Jordan's team won just two games less without him...

[jtoler]

Harder to win rings vs 8 teams than 30? Do explain the logic?

Should be obvious why, but that doesn't mean it was. Doesn't mean the best played all in one league.

[smoke a bowl]

Should be obvious why, but that doesn't mean it was. Doesn't mean the best played all in one league.

The only thing that is obvious is if 8 equal teams start a season they all have a 7-1 chance to win the ring. With 30 equal teams starting a season every team is 29-1 to win a ring. Now that is obvious.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Don't see how he can ever pass Jordan even with ten chips. I've seen enough of him, know what he can/can't do, will/won't do. He's just not and never will be better, watched him 12 years now.

that's your opinion, if he gets at least 6 or more, he'll be considered the best. we live in the "what have you done for me lately" era.

ask any nba player, past and present, besides kobe, and they'll say they would want to play with lebron james over michael jordan. why? because michael jordan was a fukking ball hog.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

People need to get off Jordan's nuts. Many better than him.

[jtoler]

I never said he wasn't a ball hog and rings arnt the end all be all just talking as individual basketball players.

[jtoler]

The only thing that is obvious is if 8 equal teams start a season they all have a 7-1 chance to win the ring. With 30 equal teams starting a season every team is 29-1 to win a ring. Now that is obvious.

Look at it competitively, with only 8 teams each team should be great, 30 teams waters down talent.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

I never said he wasn't a ball hog and rings arnt the end all be all just talking as individual basketball players.

tell that to barkley or karl malone...

[smoke a bowl]

Look at it competitively, with only 8 teams each team should be great, 30 teams waters down talent.

OK, but just as much talent on his team as the other 7 no?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Look at it competitively, with only 8 teams each team should be great, 30 teams waters down talent.

the guy almost averaged triple double for the season and one guy scored over 100 points in a game during that era. teams really weren't that competitive.

[jtoler]

tell that to barkley or karl malone...

They are two of the best. When I say rings arnt everything I mean it like I don't consider another great pf better than either if they have a ring. I have eyes and think for myself.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

They are two of the best. When I say rings arnt everything I mean it like I don't consider another great pf better than either if they have a ring. I have eyes and think for myself.

so in your opinion, who's the best power forward of all time?

[pinchegringo]

Harder to win rings vs 8 teams than 30? Do explain the logic?

The argument is that with less teams and not an equally lesser player pool there are more allstars caliber players per team. I think it holds some weight but I also think that a 6 team playoff with 1st round byes makes it easier for teams to repeat with out the added wear and tear.


Truthfully quantifying different era's vs different era's is impossible. When comparing GOATs the way to simplify that is to compare that players success and dominance over the era in which they played.

[jtoler]

OK, but just as much talent on his team as the other 7 no?

Imagine if there were only 8 NBA teams today, each team then would be like an all star team, but it doesn't matter, back then they had other leagues with great talent that competed against the NBA.

[play4win]

jordan makes his team play better game of basket.
lebron makes his team play better with him in a basket ball court.

so if both leave the team, the chicago team learned play basketball even without jordan.
but the heat and cavs team looking at the guy with the ball and wondering where lebron is.
and realize he's not lebron so they have to learn again play team game again without lebron.

that's why chicago team went to conference semi finals when jordan left.
and cavs and heat team don't make playoffs. although heat team was because of injury of bosh and wade.

obviously lebron can't teach the game of basketball for shyt!

[jtoler]

the guy almost averaged triple double for the season and one guy scored over 100 points in a game during that era. teams really weren't that competitive.

Not almost, he did it. He was great, doesn't mean league not that competitive, and Wilt was a beast, just a great night where all the stars aligned, bad ft shooter who that night hit 28 of 32.

[jtoler]

so in your opinion, who's the best power forward of all time?

