Official Bernie Sanders for President 2016 thread

[The Kraken]

lying ass roosterlicker.

[brooks85]

i voted for obama in 08' (i've admitted that). my support for him ended shortly after - when i saw that he intended on changing nothing - and was just another establishment politician who lied about being a progressive reformer.

in b4 "bernie lying too". if only he had a 30 year record of fighting for the working-class to lend credibility. oh... wait... he does.

wrong, your support ended after I berated you with facts, on what was going to happen under obama, until the point you put me on ignore then when you came back you magically were against Obama. You did the same thing for Clinton. Your post history does not lie.



And that is why you still haven't answered who is the last democratic president you support?

[scumbag]

you penetrating idiot! i didn't register here until 13'. i've disliked obama since 10' at the latest.

i love how important you think you are, though.

as for clinton (who i never supported because i was a penetrating), i've shit all over him too for welfare reform, deregulation, so-called free-trade, etc.

now GTFO of here you complete penetrating narcissist.

[Jayvegas420]

Yeah Brooks, stop hating on your country & post some winners pal.

[brooks85]

you penetrating idiot! i didn't register here until 13'. i've disliked obama since 10' at the latest.

i love how important you think you are, though.

as for clinton (who i never supported because i was a penetrating), i've shit all over him too for welfare reform, deregulation, so-called free-trade, etc.

now GTFO of here you complete penetrating narcissist.

post history says otherwise



and still haven't answered who was the last democratic president you supported?

[guitarjosh]

That's a lot of ad lib there. We can count those as lies. Total now 48 & rising. Then he wonders way I would shoot his ass. Because you leave me no alternative. I can tell you're the kinda guy that would be shot by his own troops.

I haven't lied yet, you just call anyone who destroys your arguments a liar so you don't have to admit you're wrong. You've called multiple economic professors at some of the best universities in the world liars and corporate shills, refused to read peer reviewed studies from economists published at places like the NBER or Ivy league institutions when it contradicts your world view, holds the WSJ, a newspaper that has won dozens of pulitzer prizes, in the same regard as a tabloid, posted an argument that completely refuted one of your positions, and when pointed out, you denied it, etc, etc, etc. There is a word for people like you, it is delusional. It's a mental disorder, and you should probably check into an institution. If I had troops, they wouldn't shoot me, because I would treat them as an equal. If you had troops, they would shoot you since you would eat all their food claiming it was your fair share.

Yeah Scumbag is a good guy. I would go to war with him anytime & be glad he's on my side.

You'd go to war, but won't open a co-op or enter a socialist contract with him. Your ideas are so bad you won't do them unless someone will be legally forced to pay the costs when they don't work.

[guitarjosh]

and still haven't answered who was the last democratic president you supported?

Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for him to explain why he isn't in a co-op or socialist contract with like-minded people if his ideas are so good.

[khicks26]

I haven't lied yet, you just call anyone who destroys your arguments a liar so you don't have to admit you're wrong. You've called multiple economic professors at some of the best universities in the world liars and corporate shills, refused to read peer reviewed studies from economists published at places like the NBER or Ivy league institutions when it contradicts your world view, holds the WSJ, a newspaper that has won dozens of pulitzer prizes, in the same regard as a tabloid, posted an argument that completely refuted one of your positions, and when pointed out, you denied it, etc, etc, etc. There is a word for people like you, it is delusional. It's a mental disorder, and you should probably check into an institution. If I had troops, they wouldn't shoot me, because I would treat them as an equal. If you had troops, they would shoot you since you would eat all their food claiming it was your fair share.







You'd go to war, but won't open a co-op or enter a socialist contract with him. Your ideas are so bad you won't do them unless someone will be legally forced to pay the costs when they don't work.

Just because everything you post is from liars and corporate shills, that's my fault? Because you act like a selfish douche, that's my fault to. Because you don't know a false narrative when you see one, is my fault to. You got to be one of the dumbest mother fukers on this site.

Funny thing is you think you're smarter that everyone because you read a rag like the WSJ. (But it won these awards) So did your boy uncle milton & he ruined a country with his shock treatment.

Yeah every time someone wins an award they have people from the country there helping, yelling at them to leave the country.

You just ignore history & facts, because it don't fit your BS view of life. Then you call me delusional. The guy who said the best thing FDR did was die. You wouldn't even have this country without FDR. Try reading a history book stupid fuk. But make it one that is fact checked & not some Fox News host re-writing history & facts. Like I said you have to be one of the dumbest mother fukers I have ever met. That's why people would shoot you, its not just me.

