HittingPayDirt. Super Tout or Super Dud ?

dugdogg · 10-10-14, 02:47 AM

more picks last year vs this year?

hallandale · 10-10-14, 05:33 AM

They have not won since all star break. They win one lose two. And they do not give out widely available lines?

70'sMan · 10-10-14, 06:42 AM

They guys seem to be pretty sharp but picking off rogue numbers at casinos in Vegas does not translate into a winning service. See Fezzik. Listing a +3 from Stations when everyone offshore is at 2.5 does a disservice to their clientele. RAS gets bashed for moving lines. In HPD's case the line has largely moved before the play comes out. I am honestly surprised they are not getting more crap for it. Pregame gets skewered for the same practice.

Great year last year no doubt. However I am not convinced they can repeat it. Time will tell.

Mitch Player · 10-10-14, 07:10 AM

You have to buy points more often than not to get their lines which at the end of a long season can account for a massive difference in what they profited compared to yourself. Plus as others have mentioned here before unit sizes are sometimes different from what they list on hwg. And they have had plays emailed or twittered out that don't get tracked. Some win some lose but at that point tracking becomes pointless. If your gonna be on a monitoring site, all your plays should be monitored not just select ones

70'sMan · 10-10-14, 08:17 AM

Honestly I don't think these guys have made the transition from advantage player to sports service yet. Last year's success maybe pushed them ahead too fast. If you are going to be a service the released plays must match the monitor exactly. Also as it is 2014 and not 2004 most people only have a handful of outs. If the line is not available at Bookmaker or 5 dimes you probably shouldn't use it. Otherwise you just open yourself up to criticism.

hallandale · 10-10-14, 08:38 AM

Yep your right I'm sure they get plenty of complaints. If they don't do anything about it they will be out of business can't get away with this BS forever. Hope they visit this site ?

70'sMan · 10-10-14, 08:42 AM

I think they do read these threads. So I hope they read this and take it as constructive criticism.

edwjim · 10-10-14, 09:05 AM

I've been tracking their football (college and nfl) picks since end of august. So far they're up 6.5 units. not that great in my books. I might have missed a few plays, but pretty sure the number won't be that much greater or smaller.

hallandale · 10-10-14, 09:19 AM

On their site it show NFL +6.6-college - 4.35 and that with their lines. Clients about even ?

bossman71 · 10-10-14, 09:27 AM

I have been monitoring them all season in football and some of mlb, they seem to be legit other than the slight line difference posted... the thing that gets me is on twitter if you click there tweets alot people had subcribtions complains and there sub is taken away and they are blocked. Plus another note, they have fake followers too (not a good sign in my guys). Last thing that really get me is the season records in NCAA, NFL, and NBA dating back to 2010 when I have done multiple searches and have found nothing about any records or plays back then. (they were around back then tho). My point if they were producing these kind of numbers why are ppl just hearing about them now?

Overall, still have not come to a conclusion with these guys but it does have its preceptions to being a scam. But since i have been following I dont have any strong evidence of this.

nexus13 · 10-10-14, 09:33 AM

Not even close to numbers from last year. Still being "selective" and steadily losing. Lines are fantasy numbers that they just throw out. Way off from the numbers at most of the books. It makes me wonder if they were really even that good last year. But they will preach and preach about alot of stuff on social media.

How about producing winning results with the lines people can actually get, huh?

Otherwise, they're surely on their way to becoming a scum Tout who's only focus making subscription sales instead of actually winning (which is what they're doing right now).

nexus13 · 10-10-14, 09:45 AM

Also, they claim to get the "best" number. Well.. The "best" number doesn't exist for 99% of the time. All they really do is TOUT their subscription with unreliable results, preach about some BS and throw out a few unverifiable stats for teams.

paw · 10-10-14, 10:21 AM

Like I said when I started this thread, and why I asked ?

If you look at Handicappers watchdog based on last-years results and up to this season so far In football Its Way Off all the way around ?

Somewhere in the Haystack the needle is in.

Question Is ? Legit site or the Opposite. Time will Tell.

zert · 10-10-14, 10:24 AM

They also split up to double their subscriptions.

NJA · 10-10-14, 10:44 AM

here is the needle in the haystack:

on 10/19 last year, they logged 18 plays on HWD, going 17-1.

most were 5 plays

the games they logged showed a start time after they they were already over.

they found a glitch in HWD and took advantage of it and used it to pad their records while they had no clients

they have not had one 5 play this season and have had a max of 4 plays on a saturday.

this is about as shady as it gets, words cant even describe.

paw · 10-10-14, 10:50 AM

That was kind of the concern I had ! With that being said and playing devils advocate here.

