Official Bernie Sanders for President 2016 thread

[The Kraken]

states and cities can easily take care of it. It isn't the 1970s anymore, time to stop acting like there is a need for the EPA when they accomplish nothing. They caused the Gold King mine leak, won't talk about it either, because they are incompetent and they in no way prevented Flint, MI because they are irrelevant(EPA) when it comes to prevention.

Who at the state and city level is going to enforce this?

The corporations and industries own the politicians in the cities and states they function in

Fracking is a great example. It will soon be strictly regulated or banned in Oklahoma and the only reason it's not yet is because Devon and Chesapeake own the law makers at both city and state level, well known

[Mr KLC]

[khicks26]

When fear becomes collective, when anger becomes collective, it’s extremely dangerous. It is overwhelming... The mass media and the military-industrial complex create a prison for us, so we continue to think, see, and act in the same way... We need the courage to express ourselves even when the majority is going in the opposite direction... because a change of direction can happen only when there is a collective awakening... Therefore, it is very important to say, ‘I am here!’ to those who share the same kind of insight. — Thich Nhat Hanh, Buddhist Monk, The Art of Power

I’ve been in deep despair these last few months about our political landscape. This quote from Thich Nhat Hanh recently elevated my spirit, and I share it with you. Because I am — we are — still here! Though it’s clear that the die is cast and that Clinton will win — that is, if you believe in numbers and materialism, but I don’t, not completely.

I enclose here (below) several recent articles, which you need to read to understand how difficult a situation we’ll be in if we continue with a harder-line version of Obama. Hillary Clinton has effectively closed the door on peace, blasting both the Palestinian peace process and the Russians in the same week. NATO is her god, the best thing the “exceptional” US has to export in this new “American Century.”

But who set this policy and who controls this country? Her point of view is steeped in the traditional post-World War II, Atlanticist, NATO-domination of the universe. It’s set in stone. No president it seems, no democratic vote, no dissenting media can alter this. We’re going to be in border, resource, and forever wars for the next 10, 20, 100 years, until Trump (who our shadow government will never allow to exercise power) actually said in his straight way of talking, “our cities go bust.” Our media has been drained and made callous by war, increasingly sensationalized by TV, looking for the next high in the next headline, the more outrageous the better. Modesty in American politics is dead — it’s better to be sensational.

Ironically, as they call Trump unelectable (which he is), it leaves you to think Clinton is the “new normal,” in which case you’ve been deceived by the unnecessary dichotomy that Clinton is actually “respectable” in the same way that Eisenhower/Dulles 1950s were respectable when we went about intervening and overthrowing governments in many countries. But the difference was they at least had the brains not to get into shooting wars. To suggest that NATO should’ve expired in 1991 when the Soviet Union disintegrated, I suppose, isn’t questionable anymore. NATO, which has expanded to 13 countries since 1991, must be supported and Clinton has been brainwashed by the neoconservatives to believe it’s about “Russian aggression” when it’s the United States that’s ensuring the greatest build-up on the European borders of Russia since Hitler did it in World War II.

We’re going to war — either hybrid in nature to break the Russian state back to its 1990s subordination, or a hot war (which will destroy our country). Our citizens should know this, but they don’t because our media is dumbed down in its “Pravda”-like support for our “respectable,” highly aggressive government. We are being led, as C. Wright Mills said in the 1950s, by a government full of “crackpot realists: in the name of realism they’ve constructed a paranoid reality all their own.” Our media has credited Hillary Clinton with wonderful foreign policy experience, unlike Trump, without really noting the results of her power-mongering. She’s comparable to Bill Clinton’s choice of Cold War crackpot Madeleine Albright as one of the worst Secretary of States we’ve had since ... Condi Rice? Albright boasted, “If we have to use force it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”

Hillary’s record includes supporting the barbaric “contras” against the Nicaraguan people in the 1980s, supporting the NATO bombing of the former Yugoslavia, supporting the ongoing Bush-Iraq War, the ongoing Afghan mess, and as Secretary of State the destruction of the secular state of Libya, the military coup in Honduras, and the present attempt at “regime change” in Syria. Every one of these situations has resulted in more extremism, more chaos in the world, and more danger to our country. Next will be the borders of Russia, China, and Iran. Look at the viciousness of her recent AIPAC speech (don’t say you haven’t been warned). Can we really bear to watch as Clinton “takes our alliance [with Israel] to the next level”? Where is our sense of proportion? Cannot the media, at the least, call her out on this extremism? The problem, I think, is this political miasma of “correctness” that dominates American thinking (i.e. Trump is extreme, therefore Hillary is not).

