HittingPayDirt. Super Tout or Super Dud ?

[gloriesam]

Wow its amazing how all the other service owners in this thread bas Bettingresource. You guys are clueless about money management. They use a 1 to 10 unit scale to rate their plays and most of their standar plays are 8 units. What matters is the % of the bankroll. There 1 unit is only 0.3% of the bankroll. So when they make a 10 unit play their (their max play) it is only 3% of the bankroll. Their money management and methods beats any other touts out there. There are touts out there releasing 100 dimes. 1000 dimes. Million dimes etc without any sense of properly set money management. BR is the only season who has been around for so long and doing it within their pre-set money management and winning consistently. IF you do a quick search on the net you will see that many services subscribe to br (even though it is against br rules as they don't accept other services are anyone affiliated with sportsbooks to join their service) to sell it as their on places. SOon those fools get banned without refund and all they can do is go sour apples in forums as you can see by most of the service guys here bashing br.

Paw, oneguy, nexus are all well known shills.

BR has been around since 2006 and they use the exact same money management and make plays accordingly and they win each year with their money management. Many scam services has come and gone because most touts can't win, br is still here without any changes to their model because it is a working model and their clients like myself always renew.

[paw]

You are way off on this My Man .

I have been on SBR for years and Never Shilled for anyone .

You come on here with your 6 posts and really probably they owner of BR Blasting off about them and how great they are ?


SO HERE WE GO FOR EVERYONE TO READ.................................... ..

You PM ME and give me an SBR Discount, and I will send you the money and wont post any picks at all on any forums not that I ever have, and in 6 months or ON your Terms. IF Your Company Is a Winner.

I Will personal come on here and publically apologize for everything said and on Talkgold

PUT YOUR PICKS WERE YOUR MOUTH IS ...................................

Lets see, if you finally have the Nuts and Guts to CALL OUT PAW.

[TheProdigy8199]

So they use the exact same moneymanagement system that bankrupted subscribers back in 2009? This service is terrible and should be avoided. To charge those kind of prices their client's starting bankroll would need to be close to a $50,000 bankroll to make it even worth the initial investment. Who would be stupid enough to do that? Not to mention the fact that they promote two different packages with 2 different plays. That's an ultimate red flag.

Their website is full of spelling and gramatical errors and their descriptions read like a middle schooler wrote it. BR is the epitome of a service who is simply trying to prey on the naive, that is the reason why people bash them. You can claim their traffic and Alexa rankings are legit, but those can be purchased to make them appear bigger than they are. That's easy. The fact that they claim to be so good, but are not documented anywhere other than than the few people chiming in here with their 4 or 5 posts is a telling sign. So thanks for obviously creating an account here to tell all us how stupid we are for not signing up for a service that no one cares about.

Wow its amazing how all the other service owners in this thread bas Bettingresource. You guys are clueless about money management. They use a 1 to 10 unit scale to rate their plays and most of their standar plays are 8 units. What matters is the % of the bankroll. There 1 unit is only 0.3% of the bankroll. So when they make a 10 unit play their (their max play) it is only 3% of the bankroll. Their money management and methods beats any other touts out there. There are touts out there releasing 100 dimes. 1000 dimes. Million dimes etc without any sense of properly set money management. BR is the only season who has been around for so long and doing it within their pre-set money management and winning consistently. IF you do a quick search on the net you will see that many services subscribe to br (even though it is against br rules as they don't accept other services are anyone affiliated with sportsbooks to join their service) to sell it as their on places. SOon those fools get banned without refund and all they can do is go sour apples in forums as you can see by most of the service guys here bashing br.

Paw, oneguy, nexus are all well known shills.

BR has been around since 2006 and they use the exact same money management and make plays accordingly and they win each year with their money management. Many scam services has come and gone because most touts can't win, br is still here without any changes to their model because it is a working model and their clients like myself always renew.

