, and, just like the date the other night...refused.

[KVB]

Oh yeah, that's right, 11 is a point.

Optimal strategy...do not play.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

NO MORE CRAPS

[KVB]

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

1 pair 2 pair 3 of a kind...

JJ gonna get used, abused, and, just like the date the other night...refused.

... hopefully he brings a cheat sheet ranking chart w/him.

PRO TIP, goldy: Don't just play colors.

[jjgold]

At casino now

Drinking Beer and ready to play

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Coach, you said never drink in casino.

[KVB]

Those casino drinks can be very expensive.

So can that drunken poker game...

[jjgold]

OUT after 15 minutes

Went ALL IN WITH A-K SUITED
ENDED UP WITH 2 ACES..GUY BEAT ME WITH TWO PAIR

THEN BLEW 100 SLOT MACHINES

Current Bankroll $9,700

[DiggityDaggityDo]

[jjgold]

[Jayvegas420]

Never give up coach