This is why I’m praying still for Bernie Sanders, because he’s the only one willing, at least in the name of fiscal sanity, to cut back on our foreign interventions, bring the troops home, and with these trillions of dollars no longer wasted on malice, try to protect the “homeland” by actually rebuilding it and putting money into its people, schools, and infrastructure.

Albert Camus, talking about the doomed Spanish Civil War in the 1930s wrote, “Men of my generation have had Spain in our hearts. It was there that they learned ... that one can be right and yet be beaten, that force can vanquish spirit, and that there are times when courage is not rewarded.” It’s true the light was extinguished for generations in Spain. America was sleeping, but it finally did the right thing and went to war against Fascism. I believe Fascism is still our greatest enemy and its face is everywhere in our so-called “democracies.” It was always about the moneyed interests that had the power. That is what Fascism is and that is the danger we are in now. Sanders talks about money, listen to him. He talks cogently about money and its power to distort. He’s the only one who has raised his voice against the corruption in our politics. Clinton has embraced this corruption.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oliver-stone/why-im-for-bernie-sanders_b_9576984.html

[TPowell]

Apparently the cool thing now is to pretend about how much money you make and support elitist candidates. I'll NEVER understand why people can't rally around Bernie Sanders. He's the only semblance of a guy that will actually work for the people. The guy isn't perfect, but what's wrong with raising taxes to actually benefit OUR country instead of spending trillions on wars in countries that will never be peaceful?

[jtoler]

Bernie's a fraud.

[DwightShrute]

[Andy117]

states and cities can easily take care of it. It isn't the 1970s anymore, time to stop acting like there is a need for the EPA when they accomplish nothing. They caused the Gold King mine leak, won't talk about it either, because they are incompetent and they in no way prevented Flint, MI because they are irrelevant(EPA) when it comes to prevention.

Pollution from one state with lax standards can affect states with actual standards. The EPA ****** up with Gold Mine but overall air quality and water quality is far better than it was 30-40 years ago.

[jtoler]

Cute Dwight, cute. How do I put in a request for you to make me a fake meme?

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A new poll shows The Donald in the lead among millennial GOPers, though plenty think his resume isn't up to snuff.

Young Donald Trump supporters are seen before he announced his bid for the presidency on June 16, 2015, at the Trump Tower in New York City.
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</header>Young Americans in 2008 overwhelmingly supported Barack Obama, a mixed-race candidate who pledged to bring together red-state and blue-state America. Now, they're favoring Donald Trump for the Republican nomination and Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nod, indicating that young people are becoming as politically polarized as the rest of the divided national electorate.
Those are the findings of a comprehensive poll of 18-29-year-olds by the Institute of Politics at Harvard University, which has been tracking the political and social views of young Americans for 15 years. The poll released Thursday shows that young Republicans favor Trump, who earns 22 percent support, while surgeon Ben Carson comes in a close second with 20 percent. The rest of the GOP field trails far behind, with none capturing more than 7 percent support.
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Among 18-29-year-old Democrats, Sanders – the independent Vermont senator who was polling at just 1 percent among millennials in an institute survey earlier this year – now leads Hillary Clinton by a 41-35 percent margin. Two-thirds of young potential Democratic primary voters said Sanders' self-identification as a "democratic socialist" made "no difference" in their decision whether to support his candidacy.