[oneguy]

Prodigy, you say it best "a service that no one cares about". Just annoy as fuk that this guy keep coming back and tout. Glorie just gtfo, you won't get a client from here, stop wasting your time. Geeeez

[gloriesam]

So they use the exact same moneymanagement system that bankrupted subscribers back in 2009? This service is terrible and should be avoided. To charge those kind of prices their client's starting bankroll would need to be close to a $50,000 bankroll to make it even worth the initial investment. Who would be stupid enough to do that? Not to mention the fact that they promote two different packages with 2 different plays. That's an ultimate red flag.

Their website is full of spelling and gramatical errors and their descriptions read like a middle schooler wrote it. BR is the epitome of a service who is simply trying to prey on the naive, that is the reason why people bash them. You can claim their traffic and Alexa rankings are legit, but those can be purchased to make them appear bigger than they are. That's easy. The fact that they claim to be so good, but are not documented anywhere other than than the few people chiming in here with their 4 or 5 posts is a telling sign. So thanks for obviously creating an account here to tell all us how stupid we are for not signing up for a service that no one cares about.

Betitngresource recommends the 3% max bet strategy for long term bettors. This means, 1 unit is 0.3% of the bankroll. Some don't have the patience and they always try to bet higher % and they would go bust during a downswing...and instead of blaming themselves they point to others.

From the time i remember visiting br website for the first time, they haven't changed anything in their site. Only thing they change in their site is the results that they up date. It is interesting that you mention their poor site design and presentation because that was exactly what held me back and delayed me from joining before i joined. But once you join you would realize that what matters is the picks and results. They don't give a shit about flashy website or hypes and fancy graphs, they keep their clients coming back with their results...you won't see this in most other services because they all lose and they will have to do all sorty of fancy things to suck in a client.

Once again, it goes to show that you are just another person with a below average betting IQ when you say things like needing 50k bankroll to make it work.

Take 2013 for example. This was the year with the biggest downswing and if you stuck to the money management 100% you would have still seen a huge return on investment. IF you didn't read properly, br calls for compounding method for small bankroll bettors. Using the 3% max bet compounding strategy, someone who joined with 5K bankroll would have ended up with about 27K on dec 31, 2013. That is about 22K in gain....and from that 22k subtract whatever you paid for the cost of service and the remaining is your net profit. Their spreadsheet shows all sort of breakdown for someone like you have has trouble understanding simply money management. So even with the current fees of 5k, thats a 17k net profit. But keep in mind that back in late 2012 and early 2013 the subscription price was anywhere from 1500 to 2000. Most of you are stunned by their price increase each year but only if you played their plays faithfully, it would make sense to you. I can see their starting prices going up to the 10k ceiling per year by end of 2015 which would cause wtf reaction to outsiders but their clients would still pay. I know this because, I know i would pay. And the best part is that each year you need to renew only if they make profit as per their guarantee, if not its free.

[gloriesam]

Prodigy, you say it best "a service that no one cares about". Just annoy as fuk that this guy keep coming back and tout. Glorie just gtfo, you won't get a client from here, stop wasting your time. Geeeez

I am not bettingresource. Its a habit in this forum that when anyone praises br, they label them as br themselves. I had a 3+ year old sbr account with over 1k posts and sbr banned be when i praised br because they don't want to reveal real winning services.

But you are right about one thing. I don't think anyone here can afford BR so they probably won't get it. Even if someone manages to get br plays free here, I doubt they would win long term because most of you are clueless about money management.

[nexus13]

I am not bettingresource. Its a habit in this forum that when anyone praises br, they label them as br themselves. I had a 3+ year old sbr account with over 1k posts and sbr banned be when i praised br because they don't want to reveal real winning services.

But you are right about one thing. I don't think anyone here can afford BR so they probably won't get it. Even if someone manages to get br plays free here, I doubt they would win long term because most of you are clueless about money management.

yea it only takes about 333.33 units to go bust according to YOUR SERVICE money management, right?