[khicks26]

OK Josh, now tell me how much smarter you are than an MIT professor. Because you read the WSJ.

[khicks26]

Once you watch all 3 hrs of this & understand what the guy is telling you. Then you can tell me about your WSJ, charts & economic professors. I have my own professors that speak the truth. All you have to do is look around & see the way thinks are to know its the truth. But when you have your head up Rupert Murdoch ass you can't see anything. Dumb Fuk.

I know about the way the world works than you Josh.That's why I blow off your stupid crap & lies. So piss off douche bag.

[guitarjosh]

Just because everything you post is from liars and corporate shills, that's my fault? Because you act like a selfish douche, that's my fault to. Because you don't know a false narrative when you see one, is my fault to. You got to be one of the dumbest mother fukers on this site.

Funny thing is you think you're smarter that everyone because you read a rag like the WSJ. (But it won these awards) So did your boy uncle milton & he ruined a country with his shock treatment.

You just ignore history & facts, because it don't fit your BS view of life. Then you call me delusional. The guy who said the best thing FDR did was die. You wouldn't even have this country without FDR. Try reading a history book stupid fuk. But make it one that is fact checked & not some Fox News host re-writing history & facts. Like I said you have to be one of the dumbest mother fukers I have ever met. That's why people would shoot you, its not just me.

Case in point. You don't try to debate, you don't try to explain why another is wrong and point them in the right direction, you just try to give yourself an excuse not to even listen to another's arguments. The sad thing is if what you said was true it would easily refutable and you would be able to do it in a manner of minutes. The sadder thing is you've convinced yourself you're correct.

Find one place I've said I was smarter than anyone because I read the WSJ. Again, we've been over this, Chile is much better today after those reforms than before.

I don't ignore facts at all, your thinking of yourself. We would have a country without FDR. I've read many history books, I've read what many people say, I've read how FDR was so power mad he lost many people that originally had so much faith in him like Garner and Moley. In fact, there wouldn't have been a New Deal without Moley.

Here is a link to a study done by a couple of UCLA economists, which you'll undoubtedly not read because according to you these men are corporate shills. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FD...epression-5409

Here's a link to WebMD about delusional disorder, for which you need treatment, but won't get it, because WebMD is corporate: http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/g...ional-disorder

BTW, no one has ever attempted to shoot me. That being said, most people don't have your mental illness.

[guitarjosh]

OK Josh, now tell me how much smarter you are than an MIT professor. Because you read the WSJ.

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I think Chomsky is brilliant, but also a huge hypocrite. First of all, I'm not denying what he said about Chile, but you need to understand, Milton Friedman wasn't pulling the strings, it was the CIA. Second, this is a guy who is completely against the use of violence to control other countries, which I agree with, yet he is willing to use violence to force me to accept socialism. He, and you, love socialism, but you aren't practicing socialists, in practice you're as capitalistic as I.

[khicks26]

Here's one for you douche bag. All the good the deal did & still does today.

http://livingnewdeal.org/

[khicks26]

Look around Josh. Your eating the lies. Dumb Fuk

[khicks26]

I think Chomsky is brilliant, but also a huge hypocrite. First of all, I'm not denying what he said about Chile, but you need to understand, Milton Friedman wasn't pulling the strings, it was the CIA. Second, this is a guy who is completely against the use of violence to control other countries, which I agree with, yet he is willing to use violence to force me to accept socialism. He, and you, love socialism, but you aren't practicing socialists, in practice you're as capitalistic as I.

That's Rich, you calling someone a hypocrite.

[khicks26]

Case in point. You don't try to debate, you don't try to explain why another is wrong and point them in the right direction, you just try to give yourself an excuse not to even listen to another's arguments. The sad thing is if what you said was true it would easily refutable and you would be able to do it in a manner of minutes. The sadder thing is you've convinced yourself you're correct.

Find one place I've said I was smarter than anyone because I read the WSJ. Again, we've been over this, Chile is much better today after those reforms than before.

I don't ignore facts at all, your thinking of yourself. We would have a country without FDR. I've read many history books, I've read what many people say, I've read how FDR was so power mad he lost many people that originally had so much faith in him like Garner and Moley. In fact, there wouldn't have been a New Deal without Moley.

Here is a link to a study done by a couple of UCLA economists, which you'll undoubtedly not read because according to you these men are corporate shills. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FD...epression-5409

Here's a link to WebMD about delusional disorder, for which you need treatment, but won't get it, because WebMD is corporate: http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/g...ional-disorder

BTW, no one has ever attempted to shoot me. That being said, most people don't have your mental illness.