The poll also revealed an unmotivated and discouraged young electorate, a dramatic shift from the population that turned out in record numbers to help elect Obama in 2008. Only a fifth in the most recent poll said they consider themselves "politically engaged and active," a drop of 5 percentage points from the same stage of the election season four years ago. More than half say they are not following this election closely. "That certainly is a disturbing trend going forward," says Ellen Robo, a Harvard senior and the student chair of the poll. Perhaps most dramatically, 48 percent of the young people declared the American Dream "dead," with 49 percent calling it "alive."
While Obama captured about two-thirds of the youth vote in 2008, "that now seems like an historical outlier," says John Della Volpe, director of polling at the institute. "Young people now look more like the rest of America. In the last four [or] five years, we've seen them become more polarized. Democrats are moving to the left, and Republicans are moving to the right."
That theme played out on the wedge issue of the campaign, and one of Trump's signature proposals: building a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border. A minority – 43 percent – of 18-29-year-olds support building a wall, but the numbers stratify when broken down by party. Seven out of 10 young Republicans support a wall, according to the survey, compared with just 31 percent of Democrats. Hispanics were least likely to back the wall plan, with 27 percent in favor of it.
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Republicans, however, are losing ground to Democrats among young voters – mainly because of shifts by independents, Della Volpe notes. Some 56 percent of those polled said they want a Democrat in the White House in 2016, with just 36 percent preferring a Republican. The numbers represent a 5-point drop for the GOP since this year's earlier poll.
And even Republican voters aren't that confident about their top choices: Just 38 percent believe their own front-runner, Trump, is qualified to be president, and 43 percent think the same of Carson.
The poll was taken before Trump proposed banning all Muslimsfrom entry into the U.S., an idea that has been roundly criticized as racist and damaging to the nation's relationship with its allies. The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – who on Israel's Election Day warned that "Arab voters are coming out in droves" – tweeted recently that he rejects Trump's comments about Muslims.
Trump then postponed a planned trip to Israel, where he was set to meet Netanyahu, saying he would reschedule the visit to "a later date after I become President of the U.S."
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The poll also showed that support for ground troops to combat the Islamic State group rose to 60 percent after the Paris attacks – similar to the increase for such action after earlier beheadings of hostages by the extremists, Robo says.
But while young people may want boots on the ground, they are far less likely to volunteer to be in them: Just 16 percent before the Paris attacks (and 15 percent afterward) appeared willing to serve in a military action against the Islamic State group. Latinos were most likely to step up and volunteer to go overseas, with 22 percent ready to volunteer, compared with 14 percent of whites and 13 percent of African-American youth, the poll says.


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[khicks26]

Bernie's a fraud.

Why you say that man?

[jtoler]

Why you say that man?

Been saying it a while bro, I just dont say it here much because Id rather poke at all the Trump supporters. I have no respect of persons and I wish Bern was on the up and up, but it is what it is. Forget what he says, you shall know them by their fruit.

[The Kraken]

Been saying it a while bro, I just dont say it here much because Id rather poke at all the Trump supporters. I have no respect of persons and I wish Bern was on the up and up, but it is what it is. Forget what he says, you shall know them by their fruit.

One mans opinion



This is why we vote

[khicks26]

Been saying it a while bro, I just dont say it here much because Id rather poke at all the Trump supporters. I have no respect of persons and I wish Bern was on the up and up, but it is what it is. Forget what he says, you shall know them by their fruit.

What other choice do we have? I don't think the guy even wanted to run. When the empire falls would you rather have a president Clinton, Trump, or Cruz?

[jtoler]

What other choice do we have? I don't think the guy even wanted to run. When the empire falls would you rather have a president Clinton, Trump, or Cruz?

Neither really, but honestly if I was forced it'd be between Bernie or Trump. My concerns are just mainly foreign relations and I dont think either are representing themselves truthfully.

[khicks26]

Neither really, but honestly if I was forced it'd be between Bernie or Trump. My concerns are just mainly foreign relations and I dont think either are representing themselves truthfully.

Trump is clueless, as for foreign relations me or you could do a better job than Trump. I don't think Sanders is a war monger, he wants to fix the country first. Lets face it, if the shit house goes up in flames foreign relations don't mean shit.

I think he will look to work with foreign powers & hopefully not force US hegemony. He's pliable & listens to the people. I know he's not speaking out against the MIC, not sure why. Maybe because he knows, he will not be around long if he does it before being elected. As you say: you shall know them by their fruit.