Dude, we know who you are. We know your writing style. We're definitely not gonna sit here and let you brainwash us with your bogus service. Just stop it or get out of here. You're not winning your service on this forum.

[70'sMan]

I think BR is in tandem with HPD. They have hijacked this thread about a fraud committed by HPD and turned it into a thread about BR.

It has been said that it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and a minute to destroy it. In addition to the bogus CFB record HPD posted a great NFL, NBA and 1/2 half MLB season. As far as I can tell those records are legit. But who knows? Maybe they found another way to falsify those plays. If those records are legit they may still be the best sports service around. They have destroyed any credibility they have. Unfortunately I will never trust anything they claim nor anything off the HWD monitor.

[wildeye]

it seems HPD has been removed from Handicappers Watchdog

[70'sMan]

it seems HPD has been removed from Handicappers Watchdog

Yes and I commend them for doing the right thing. However it is their job to prevent this from occuring in the first place. A lot of people relied on the information that HWD provided. It was not until this thread became public that these allegations were investigated. The fact that these records were on the site for months is unacceptable.

[Youdamnjabroni]

They are scammers. I purchased a year two years ago and was basically break even and with the sub was over 1k in the hole plus juice.

I questioned him a couple times about the lines and was warned to stay "in bounds." I then complained about the lines he was sending and some plays sent like 10-15 minutes before game (makes nearly impossible to line shop). He blocked me and stopped giving me plays saying I was suspended.

I then called my bank and had them open a fraud case because he charged me and wasnt giving the service I paid for. They gave me most of money back. I have screen shots to prove. If anyone wants them then I will send to you. This guy and his "alter egos" ....Mays, etc...need to be stopped. He purchased a bunch of fake followers on Twitter as well. Be very weary.

[oneguy]

I am not bettingresource. Its a habit in this forum that when anyone praises br, they label them as br themselves. I had a 3+ year old sbr account with over 1k posts and sbr banned be when i praised br because they don't want to reveal real winning services.

But you are right about one thing. I don't think anyone here can afford BR so they probably won't get it. Even if someone manages to get br plays free here, I doubt they would win long term because most of you are clueless about money management.

Dude, you are br ..... if not then you are an idiot. Let's look at your money management.
If your bank roll is 10k then your unit size would be $30. So if you win 250 units that still can't cover the service cost. That's stupid.
If your bank roll is 50k then your unit size would be $150. So if you lose 250 units that would be $37,500 of loss. If I lose that much I would hunt your ass down ... I ain't gonna tail you and hope you win again. Beside, @ $150/unit you would bet $1200 on an 8 unit bet. Who the fuk bet $1200 on tennis? Really? Tennis?

So BR is a fuking scam. 8 unit bets just marketing ploy. People who bet big, flat bet. Anyway, many here can afford br but they are not stupid enough to do so.

[gloriesam]

If your bank roll is 10k then your unit size would be $30. So if you win 250 units that still can't cover the service cost. That's stupid.
If your bank roll is 50k then your unit size would be $150. So if you lose 250 units that would be $37,500 of loss. If I lose that much I would hunt your ass down ... I ain't gonna tail you and hope you win again. Beside, @ $150/unit you would bet $1200 on an 8 unit bet. Who the fuk bet $1200 on tennis? Really? Tennis?

Another typical pizza bettor with low betting IQ. First if you lose 200 or 250 units in a span of two months then win 300 units in the following two months, you would be up not down.

2nd, if you read the bankroll/money management you would would know that small bankroll players who want to grow their bankroll woudl compound the profit at the end of each week making the unit size higher. If you lose, you keep the unit size same until the bankroll reaches new high then you increase accordingly. The money management is spelled it out and explained clearly in their website. And for idiots like you who cannot grasp things easily, they even have the formations in the spreadsheet that would make it easy to understand for even those in special ed. If you still don't get it, then it speaks volume about your IQ.