Maybe Duncan but because of longevity. Two versions of Timmy. had we seen the Duncan who entered the league long enough before injuries, that Duncan would have been top 3, prob greatest player of all time.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Not almost, he did multiple times. He was great, doesn't mean league not that competitive, and Wilt was a beast, just a great night where all the stars aligned, bad ft shooter who that night hit 28 of 32.

yes the league looks way more competitive with 8 teams.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Maybe Duncan but because of longevity. Two versions of Timmy. had we seen the Duncan who entered the league long enough before injuries, that Duncan would have been top 3, prob greatest player of all time.

let's say barkley or malone had 6 or 7 championship rings, would your opinion change? of course it would.

[jtoler]

yes the league looks way more competitive with 8 teams.

Not sure what you're trying to say.

[jtoler]

let's say barkley or malone had 6 or 7 championship rings, would your opinion change? of course it would.

Depends on a lot of things. Im talking from individual talent standpoint and some other things. So if MJ always played on sucky teams and never made it past the conference finals, but Bron ended up with four rings, if I felt MJ was still a better player then that's just me.

[smoke a bowl]

Imagine if there were only 8 NBA teams today, each team then would be like an all star team, but it doesn't matter, back then they had other leagues with great talent that competed against the NBA.

I get that, but it still doesn't make it tougher to win a title. Makes the guy guarding you on a nightly basis a little better but that holds true for every match up on the court. Might make everything more competitive but certainly doesn't make it tougher to win a title.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Not sure what you're trying to say.

imo, oscar robertson wasn't even that good and he almost averaged triple double. that just shows you the level of competition during that era. and since someone mentioned it was harder back in that era to win championships, i'm saying bullshit.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Depends on a lot of things. Im talking from individual talent standpoint and some other things. So if MJ always played on sucky teams and never made it past the conference finals, but Bron ended up with four rings, if I felt MJ was still a better player then that's just me.

are you saying karl malone and barkely played in "sucky" teams?

bottom line, number of rings matter.

[jtoler]

are you saying karl malone and barkely played in "sucky" teams?

bottom line, number of rings matter.

I said nothing about Barkley nor Malone there, unreal.

[jtoler]

imo, oscar robertson wasn't even that good and he almost averaged triple double. that just shows you the level of competition during that era. and since someone mentioned it was harder back in that era to win championships, i'm saying bullshit.

How was the level of competition when Magic played? Was Magic not that good?

[jtoler]

How and where do you rate Robert Horry? Better than Horace Grant, Barkley, Malone, McHale?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

I said nothing about Barkley nor Malone there, unreal.

if jordan had 0 championship rings, he wouldn't be called the greatest.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

How was the level of competition when Magic played? Was Magic not that good?

How and where do you rate Robert Horry? Better than Horace Grant, Barkley, Malone, McHale?

now you're being dumb. this discussion is over.

[jtoler]

now you're being dumb. this discussion is over.

Lol you kept saying rings matter and I ask a question you run lol. You say Oscar almost averaged triple double(he did it ), said he wasn't that good, said league wasn't competitive, so I ask about league during Magic's time, Magic almost averaged triple doubles numerous years and you run lol. Just trying to understand your mindset, not understanding it.

[meader99]

are you saying karl malone and barkely played in "sucky" teams?

bottom line, number of rings matter.

Barkley and Malone did not win rings because of Jordan. Same with Ewing.

[chico2663]

niqqa your knicks suck!!!

i'm a rockets man

[chico2663]

Should be obvious why, but that doesn't mean it was. Doesn't mean the best played all in one league.

there were NO OTHER LEAGUES! ABA WASN'T AROUND; EUROPE WASN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF. IT WAS IN 60'S!

[Ra77er]

Well now Barkley is in the conversation


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[Ra77er]

Imagine Charles in the finals today....no one is getting a help block to stop a drive cold. Dude was a beast regardless of rings.

[chico2663]

imo, oscar robertson wasn't even that good and he almost averaged triple double. that just shows you the level of competition during that era. and since someone mentioned it was harder back in that era to win championships, i'm saying bullshit.

Evidently you don't know shit about basketball. Kareem say that he is the best player he ever played with or against. I would value kareem opinion more than yours or mine.Bird said he grew up idolizing oscar. Only problem with oscar is he played when it was racist and he loved the white women. Not kosher in the 60's.