Sanders is the only one in the race that maybe can not be bought or forced to play the game of neoliberalism.

Listen to the first 1/2 hour. This Bill Curry guy has a good take on the US shit show election.

http://ralphnaderradiohour.com/bill-curry-poetry-laura-flanders/

[KRIT]

I caucused for Bern last week. #feeldabern

[jtoler]

Trump is clueless, as for foreign relations me or you could do a better job than Trump. I don't think Sanders is a war monger, he wants to fix the country first. Lets face it, if the shit house goes up in flames foreign relations don't mean shit.

I think he will look to work with foreign powers & hopefully not force US hegemony. He's pliable & listens to the people. I know he's not speaking out against the MIC, not sure why. Maybe because he knows, he will not be around long if he does it before being elected. As you say: you shall know them by their fruit.

Sanders is the only one in the race that maybe can not be bought or forced to play the game of neoliberalism.

Listen to the first 1/2 hour. This Bill Curry guy has a good take on the US shit show election.


http://ralphnaderradiohour.com/bill-...aura-flanders/

I agree on that I cant trust Trump with that which is the reason my hand would have to be forced if I were to vote. But Bernie's voting record contradicts his pacifist rhetoric. Sanders has voted numerous times for various bombings and invasions that I dont agree with, there is sordid material about him on different things those things might not be of importance to some we all have different things we merit the most, but those are things Im not fond of. At 3:30 you can see the Bern Man's devout cord to Israel as he's seen defending the onslaught that killed 2,000 Palestineans 500 of which were children. Ive seen and read much I didnt come to that conclusion on a hunch, its nothing Im surprised with, but its also just my opinion.

[khicks26]

I agree on that I cant trust Trump with that which is the reason my hand would have to be forced if I were to vote. But Bernie's voting record contradicts his pacifist rhetoric. Sanders has voted numerous times for various bombings and invasions that I dont agree with, there is sordid material about him on different things those things might not be of importance to some we all have different things we merit the most, but those are things Im not fond of. At 3:30 you can see the Bern Man's devout cord to Israel as he's seen defending the onslaught that killed 2,000 Palestineans 500 of which were children. Ive seen and read much I didnt come to that conclusion on a hunch, its nothing Im surprised with, but its also just my opinion.

Well the guy is Jewish, but I don't get the feeling that he is all to happy with a guy like Netanyahu. Plus the guy did jump up & start yelling at Bernie. Just about anyone would get pissed about that.

I,m not that up on his voting record & would like to hear him give his reasons for voting the way he did. But he did skip the APAC speech & wants a 2 state solution. I would like to know Norman Finkelstein's opinion on all this.

If you ask me the Jews that run Israel are no different than the Nazi's that oppressed the Jews. But not all Jew's are in favor of the settlements & extermination of the Palestinians. Its a fuked up situation for Sanders, but I don't think he hates the Palestinians like the fascist Jews that run Israel. If he chooses a side he's fuked either way.

[jtoler]

Well the guy is Jewish, but I don't get the feeling that he is all to happy with a guy like Netanyahu. Plus the guy did jump up & start yelling at Bernie. Just about anyone would get pissed about that.

I,m not that up on his voting record & would like to hear him give his reasons for voting the way he did. But he did skip the APAC speech & wants a 2 state solution. I would like to know Norman Finkelstein's opinion on all this.

If you ask me the Jews that run Israel are no different than the Nazi's that oppressed the Jews. But not all Jew's are in favor of the settlements & extermination of the Palestinians. Its a fuked up situation for Sanders, but I don't think he hates the Palestinians like the fascist Jews that run Israel. If he chooses a side he's fuked either way.

His voting record is primarily war, war, and more war. On one hand he calls out wasteful spending on defense yet votes for 1.2 trillion dollar jets. He's received the 2nd most from defense contractors lagging only Clinton and more than any republican. He's been for wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen. One side of his mouth talks auditing the defense department while the other is signing wasteful defense contracts for Lockheed. He's like the rest, democrat and republican mean nothing, thats the illusion. Say I have five brothers, myself and two others are Auburn fans, the other two are Alabama fans, at the end of the day we are family we do things and make decisions as a family and thats how this game is played whether its Bill Clinton, Hillary, any Bush, Obama, all of them. His and their actions overwhelmingly betray them.

