Has anyone already started to look at MLB opening day card?

[Big Bear]

Exactly.
Spot on 100 percent correct.

how much stock do you put into how a pitcher has looked in spring training?

Braves -Teheran
Giants- Hudson
Angels- wilson

have all been terrible.

On the other hand

Mariners- Walker
Rockies- Lyles
Pirates- Liriano
Red sox -Buccholz

have been outstanding.

King Felix been a little shakey in spring ball.
Any cause for concern there?

[Big Bear]

Gotta love Det and Nats opening day

how many innings you think Tigers can get out of Price on opening day?

Twins line-up may tatoo that weak ass Tigers pen

[dumdum214]

Twins lineup isn't going to be tattooing anything this year

[Big Bear]

Kenny Vargas is 6 foot 5 and 298 pounds.

Look for this guy to be the next Big Papi

[Big Bear]

[Smoke]

Twins lineup isn't going to be tattooing anything this year

This

[Big Bear]

King Felix got rocked again yesterday...

any cause for concern?

7 runs in 2 inning i believe but it was 95 degrees in Arizona

[jjgold]

Bear do not go nuts opening day

The 1st 4 weeks really are not great to bet weather being part of issue

[PorkChop]

I've already been betting spring training

[jjgold]

I've already been betting spring training

Porky

[Big Bear]

My question though is how much stock should i put into how a pitcher has been performing in spring training?

if u go based off of that then you should fade Kluber, King -Felix, Tanaka, and Samardizija.

and you should take

Scherezer, Buccholz, and Liriano.

[Big Bear]

Bartolo Colon just completed 6 innings of work in his final opening day tune-up allowing just 1 run against the Cardinals.

Its bit puzzling though b/c stuff does not look that great and his fastest pitch today was 89mph.

Will the Nationals touch him up on Opening day ?

[Evolved137]

My question though is how much stock should i put into how a pitcher has been performing in spring training

Just take it for what it's worth. Don't ever overvalue performance of a pitcher in spring training. Don't dismiss them, but just take their skill level's of what they're doing at face value. Spring training for pitcher's can be variably judged, but doing more than sitting back and observing is the best free bet you can make in finding value after spring training. This is just my opinion and if you would like me to give you a further explanation in detail, pm me. GL this season big let's get this money!

I've read your posts, and you have a lot of knowledge of the sport, I hope we find each other talking sometime further because this is my $ game, i've been waiting forever for the season to start!

[stevenash]

how many innings you think Tigers can get out of Price on opening day?

Twins line-up may tatoo that weak ass Tigers pen

7 inning for Price.
What Twins are going the Tigers bullpen?

Santana?
Suzuki?
Vargas?
Somebody needs to tell Mauer it's not 2007 anymore, pretty boy is washed up?
Better question is, how bad will the Tigers bat kill Phil Hughes?

That's your problem, you don't look at all sides of the game.
If you are making a wager baased on the Twins beating Nathan late in the game, you need to find a new hobby.

[stevenash]

Just take it for what it's worth. Don't ever overvalue performance of a pitcher in spring training. Don't dismiss them, but just take their skill level's of what they're doing at face value. Spring training for pitcher's can be variably judged, but doing more than sitting back and observing is the best free bet you can make in finding value after spring training. This is just my opinion and if you would like me to give you a further explanation in detail, pm me. GL this season big let's get this money!

I've read your posts, and you have a lot of knowledge of the sport, I hope we find each other talking sometime further because this is my $ game, i've been waiting forever for the season to start!

Price, who is a proven ace, has been electric all spring, you have to put stock in that.
Betances for the Yanks, who was a flash last season, has not topped 93mph all spring, and can't find the plate.
You have to put stock in that, but yeah, for 90 percent of all the players, you pretty much treat spring training as getting ready for the new season.

A 7 year pitcher, with a 4.65 ERA for instance, who has had a terrific spring, you would still have to treat him as a hamburger, rather than a born again phenom.
If a Kershaw type stud has a bad spring, you would not consider him to be finished, washed up.

[Big Bear]

7 inning for Price.
What Twins are going the Tigers bullpen?

Santana?
Suzuki?
Vargas?
Somebody needs to tell Mauer it's not 2007 anymore, pretty boy is washed up?
Better question is, how bad will the Tigers bat kill Phil Hughes?

That's your problem, you don't look at all sides of the game.
If you are making a wager baased on the Twins beating Nathan late in the game, you need to find a new hobby.

i just wanted to hear other posters opinions... its highly unlikely that i will put money on the Twins opening day. Its hard to ever feel confident betting against that Tiger line-up and David Price

[stevenash]

how much stock do you put into how a pitcher has looked in spring training?

Rockies- Lyles


have been outstanding.

King Felix been a little shakey in spring ball.
Any cause for concern there?