Br produced about 600 units in 2013. They had downswings that year, even their biggest downswing but followed them up with big upswings that were far higher. 10k bankroll person flat betting $30 per unit would have been up about 1800. Those who followed the their compound strategy would have made over 40K.

Just because you don't know tennis doesn't mean rest of the world don't. Tennis, soccer, cricket gets lot more volume world wide than mlb nhl or college games. Major atp and wta tournaments have 10k or higher limits in books like pinnacle and bookmaker and as the tournament goes to round of 16, quarter finals and so on the limits increase even higher. Even small wta/atp tournaments have 4 to 5k limits in the early roudns and goes all the way up to 10k limits in the later rounds of the tournament. You guys are brain washed with these american touts sprouting point spreads and totals and ridiculous numbers. Half of BR plays are straight up doggie money lines in all major sports.

[paw]

Actually what is amazing is that all of your 9 Posts are about Betting Resource ?

I called you out last night in this forum with No Reply back ???? BR IS A DEAD ISSUE WITH ALL OF US.

Hey Hitting pay dirt went 3-1 Today. Maybe he is on to something

[oneguy]

Is there anybody who just read that and believe that this guy is not br or shilling for br? Hahahaha
Dude, we Americans bet on our American football more than all of your other sports combine. Cricket ??? Hahaha.
You read but can't comprehend. If your unit size $150 (that's USD) and you lose 250 units in a 2 month span, you better stop gambling cause you suck. Geeezzzzz.

[oneguy]

Paw, you are right. Fuk br

[nexus13]

Hitting Paydirt not so hot without them faking the records! College Football is in the Negatives! As AJ said.. "College Football is our bread and butter".

Ha! Yea right.

[NJA]

Paydirt's season records if you could get their fantasy lines:


Total: 26-26 -0.30u


NFL:

AJ: 8-7 +2.4u

Mays: 7-5 +3.05u


CFB:

AJ: 6-7 -1.7
Mays: 5-7 -4.05


These records include teasers, halftime plays, buy backs, and the real units that I get via text directly from them.


Come to find out, both AJ and Mays emails come from the same IP address from ONE iPhone. Seems AJ created Mays as a second tout to split up records and subscriptions.

[Indeep]

Paydirt's season records if you could get their fantasy lines:


Total: 26-26 -0.30u


NFL:

AJ: 8-7 +2.4u

Mays: 7-5 +3.05u


CFB:

AJ: 6-7 -1.7
Mays: 5-7 -4.05


These records include teasers, halftime plays, buy backs, and the real units that I get via text directly from them.


Come to find out, both AJ and Mays emails come from the same IP address from ONE iPhone. Seems AJ created Mays as a second tout to split up records and subscriptions.

Im also a Paydirt member and can verify that NJA speaks the truth. This is there actual record. Not very impressive is it?

Also AJ states they weren't kicked off HWD, they just mutually parted ways

[hallandale]

This AJ lies about everything. Does he tell the truth about anything ?

[linebacker67]

This AJ lies about everything. Does he tell the truth about anything ?

Nope.

[gloriesam]

I can't believe that most here still believe that handicapperwatchdog and hittingpaydirt are different people. THEY ARE SAME PEOPLE. Both sites get very low traffic. Those guys created handicapperwatchdog to pimp their own sites. All the sites pimped at handicapperwatch dog are same owners.

NJA,
If you are subscribed to other services pimped at the watchdog, cross check the ips with aj and co and it will all match. I am sure now they will take measures to hide ips but check the emails before this debacle starter.

[HeffreyPicasso]

I can't believe that most here still believe that handicapperwatchdog and hittingpaydirt are different people. THEY ARE SAME PEOPLE. Both sites get very low traffic. Those guys created handicapperwatchdog to pimp their own sites. All the sites pimped at handicapperwatch dog are same owners.