How can anyone prove that ? If their is indeed solid Proof, that is a whole another Story.

Also if its true were as they are releasing Rogue lines and such THAT ISNT SHARP AT ALL.

If they are also releasing questionable Underdogs That is Another Shaky Sign. If indeed that is happening .

I can only go by Twitter/ HWD at this point.

JoeyCrackTheDon · 10-10-14, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by NJA

here is the needle in the haystack:

on 10/19 last year, they logged 18 plays on HWD, going 17-1.

most were 5 unit plays

the games they logged showed a start time after they they were already over.

they found a glitch in HWD and took advantage of it and used it to pad their records while they had no clients

they have not had one 5 unit play this season and have had a max of 4 plays on a saturday.

this is about as shady as it gets, words cant even describe.

Holy smokes! Good find. Indeed shady.

jefff · 10-10-14, 11:14 AM

cant recommend HPD. they release picks at lines that are completely unobtainable because they do it after the steam hits. they arent very good at it, picking many losers, and they seriously fudged their CFB records last year. shady

paw · 10-10-14, 11:25 AM

Again if indeed half of this is True, then they wont get my $$.

HWD I would think should addressee this issue as it makes him look like sh-t! How do you even trust his site.

Which now would lead into How do you verify any Touts overall Records ?

I will stick with John Patrick. At least he keeps the loses down to a real min................

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 11:54 AM

I found something really troubling on Handicappers Watchdog regarding Paydirt a week or so ago. If you look at the two things I highlighted in the attached image you can see that on 10/19 HWD graded this Vanderbilt vs Georgia bet at 2 different times. One at 12PM and the other at 9PM. I am really wondering when I see these three 5 unit plays on the same game as you see scattered throughout this day if these weren't past posted. All of these games have the wrong time listed and the games actually finished earlier in the day. From what I have seen so far Paydirt doesn't seem like the type to release three 5 unit plays on the same game let alone 3 times in the same day. Were any of you guys with Paydirt at this time last year and can confirm that they actually did this? I am wondering if HWD had some issues with game times or something that day and Paydirt took great advantage of it. If you look at 10/19 there were 18 plays and there were 9 of them were 5u plays on the same three games. Of course all 9 of these plays hit and the day in general if true was one of legend. 18-1 for +73.25 units. Whatever actually happened I am not sure but I know something doesn't seem right with HWD and I don't know if I can put much if any faith in them. If you take that one magical day away Paydirt was 39-26 +56.5 units for the year but that's if you can trust anything else HWD says. I I just thought I would share.

nexus13 · 10-10-14, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by NJA

here is the needle in the haystack:

on 10/19 last year, they logged 18 plays on HWD, going 17-1.

most were 5 unit plays

the games they logged showed a start time after they they were already over.

they found a glitch in HWD and took advantage of it and used it to pad their records while they had no clients

they have not had one 5 unit play this season and have had a max of 4 plays on a saturday.

this is about as shady as it gets, words cant even describe.

wow wow wow! I'm calling them out!!!

Someone above also mentioned that they split their subscription to get more money and that's completely true! You can never find their lines! They're as bad as the Animals!

I always knew a service cannot be this good. There are no needle in the haystack! Just gotta follow TOUT plays as a guideline and creat your own system!

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 12:48 PM

I emailed Handicappers Watchdog about the discrepancies listed above over a week ago multiple times and I have yet to hear anything back. You would think that the screenshot I provided that showed they graded the same wager at two different times would have been evidence enough to let them know something was not right there. Either Handicappers Watchdog is complicit in this fraud of they just don't care which is BS because they are supposed to be monitoring these touts. If they aren't going to take claims about fraud seriously then they are frauds themselves.

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 01:08 PM

Also these two plays always stuck out to me when looking at their record just due to them laying 5 units on such a big ML dog and guess what this game was not played at the time listed either. This game was played at 2PM not 10PM. I call shenanigans!

hallandale · 10-10-14, 01:19 PM

What game was that ?

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 01:25 PM

11/16/2013 Arizona vs Washington St. Handicappers Watchdog has it listed at 10pm but I have checked multiple places and the game was played at 2pm ET. Very strange that they just so happened to lay 5u +11 on Washington St. and 5u on Washington St. ML at +340 for a sweet 22u of profit. It's pretty easy to pick a big upset like that when the game is already over.

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 01:30 PM

They only had 2 +money ML plays all year in NCAAF. Both were 5u, both look to be past posted and of course both of them won.