[khicks26]

His voting record is primarily war, war, and more war. On one hand he calls out wasteful spending on defense yet votes for 1.2 trillion dollar jets. He's received the 2nd most from defense contractors lagging only Clinton and more than any republican. He's been for wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen. One side of his mouth talks auditing the defense department while the other is signing wasteful defense contracts for Lockheed. He's like the rest, democrat and republican mean nothing, thats the illusion. Say I have five brothers, myself and two others are Auburn fans, the other two are Alabama fans, at the end of the day we are family we do things and make decisions as a family and thats how this game is played whether its Bill Clinton, Hillary, any Bush, Obama, all of them. His and their actions overwhelmingly betray them.

Well he has voted against war also, Iraq both times. But I share your distrust in our government. I have my doubts about Sanders & voting in favor of Vermont arms makers. But who else do we have?

Even FDR was from the elite class & did many things that went against them. Not because he wanted to, because the people forced him to. In the end he sided with the people & that's whats important.

Any change has to come from the people, & Sanders is at least listening. Can you say that about anyone else running for Pres?

[khicks26]

[brooks85]

Who at the state and city level is going to enforce this?

The corporations and industries own the politicians in the cities and states they function in

Fracking is a great example. It will soon be strictly regulated or banned in Oklahoma and the only reason it's not yet is because Devon and Chesapeake own the law makers at both city and state level, well known

Politicians are owned at every level so that argument doesn't matter. And Fracking is a great example of how a state can handle their own problems just like Flint, MI. The EPA did nothing to prevent either problem. The EPA's purpose has been fulfilled.

Pollution from one state with lax standards can affect states with actual standards. The EPA ****** up with Gold Mine but overall air quality and water quality is far better than it was 30-40 years ago.

then they can sue just like Nebraska and Oklahoma tried to sue Colorado recently.



which is why I said we can stop pretending we live in the 1970s still. Their was a problem and now there no longer is one. Correction, the problem is now the EPA. They have killed jobs, crushed an industry and they are not done yet according to hillary.

I question anyone's intelligence who can't see what the EPA really is now. All you have to do is look at the facts regarding their assault on coal with ridiculous regulations.

[jtoler]

Well he has voted against war also, Iraq both times. But I share your distrust in our government. I have my doubts about Sanders & voting in favor of Vermont arms makers. But who else do we have?

Even FDR was from the elite class & did many things that went against them. Not because he wanted to, because the people forced him to. In the end he sided with the people & that's whats important.

Any change has to come from the people, & Sanders is at least listening. Can you say that about anyone else running for Pres?

Bruh how can you big up Roosevelt, lets not go down that crook's path. New Deal was financial fraud, was used to get us into war also, this guy was controlled by the jews like the rest of them. He was wreaking havoc ever since he was in the Navy, helped overthrow Haitian regime, list goes on and on.

[DwightShrute]

[rkelly110]

Bernie is an independent always was, always will be. He chose to run Dem, because he thought he'd have a
better shot. Promising college aged kids free this and that, is just wrong. Making the rich and wall st pay for
all that, is fantasy land. 99% of Bernie supporters are probably living with mommy and daddy.

All the candidates who spew more jobs and a better economy is fooling themselves along with us. You could
give businesses money and cut taxes to zero. If there's no demand, there ain't no jobs. It's as simple as that.

[KRIT]

Hah maced in da face!

[Andy117]

Politicians are owned at every level so that argument doesn't matter. And Fracking is a great example of how a state can handle their own problems just like Flint, MI. The EPA did nothing to prevent either problem. The EPA's purpose has been fulfilled.







then they can sue just like Nebraska and Oklahoma tried to sue Colorado recently.



which is why I said we can stop pretending we live in the 1970s still. Their was a problem and now there no longer is one. Correction, the problem is now the EPA. They have killed jobs, crushed an industry and they are not done yet according to hillary.