You can't debate with someone that believes there own lies.

[DwightShrute]

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[Whoson1st]

I'm For Bernie... Win one for the little guys..

[scumbag]

In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41.

The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points.
The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.

It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative — if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-both

[DABOOK]

A few things to consider
1. The top 1 % now owns 40% of wealth , while those in the middle class are making less than they were decades ago, when incomes are adjusted for inflation. America is behind Europe in terms of income inequality. Income inequality goes hand in hand with inequality of opportunity , so that those born at the bottom are condemned to almost certainly remain there.
2. Virtually all senators and most representatives are from the top 1 % and know that if they serve the top 1 % they will be rewarded by the top 1 %
3 The chances of a poor or middle class citizen making it to the top in America are smaller than in many European countries and in all other advanced countries.
4. Almost a quarter of American children under age 5 live in poverty. Among developed countries , only Romania has a higher rate of child poverty. Those children have almost no chance of living the American dream.
5 We spend more on healthcare than any other country.
6. If tax rates on return capital were simply equal to the rates imposed on those who actually work for a living , we could realize an extra $2 Trillion dollars in ten years.
7.While economic forces cause gaps between rich and poor , public policy on taxation , the minimum wage , health care , and education are more responsible.
8 People who are well off and live apart from those of lesser means are divorced from economic problems faced by the shrinking middle class.
The above was originally written by Nobel Prize winner Joseph E Stiglitz. He knows that our country has been become morally wrong. It is obvious. The rich get richer. The rest of us (Working middle class) get less than ever. Only one canidate has addressed these issues.

That candidate is Bernie Sanders. He will definitely help the lower 95% but poor people in red states vote against their interest because they are brainwashed by the Koch Bros. and there propaganda machine pumping millions into T.V. Ads.

[DwightShrute]

I like Bernie. He makes many good points. He's not a leader however. America needs a leader more than ever. Haven't had one in many years. All we have are the same lousy politicians running on both sides. If elected, the same ole bullshit and corruption will continue. The big money on either side will do everything they can to make it so.

Trump is the only one with a chance that isn't like all the other establishment types.

[Jayvegas420]

Was Bush a leader?
How about Reagan?
You have leaders & they work on K St.
Not the Whitehouse.

[TheSchafe]

Socialism is not a bad word. What do you think Medicare, medicaid, and unemployment checks are???

[DwightShrute]

Bush had his moments early on. He looked very presidential after 9/11. But after that, he was largely incompetent. Not only how he handled the wars but all the spending he allowed.

Reagan raised taxes after cutting them. Amnesty for over 3 million immigrants. As governor he signed an abortion law. 200 marines killed in Lebanon ... he didn't go to war. All very liberal stuff one can argue. He was a uniter. He stood up for his country. He was key in ending the cold war. Not an insignificant achievement. He wasn't perfect. He wasn't a far right republican. Far left or far right doesn't work. You need someone who hangs around the middle much of the time. I don't worship him like so many do, but I consider him the best president in my lifetime.

Clinton was pretty good towards the end of his 2nd term. He put away his ego and decided to work with Republicans and go a lot of shit done.

I believe the US needs a Reagan type. Other than Trump, no one I see fits that criteria.

[DwightShrute]

Socialism is not a bad word. What do you think Medicare, medicaid, and unemployment checks are???

there's a difference between a socialist country like China for a example and a country with socialist aspects like those you correctly pointed out.

Washington has a spending problem. Fix that first, then you earn the right to ask for more taxes if needed. Then you will get better social programs. The best even.

[TheSchafe]

Tax the top 1% to reduce the deficit. The wealthy haven't been taxed since 2002...it's sickening.

[TheSchafe]

That candidate is Bernie Sanders. He will definitely help the lower 95% but poor people in red states vote against their interest because they are brainwashed by the Koch Bros. and there propaganda machine pumping millions into T.V. Ads.

Boom.

[dante1]

there's a difference between a socialist country like China for a example and a country with socialist aspects like those you correctly pointed out.

Washington has a spending problem. Fix that first, then you earn the right to ask for more taxes if needed. Then you will get better social programs. The best even.

actually dwight to be totally correct you need to learn the difference between socialism and communism. there is a difference you know, also china is not a good example because they have some weird hybrid and nobody really knows wtf it is.

[khicks26]

actually dwight to be totally correct you need to learn the difference between socialism and communism. there is a difference you know, also china is not a good example because they have some weird hybrid and nobody really knows wtf it is.

True communism has never been put in to government. China is just a state form of capitalism, as was the USSR.