Indeep · 10-10-14, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by jefff

cant recommend HPD. they release picks at lines that are completely unobtainable because they do it after the steam hits. they arent very good at it, picking many losers, and they seriously fudged their CFB records last year. shady

This is 100% accurate. Scamdicappers all the way. Look at one of there NFL picks on HWD from last year. They bet and won 5 units on the Pro Bowl. The Pro Bowl?! Seriously?????

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 02:11 PM

According to HWD it was only 2u on the pro bowl which seems reasonable. The ones I am concerned about are the past posted games where they play the total, ML, and spread for 5u a piece and make 15u on the same game. This has happened multiple times in NCAAF 2013. I have had their service for about 3 months now and can attest that they have yet to release a 5u play in all that time let alone three 5u plays on the same game. Their record is 38-42 on HWD basically break even unit wise but I am down probably close to 20 units because they don't include teasers, halftime plays, buybacks and all of the juice I have to lay to get their numbers. Personally I am very disappointed with their service and am about to just call it quits with them unless I get some answers on all of this shady business. I would recommend you stay far away unless you want to deal with all of this nonsense. Just last night I got a play from them on the Texans +3 which I had lay -125 to get but on HWD it's listed at +2.5 +100. Just more juice pissed in the wind.

JoeyCrackTheDon · 10-10-14, 03:32 PM

They've definitely been about break even for a few months now and when you consider the subscription fees, it's been a losing proposition for a while now.

But this manipulating of their records and units won is inexcusable. I used to think they were above the fray when it came to touts but they're looking more and more like the animals these days.

paw · 10-10-14, 04:40 PM

It seems to be very Shaky at best.

Lets see if HWD or Paydirt answer to this Concerns ? Maybe some of their members should email them this link and that way, they cant dodge any questions ?

I have to think a few current members are reading thru this Thread

DrSteveBrule · 10-10-14, 04:47 PM

I have emailed HWD several times over the last 2 weeks and I have yet to hear anything back. Like others have said if you email Paydirt they will cut off your subscription and block you so you are pretty much screwed.

nexus13 · 10-10-14, 05:00 PM

Handicappers Watchdog is their Tout Daddy! And Hitting Paydirt is their Tout bottom b*tch.

Watchdog usually return emails within minutes. If they haven't reply back to you, then you know for sure something fishy is going on! This guy name Alex is the owner of Watchdog.

Hey Alex, AJ, and Mark! You guys better be reading this and come out with the answer.

Ironman07 · 10-10-14, 05:02 PM

Well when you take moment to digest what has been said.. if they found a loophole and exploited this shame on them... I very much agree with the poster that said if the lines cant be had at 5 dimes or bookmaker they are not realistic. anyone can claim they had a better line when in fact all they are doing is fudging and playing non existent lines. They arent the only service to play this game. Behind the Bets is very crafty at posting stale lines and changing the ratings as they go along. The animals are another.. it takes a while but everyone needs to take the many hours of research and practical time to see which sources can be trusted.. After all the edge is small and you should never trust records without a thorough examination.
In final consideration anyone should have known that the record they posted aren't realistic.

gloriesam · 10-10-14, 05:05 PM

Most of the repliers and the thread started in the thread are affiliated with other services. This whole service play in every forum is a joke and its sole purpose is to penetrate up the bettors. Many decent cappers sway away from their own games after reading some ridiculous picks from ridiculous cappers. It is safe to bet that you can find all sort of info on both side of the games and all sort of cappers on every side leaving the bettor confused and not sticking with their own plays. This leads them to penetrate up and making random plays that will either land them around 50% or make them lose in the long run.

Forums don't let winning services get posted or discussed. Good example is bettingresource, a real winning service that all forums don't want. Instead we get these preceived so caled winning cappers such as ras/drbob etc that you will never be able to use to your advantage. This forum has banned many bettingresource clients have have had their usernames for many years with over 1000 posts just for simply saying positive thing about bettingresource. I had a 4 year old user name with about 2k posts, and i was banned because i posted a positive comment about bettingresource in one of the threads. The common practice is that if you post your positive experience about bettingresource, they label you as bettingresource themselves and ban you.

In reality, bettingresource is the only service that wins. They even exposed these so called watchdog sites and sports documenters in an article using their own experience with those services. It is a great article named sports monitors or something like that in their article section that everyone must read.

I cant believe the stupidity in the replies in this thread. It is obvious that hittingpaydirt is owned by the handicappingwatchdog site themselves. They HPD didnt take advantage of a glitch in HWD---there was no glitch. Since they are the admin, they can post the picks after the game ends to pad the results. Bettingnresource exposed many scams like this even before these dirtbags did this last year.

I really feel sorry for all of you. But again most of you are services themselves in sheeps clothign so i hope all the readers understand that and act cautiously.