I question anyone's intelligence who can't see what the EPA really is now. All you have to do is look at the facts regarding their assault on coal with ridiculous regulations.

How should the standards for emissions be set?
Crushed an industry?

then they can sue just like Nebraska and Oklahoma tried to sue Colorado recently. There's no link here, are you referring to their suit of marijuana?

[khicks26]

Bruh how can you big up Roosevelt, lets not go down that crook's path. New Deal was financial fraud, was used to get us into war also, this guy was controlled by the jews like the rest of them. He was wreaking havoc ever since he was in the Navy, helped overthrow Haitian regime, list goes on and on.

You seem to have a problem with Jews, all I will say is. You can't judge a group on the actions of a few, but I have no idea of your history or why you think the way you do. Will not go down that path.

As for the New Deal & FDR. I'm not going to tell you he or the New Deal was perfect. But the good did out weigh the bad, all it did was take money from the rich & give it to the poor. Saving the country from revolution & those same rich people. Who would of lost all their money, if something was not done for the mass of people at the time.

financial fraud, get us into war also, controlled by the jews? You seem to have a different view of history than I do. I am interested in your sources though. Share a few if you can. Thanks.

[khicks26]

Bernie is an independent always was, always will be. He chose to run Dem, because he thought he'd have a
better shot. Promising college aged kids free this and that, is just wrong. Making the rich and wall st pay for
all that, is fantasy land. 99% of Bernie supporters are probably living with mommy and daddy.

All the candidates who spew more jobs and a better economy is fooling themselves along with us. You could
give businesses money and cut taxes to zero. If there's no demand, there ain't no jobs. It's as simple as that.

Yeah most kids now a days can't afford to move out. I think 25 is the Avg. age they move out. When we the tax payer had to bail out the banks & Wall St. That was wrong also. Now those fuks are just sitting on the money or gambling with it. I would rather see kids get a college education than give it to those fuks.

[jtoler]

You seem to have a problem with Jews, all I will say is. You can't judge a group on the actions of a few, but I have no idea of your history or why you think the way you do. Will not go down that path.

As for the New Deal & FDR. I'm not going to tell you he or the New Deal was perfect. But the good did out weigh the bad, all it did was take money from the rich & give it to the poor. Saving the country from revolution & those same rich people. Who would of lost all their money, if something was not done for the mass of people at the time.

financial fraud, get us into war also, controlled by the jews? You seem to have a different view of history than I do. I am interested in your sources though. Share a few if you can. Thanks.

I use that term broadly, dont mean all jews of course, just those particular ones. Id never display dislike of someone solely based on race or Heritage. As I remember, it was the jews who flamed and started the propaganda war against Hitler, he was further demonized by the States the same way theyve done Assad. Ive read Times clippings about the lies told about him about the jews in over 70 cities around the country boycotting Germany, sanctions, instigating war, playing proxy with France or Great Britain blowing up U-boats but Hitler knowing what they were trying to do and not responding, businessmen funding all sides to profit, speculators coming from everywhere to get a piece of the pie, building Germany up only to tear it down again only to build it up again. Ive read some Hitler speeches that were hours long and like Assad he doesnt bite his tongue he explicitly talks in detail about the things in timeline form done to provoke Germany to war, the hidden forces directing different countries. He's talked about FDR's domestic failures, like Assad I saw quite a bit of truth in his words as I researched them. Ive failed to see a country actually really be a military threat to the U.S. since Great Britain long ago, not by coincidence no foreign wars have been fought on this land since then. As for FDR Ive read he didnt have alot to do with the New Deal, but I think the depression is said to have last longer and unemployment grew and didnt get back down too much.