NJA,
If you are subscribed to other services pimped at the watchdog, cross check the ips with aj and co and it will all match. I am sure now they will take measures to hide ips but check the emails before this debacle starter.

this is just wrong, if they were the same people why would HWP ban HPD?

[paw]

I don't think they are the same people. You never know but highly unlikely. HPD Got caught with his hands in the cookie jar and HWD had No choice to blow him out. Look at it this way how other cappers most likely sent HWD emails about this debacle ? Don't think for a minute most of them don't go thru these threads.

They do.

[Indeep]

I don't think they are the same people. You never know but highly unlikely. HPD Got caught with his hands in the cookie jar and HWD had No choice to blow him out. Look at it this way how other cappers most likely sent HWD emails about this debacle ? Don't think for a minute most of them don't go thru these threads.

They do.

I'm not sure if they are the same person or not, but I do know that HPD was setting up a second website to just track their own picks in July. So either they were in bed with HWD all along, with HWD looking the other way, or they were just waiting for the other shoe to drop, so they got busy setting up this second website.

HWD has been notified several times on HPD discrepancies over the last 4 months, and never corrected any that I'm aware of. Also they are unaudited, so what good are they? Anyone could setup a website and call themselves a 3 party watchdog service.

AJ recently said that they will be self monitoring themselves individually, and then eventually will have a new 3 party service monitoring the combined picks of HPD. They love to muddle the picks of AJ & Mays as another method to confuse people.

[gloriesam]

this is just wrong, if they were the same people why would HWP ban HPD?

come on, you can't be that stupid.

HPD got caught, so of course hwp have to ban him to make the watch dog look legit so that hwp can still get clients other sites (all owned by himself) he pimps. all same owners. all these domains pimped their are registered with in the last 2 or 3 years with a plan. any one can register a domain these days for under 10 bucks an year and you can get hosting for $5 bucks a month. if you look at all those sites, they all look like they were put together using fron't page or ms word....there is no proper structure or break down.

i made mistakes like this in the past....joining sites pimpled in watch dog/monitoring sites. Magically they all started losing as soon as i joined. of course that is my past and then i discovered Bettingresource and I never need to use another service again.

[gloriesam]

But i still fade lang though. I pick the post and fade his plays rated 40 units or higher. I also take breaks when football season starts, he usually breaks even in the first two months of football. November is the best month to fade and I have a seperate bankroll set aside for his fades in november.

[nexus13]

Hey Gloryhole gazer, what was your name on here before you got banned for shilling?

[gloriesam]

WinWinWin

[nexus13]

WinWinWin

Too bad that's not what Betting Resource can do for anyone.

[paw]

LOL

Too bad that's not what Betting Resource can do for anyone.

[dugdogg]

the real question is how many other services took advantage of the same games that Dirt exposed in their record. how many others did max bets on those games to pad their records? that's what HWD "should" be investigating. I doubt HPD was the only one to figure that out

[xiahoudun]

the real question is how many other services took advantage of the same games that Dirt exposed in their record. how many others did max bets on those games to pad their records? that's what HWD "should" be investigating. I doubt HPD was the only one to figure that out

Rochestertitans. He was also banned. He had an "impressive" 70%+ on MMA fighting.

[hallandale]

Yep he had a great record in college basketball. Bet he's sorry he got caught he was looking at some big bucks this year ?

[70'sMan]

Those guys were greedy and got caught. The real fear is the guys who were sneakier. Slipping a few games in here and there. In my opinion all records there are suspect. Who knows what other loopholes are available.

I have often thought that Wagner pulls a similar scam on Sports Monitor. We joined a ton of his services back a few years ago. None of them won. Then as soon as our membership expired presto they were back winning. A lot of other people share similar experiences. Ruth lets you email plays so I always figured Donn had a computer with the system time set several hours behind. Time stamp would show that the play was sent before game time but in fact it would have finished. Simply a matter of honestly reporting plays for services with subscribers and all winners for the others. No complaints. I have no proof of that but I have always had suspicions.