[khicks26]

there's a difference between a socialist country like China for a example and a country with socialist aspects like those you correctly pointed out.

Washington has a spending problem. Fix that first, then you earn the right to ask for more taxes if needed. Then you will get better social programs. The best even.

Washington has an 1% problem. Then own it, so we should make a 1% guy like Trump Pres. How does this make sense.

[jjgold]

Many think Communism works

Russia sank after it

[DwightShrute]

Washington has an 1% problem. Then own it, so we should make a 1% guy like Trump Pres. How does this make sense.

that's what the establishment wants you to believe. Blame the rich. ya ya ya. Washington has a spending problem. They take in more than enough taxes. If they collect 4 trillion, they spend 5. If they collect 5 trillion, they'll spend 6. and so on.

Why would you want to do the same thing over and over? What will change? Nothing will. More blaming and more kicking the can down the road. 15 million more in poverty, 15 million more on food stamps, 10 trillion more debt, 95 million out of the workforce and some people actually believe the government when they announce the unemployment rate is 5%? And some consider the Obama years as a success LOL. Blame the 1% and give us more money is all they seem to know.

Nothing wrong with being successful. Isn't that part of the American Dream? Government are the ones that make special laws and tax exemptions for the rich. Why? Why is the tax code over 30,000 pages long? They spend most of their time fundraising. Why? Fundraising for who? lol.

Trump is almost 70. He doesn't need to do this. He wants to leave a legacy. He isn't afraid to talk about the real issues. Immigration, Vets, bad trade deals, taxing the hedge fund guys etc. Heck, he could run as a democrat. He isn't told what to say and think by those that buy his campaign. No one else can say that. He says shit publically that most of us think but don't say because it isn't politically correct. I respect that.

The establishment and mainstream media will have you believe that you need experience to run for President. You need to be a governor or a senator or a congressman. I say bullshit. You need smarts and the ability to get things done. Anyone can spend 20 trillion of other people's money and blame it on the rich.

I doubt enough American's are smart enough to elect Trump next year. I hope I am wrong.

[dante1]

True communism has never been put in to government. China is just a state form of capitalism, as was the USSR.

correct, it is impossible, but the same can be said for true capitalism. in reality all economic systems are so type of mix.

[dante1]

that's what the establishment wants you to believe. Blame the rich. ya ya ya. Washington has a spending problem. They take in more than enough taxes. If they collect 4 trillion, they spend 5. If they collect 5 trillion, they'll spend 6. and so on.

Why would you want to do the same thing over and over? What will change? Nothing will. More blaming and more kicking the can down the road. 15 million more in poverty, 15 million more on food stamps, 10 trillion more debt, 95 million out of the workforce and some people actually believe the government when they announce the unemployment rate is 5%? And some consider the Obama years as a success LOL. Blame the 1% and give us more money is all they seem to know.

Nothing wrong with being successful. Isn't that part of the American Dream? Government are the ones that make special laws and tax exemptions for the rich. Why? Why is the tax code over 30,000 pages long? They spend most of their time fundraising. Why? Fundraising for who? lol.

Trump is almost 70. He doesn't need to do this. He wants to leave a legacy. He isn't afraid to talk about the real issues. Immigration, Vets, bad trade deals, taxing the hedge fund guys etc. Heck, he could run as a democrat. He isn't told what to say and think by those that buy his campaign. No one else can say that. He says shit publically that most of us think but don't say because it isn't politically correct. I respect that.

The establishment and mainstream media will have you believe that you need experience to run for President. You need to be a governor or a senator or a congressman. I say bullshit. You need smarts and the ability to get things done. Anyone can spend 20 trillion of other people's money and blame it on the rich.

I doubt enough American's are smart enough to elect Trump next year. I hope I am wrong.

you are one confusing guy, first you were positive trump was going to win.

but at least you are now borrowing (trump as a democrat) the best of ideas from the best of the posters. good for you.

did you think about gerrymandering yet? also I would like to hear your ideas on socialism vs communism. you sound like you have a good handle on these ideas?

[Jayvegas420]

Did dwight just type that China was a socialist country?
Seriously Dwight?
How can you guys read this shit?
I'm a tolerant Canadian so I can, but how does everyone else read Dwight's post without spitting out their coffee?

Dwight, the tax issue isn't about how much they're taking in, it about who they're taking it from.

And also......ahhh who the fukk cares. You can't argue with someone who defends the 1% while living off socialist government subsidies & working, like the other 99%.
It's just silly.
You're a have not Dwight & unless your economic philosophies & practices change, you're gonna die poor & likely not in hospital bed