King has a lot of miles on that arm, yeah, I'd be a little worried.

Get off the Rockies nut already.
They will not win 75 games.

Jordan Lyles.

Take a good look at this data, tell me what makes you think he's going to be a star?
These are butt ugly numbers.
Strike out ratio is brutal.
He got lit up in Houston as a starter, he got lit up in Coors last season, and he'll get lit up again.
Rockies staff is horseshit, and they have to face the Dodgers, what? 7 times this year at Coors, you think the Rockies bats are going to hit that LA staff, do you think the Rockies are going to shut down Puig, and A-Gon and all the others?
Rockies are horseshit, always will be horseshit until they learn to invest in pitching. Pitching wins, and Colorado doesn't have it.

2014	23	22	126	7	4	4.33	1.37	90	46	4.22	3.98	91.7	7.4%	71.3%	0.295	0
2013	22	27	141	7	9	5.59	1.51	93	49	4.57	4.41	92.0	7.0%	63.1%	0.314	1
2012	21	25	141	5	12	5.09	1.42	99	42	4.53	4.10	91.7	6.9%	61.2%	0.301	0
2011	20	20	94	2	8	5.36	1.41	67	26	4.53	4.13	89.9	8.3%	65.0%	0.307	0

[smize]

Tigers are my #1 pick for opening day. Next picks for me on opening day are Indians and athletics. I can't decide on if I should pick Dodgers and nationals as well tho. Then my problem is how will I put them into numerous random parlays to get the most out of my money. Cause I don't really wanna do singles...

[Big Bear]

Best Twins hitter is Dozier.

Mauer, Hunter, Vargas and Arcia can swing it too.

Suzuki hits for average he is a team leader and he helps the pitching staff out with his pitch calling and defensive abilities.

[Big Bear]

Jordans Lyles was pretty sick last year to start the season and has been tearing it up this spring.

Guy has the recipe for success at Coors with those sinkers.

[Big Bear]

Nash i never said Lyles was a power pitcher. He is not a strike out ratio type guy. He is a pitch to contact type guy and he knows how to be successful at Coors.

Rockies have value when he pitches.

[broadway6]

bear, just pound the cubs... isn't that what all the sharps are doing?

[Big Bear]

bear, just pound the cubs... isn't that what all the sharps are doing?

Cubs dont play on Monday.

I refuse to bet ESPN sunday night games. Will not bet on a single one of those all year.

May take a look at the Cubs in their second game with Arrieta on the bump.

[stevenash]

Nash i never said Lyles was a power pitcher. He is not a strike out ratio type guy. He is a pitch to contact type guy and he knows how to be successful at Coors.

Rockies have value when he pitches.

No value, none.
He's a hamburger, who was horseshit in Houston, and always wil be horseshit.

[stevenash]

bear, just pound the cubs... isn't that what all the sharps are doing?

Cubs over, and Royals over.
That's what the sports book manager at the Rio said he kept hearing all winter.

[Big Bear]

Ok Nash

agree to disagree

thread is about Monday May 6th and Lyles does not pitch that day.

All i care about right now as far as betting is coming up with 4 or 5 winners for Monday. And then I will go from there...

[stevenash]

Kenny Vargas is 6 foot 5 and 298 pounds.

Look for this guy to be the next Big Papi

Who has never hit more than 20 homers in any single minor league season.
And he played six years in the scrubs, against scrub pitching.

Now, this big beefy guy, who has never hit more than 20 homers in the bush leagues, all of a sudden is the new Papi?

Really?

[stevenash]

Ok Nash

agree to disagree

thread is about Monday May 6th and Lyles does not pitch that day.

All i care about right now as far as betting is coming up with 4 or 5 winners for Monday. And then I will go from there...

I wasn't the one who brought up Jordan Lyles.

[smize]

Lol bear this isn't basketball bro

[smize]

Your looking for 5 wins on Monday? But nobody said anything about my top teams for Monday lol

[MickeyMan]

King Felix got rocked again yesterday...

any cause for concern?

7 runs in 2 inning i believe but it was 95 degrees in Arizona

I would be more concerned that you have him as your avatar than his spring training stats.

[Big Bear]

I would be more concerned that you have him as your avatar than his spring training stats.

no my avatar is Taijuan Walker.

[Big Bear]

Your looking for 5 wins on Monday? But nobody said anything about my top teams for Monday lol

who are your tops teams?

[Big Bear]

Who has never hit more than 20 homers in any single minor league season.
And he played six years in the scrubs, against scrub pitching.

Now, this big beefy guy, who has never hit more than 20 homers in the bush leagues, all of a sudden is the new Papi?

Really?

yes Nash big papi.

Big Papi was not always a super star. Remember him in Minnesota?

Pre-Swagger?

Remember Manny Rameriz pre- Swagger?

[Big Bear]

pre-swag big papi