Easiest way to place bets in Vegas? Thinking about a runner

[gamblingisfun]

I'd love getting paid in actual cash and I don't live in nevada or know anyone there that can bet for me so that's not possible at this time. Is that even legal to bet for someone else? Is anyone here currently doing something like that and is it working out?

[Fishhead]

Bearding is illegal on the beards end.....

[gamblingisfun]

I was reading somewhere that it might not be illegal if the person betting has some money in the bet as well, that makes it a partnership

[jjgold]

federal offense

DO NOT DO

[Big Bear]

federal offense

DO NOT DO

is it really a federal offense?

if so that is crazy.

why worry about some dude having a runner?

[jjgold]

interstate gambling...

Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or bot

[GP]

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[smitch124]

interstate gambling...

Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or bot

Isn't this the online gambling law? What does it have to do with running in Vegas?

[rm18]

Lol and not to mention jj sayng he was bearding in other posts through the years

[jjgold]

the illegal part is the transfer of money across state lines for sports gambling outside of Nevada

If no money trades hands and the runner just making bets in Vegas its not illegal

[scumbag]

I was reading somewhere that it might not be illegal if the person betting has some money in the bet as well, that makes it a partnership

But the fact that you're out of state is what gets ya. Can't run a casino betting syndicate from anywhere other than NV. Even then you have to form these groups where the runners are investors to get around the messengering law.

[vividjohn45]

Id do it if i got to wear a rabbi beard across state line.

[James D]

Why have a runner Unless you are big big time. Four major books allow phone wagering . You could fly to vegas open accounts tie them to an ipad or iphone you have to leave in vegas. Then all your "runner" has to do is sit in his house and use the phone for bets . The money is in your name also so you are safe which is the most important thing.

william hill
cantor
stations
orleans

[jjgold]

Most Vegas phone apps take a low maximum wagers

[James D]

Most Vegas phone apps take a low maximum wagers

Cantor doesn't blink when I bet 5k. I hear they don't blink for much higher either. William hill betting 3k isn't a problem and lifetime I am up there. How deep you think he wants to go? LOL

Open your own accounts and have someone else bet is the safest and smartest way hands down. Your runner can't steal your money, they don't have to run around from book to book so expenses are low, it's just a simple phone call. You have access to four solid books in a 1 minute time span. Tell me a better solution

[TheCentaur]

Fed alert

[TheMoneyShot]

Must be Obama's handle

[jjgold]

It's highly illegal many people have gone to jail because it

Let's stop now and play by the rules

[rkelly110]

interstate gambling...

Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or bot

Well, I guess just about everyone here (from the US) will be going to jail for two years. 99% of us have offshore accounts. While in jail, we all will have our own "runners" placing our bets for us.

[jjgold]

you guys have zero clue

its a rookie thread with many rookies in it

many gambling busts directly tied to Vegas runners

[reedy]

Robert F 'penetrating' Kennedy

Let us know how it works out though.

[jjgold]

Did more research this morning

Any electronic communication to Las Vegas/Nevada suggesting placing a bet is highly illegal and you will go to jail

Boys you better be careful

[sbrhedge]

Fed alert

+1

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/saloon/2928035-fbi-surveillance.html

funny how this thread on running bets started when the surveillance was picked up 4 days ago

[gamblingisfun]

Why have a runner Unless you are big big time. Four major books allow phone wagering . You could fly to vegas open accounts tie them to an ipad or iphone you have to leave in vegas. Then all your "runner" has to do is sit in his house and use the phone for bets . The money is in your name also so you are safe which is the most important thing.

william hill
cantor
stations
orleans

I like it. Sounds like a great idea, they wouldn't know my voice from any other guys voice. But who's to say they can't steal my money? If they can log into the account couldn't they cash it out too? I'll just have to make some trusted friends next time I'm in Vegas. Also, if a phone is gonna be registered to me do I need to have an in state address?

[sbrhedge]

I like it. Sounds like a great idea, they wouldn't know my voice from any other guys voice. But who's to say they can't steal my money? If they can log into the account couldn't they cash it out too? I'll just have to make some trusted friends next time I'm in Vegas. Also, if a phone is gonna be registered to me do I need to have an in state address?

Walter's runner at the M tried to steal 400K by pretending there was a robbery. Hard to find trustworthy people.

On the flip side, I wouldn't want to be a runner - if I get held up, I'm responsible for the money. What if there is a setup by the money guy?

Too many risks.

[gamblingisfun]

Ok, what if I had a friend in another country with legal access to a pinny account, could I give him/her plays to make with their own money, and then however they want to send me the money after it's all said and done has nothing to do with gambling. So technically it's not my money being gambled, just my advice/plays. Is that a legal possibility?

[Russian Rocket]

Ok, what if I had a friend in another country with legal access to a pinny account, could I give him/her plays to make with their own money, and then however they want to send me the money after it's all said and done has nothing to do with gambling. So technically it's not my money being gambled, just my advice/plays. Is that a legal possibility?

yes it's legal...you become a what's called a sports consultant...or a tout

when you get the cash from your friend, you'd still have to explain to IRS where the money came from
not sure if you have to claim every money transfer, but if it's over 5K, the bank will automatically notify IRS for ya

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

yes it's legal...you become a what's called a sports consultant...or a tout

But in this particular case, wouldn't the sports consulting essentially be a front for bearding?

I am just assuming, by what the nature of the thread is, that you don't actually plan to become a legitimate tout.

[Russian Rocket]

But in this particular case, wouldn't the sports consulting essentially be a front for bearding?

I am just assuming, by what the nature of the thread is, that you don't actually plan to become a legitimate tout.

he is getting paid for an advice...nothing more than that really
his friend will be placing his own bet with his own money

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see anything wrong with it

[jjgold]

Ok, what if I had a friend in another country with legal access to a pinny account, could I give him/her plays to make with their own money, and then however they want to send me the money after it's all said and done has nothing to do with gambling. So technically it's not my money being gambled, just my advice/plays. Is that a legal possibility?

disaster waiting to happen

Love these guys

If your so good move to a legal area where you can place bets yourself

game over

[gamblingisfun]

Well it would be my own money that I'd put up, I'd just have to have the trusted person use their money first so I wouldn't have to explain why I transferred a bunch of money to another country. And I'd pay it back if I lost.

[gamblingisfun]

disaster waiting to happen

Love these guys

If your so good move to a legal area where you can place bets yourself

game over

Some things are more important than making money. I have a life, job, family, etc. I don't wanna just up and move away. Only make extra money reliably.

[Plaza23]

Why have a runner Unless you are big big time. Four major books allow phone wagering . You could fly to vegas open accounts tie them to an ipad or iphone you have to leave in vegas. Then all your "runner" has to do is sit in his house and use the phone for bets . The money is in your name also so you are safe which is the most important thing.

william hill
cantor
stations
orleans

Why would you need to leave the ipad or iphone in Las Vegas? Couldnt you take it with you and still place the bets? What is stopping someone from signing up for an account at one of those places and using their app to place bets?

[Russian Rocket]

Why would you need to leave the ipad or iphone in Las Vegas? Couldnt you take it with you and still place the bets? What is stopping someone from signing up for an account at one of those places and using their app to place bets?

Plaza, there is a great book by Andrew Carnegie, called "Think and Grow Rich"....I highly recommend it

[RealSlimShady]

Why would you need to leave the ipad or iphone in Las Vegas? Couldnt you take it with you and still place the bets? What is stopping someone from signing up for an account at one of those places and using their app to place bets?

The apps use the cell phone locator to make sure you're in nevada when placing wagers.