[khicks26]

I use that term broadly, dont mean all jews of course, just those particular ones. Id never display dislike of someone solely based on race or Heritage. As I remember, it was the jews who flamed and started the propaganda war against Hitler, he was further demonized by the States the same way theyve done Assad. Ive read Times clippings about the lies told about him about the jews in over 70 cities around the country boycotting Germany, sanctions, instigating war, playing proxy with France or Great Britain blowing up U-boats but Hitler knowing what they were trying to do and not responding, businessmen funding all sides to profit, speculators coming from everywhere to get a piece of the pie, building Germany up only to tear it down again only to build it up again. Ive read some Hitler speeches that were hours long and like Assad he doesnt bite his tongue he explicitly talks in detail about the things in timeline form done to provoke Germany to war, the hidden forces directing different countries. He's talked about FDR's domestic failures, like Assad I saw quite a bit of truth in his words as I researched them. Ive failed to see a country actually really be a military threat to the U.S. since Great Britain long ago, not by coincidence no foreign wars have been fought on this land since then. As for FDR Ive read he didnt have alot to do with the New Deal, but I think the depression is said to have last longer and unemployment grew and didnt get back down too much.

Dude there are many rich evil corrupt people in the world. They can't all be Jews.

As for Hitler, not a guy I have much sympathy for. I mean the guy pretty much laid it all out in Mein Kampf. He was not very nice to the Jews, & hate for Jews was all over the world before Hitler.

What about Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm] ( listen), "living space") refers to conceptions and policies of a form of settler colonialism connected with agrarianism that existed in Germany from the 1890s to the 1940s. One variant of this policy was supported by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.

Hitler killed far more Russia's than Jews.

American corporations supported Hitler up until the US entry into the war. Ford, Texco, IBM, & others loved the idea of fascism. Also Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.

There have been no wars in the US because of its location. Oceans on both sides & far from the problems of Europe & Asia.

Like I said the New Deal was not perfect. But many of the rich hated it, they started picking it apart as soon as it went into effect. Because it took money from them & gave poor people rights. The last 80 years have been about repealing it & much of it has been.

https://livingnewdeal.org/

[jtoler]

Dude there are many rich evil corrupt people in the world. They can't all be Jews.

As for Hitler, not a guy I have much sympathy for. I mean the guy pretty much laid it all out in Mein Kampf. He was not very nice to the Jews, & hate for Jews was all over the world before Hitler.

What about Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm] ( listen), "living space") refers to conceptions and policies of a form of settler colonialism connected with agrarianism that existed in Germany from the 1890s to the 1940s. One variant of this policy was supported by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.

Hitler killed far more Russia's than Jews.

American corporations supported Hitler up until the US entry into the war. Ford, Texco, IBM, & others loved the idea of fascism. Also Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.

There have been no wars in the US because of its location. Oceans on both sides & far from the problems of Europe & Asia.

Like I said the New Deal was not perfect. But many of the rich hated it, they started picking it apart as soon as it went into effect. Because it took money from them & gave poor people rights. The last 80 years have been about repealing it & much of it has been.

https://livingnewdeal.org/

Not sure what you mean by they cant all be jews, I never said that, we are talking about two different things. Was Japan not provoked for a long time in doing what they did, it was a forgone conclusion that was expected and wanted. I dont think the bold is completely accurate. I think agreements were reached on some trading after Pearl Harbor, not sure if it was on tetraethyl or what, think some banking business still went on also. Seems American businesses were largely spared in Germany for the most when you look at strategic bombing data.

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Not sure what you mean by they cant all be jews, I never said that, we are talking about two different things. Was Japan not provoked for a long time in doing what they did, it was a forgone conclusion that was expected and wanted. I dont think the bold is completely accurate. I think agreements were reached on some trading after Pearl Harbor, not sure if it was on tetraethyl or what, think some banking business still went on also. Seems American businesses were largely spared in Germany for the most when you look at strategic bombing data.

Not saying you did say that. Its just that some think the Jews control everything.

As far as I know the US stopped selling Japan rubber, metal & oil that was keeping the war in China going. So Japan was moving south to get the resources it needed to continue the war. They attack Pearl Harbor to keep the US Navy from stopping this move. Is this is what you mean by provoked. Did the US know & did FDR let the attack happen to get the US in the war. I don't know. But does it really matter, the US had to enter the war sooner or later. Maybe Japan did the world a favor.

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Cenk on CNN. the ending is great.

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''Donald Trump, you're right, would do nothing to disturb the establishment'' LOL