Blackjack (21) Question ?

[thunderous]

You can play it however you want, but sorry to tell you, taking even money is a negative expected value wager, and a pretty bad one at that (assuming a standard table where BJ pays 3-2).

Hmmmmmmm...... maybe that's why the casino always offers it to players.

If you go with that thinking then you shouldn't be entering the casino because by the same logic "maybe that's why the casinos have endless blackjack tables."
Of course they offer they have an edge! But then show me one game, one bet a player can make where the casinos don't have an edge.
You didn't include the second part of my post which says its a -200 bet...tell me how many times do you feel right betting a -200 favorite?
Even though you might win 3-4 in a row eventually its gonna come back n bite you if you keep betting -200 favs same with not taking even money in BlackJack.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

If you go with that thinking then you shouldn't be entering the casino because by the same logic "maybe that's why the casinos have endless blackjack tables."
Of course they offer they have an edge! But then show me one game, one bet a player can make where the casinos don't have an edge.
You didn't include the second part of my post which says its a -200 bet...tell me how many times do you feel right betting a -200 favorite?
Even though you might win 3-4 in a row eventually its gonna come back n bite you if you keep betting -200 favs same with not taking even money in BlackJack.

You're clueless if you think even money in the correct mathematical decision in Black Jack.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

The answer is: NEVER TAKE THE EVEN MONEY ON YOUR BLACKJACK.


Here’s why:


When the dealer has an Ace showing, you’re going to PUSH approximately 30.74% of the time.


Also consider that you will have a blackjack approximately 6.4% of the time when the dealer shows an Ace.


Without taking the even money, you’ll get the 3 to 2 payout 69.26% of the time.


Considering all factors, when you do the math, you’ll be better off by 3.89% when you do not take the casino’s offer of even money.


Here’s something else to consider. Do you think the casino offers the even money bet because they like you? Or because it’s something they owe you?


No.


It’s because even money is a sucker bet.


Don’t be a sucker. NEVER take the even money on your blackjack.

[sourtwist]

You're clueless if you think even money in the correct mathematical decision in Black Jack.

It is not a perfect decision. But....it is a guaranteed win, and one that can sometimes be the correct play.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

It is not a perfect decision. But....it is a guaranteed win, and one that can sometimes be the correct play.

Of course. In the OP's position I would take even money but that doesn't make it the best mathematical choice. Thunderous seems to think letting it ride is -200.

[thunderous]

Of course. In the OP's position I would take even money but that doesn't make it the best mathematical choice. Thunderous seems to think letting it ride is -200.

Tell me how its not a -200 bet? No matter what the fukking edge is or whatever the mathematical chances you have to win...lets say you push only if the dealer flips King of Spades and win on any other card it's still -200 because you are risking guaranteed 100 to win 50.

And as for taking Even being a sucker bet let me break the news to you that if you play a sucker game where someone else (House) has an edge then you ARE better off taking the sucker bet (Even money) every time.

[Sam Odom]

In the OP's position I would take even money...

[captrobey]

I would take even money because you have had a bad day up to that point and even money would guarantee you all your money back plus a nice little amount more. But if you lose you end up having an even tougher night along with probably major depression.

[captrobey]

Of course. In the OP's position I would take even money but that doesn't make it the best mathematical choice. Thunderous seems to think letting it ride is -200.

I agree with this that if it were not the last bet and i had more time or even up at that point i would take the chance, But he said it was the last bet. So either lose and be down over $5000 or take even money and win all your losses back plus $700.

[Slanina]

I vote take even money.

Although money is relative. $2300 is a good chunk to lose at a casino to me. But $2300 could be a 20oz pepsi to others.

[captrobey]

I vote take even money.

Although money is relative. $2300 is a good chunk to lose at a casino to me. But $2300 could be a 20oz pepsi to others.

Yes but if the last hand loses dont forget he loses not $2300 but $5300 . So his choices if my math is right is...

Lose the hand and lose - $5300
A Guaranteed Take Even Money and take +700 after all your loses back
Or win and take home +$2200

Remember its the last hand

[gauchojake]

it's either even money or push no loss can happen on that hand

[captrobey]

Oh wait what am i thinking he has BJ right? So he cannot lose. He can only Tie and break even. So

Push and still lose -$2300
Even money and take home +$700
Or win and take home +2200

I would still do even money since its last hand.

[captrobey]

it's either even money or push no loss can happen on that hand

Lol your right i was writing the above when i realized that .

[gauchojake]

Lol your right i was writing the above when i realized that .

No worries...I went back and read the thread again just in case I missed something and we were talking about a different hand

[Optional]

Here's another one.


You have been playing all day and are up to $7500 total (cant recall starting amount but it's 5 or 6k profit) and have decided it's time to go home.

You are such a degen that whilst walking out you decide to put a max $2500 bet on a random BJ table to make it either 5k or 10k

You are dealt 88 and the dealer shows a 6

Do you split them and risk another 2500?

First 8 gets an A for soft 19.

Second one, a 3 comes up to make 11, do you double on that and risk your entire 7.5k on that hand?


This really happened.

[captrobey]

Here's another one


You have been playing all day and are up to $7500 total (cant recall starting amount but it's 5 or 6k profit) and have decided it's time to go home.

You are such a degen that whilst walking out you decide to put a max $2500 bet on a random BJ table to make it either 5k or 10k

You are dealt 88 and the dealer shows a 6

Do you split them and risk another 2500?

First 8 gets an A for soft 19.

Second one, a 3 comes up to make 11, do you double on that and risk your entire 7.5k on that hand?


This really happened.

Wow yes i would split them since i am up and yes i would DD on the 11 . Splitting and DDing i think gives you a better chance then just sitting on a 16 . The 19 is not a bad hand against a 6 and you still may pull the 21 with the other. Even if you do not he is showing a 6 and may go over. Gotta do it.

[Optional]

Wow yes i would split them since i am up and yes i would DD on the 11 . Splitting and DDing i think gives you a better chance then just sitting on a 16 . The 19 is not a bad hand against a 6 and you still may pull the 21 with the other. Even if you do not he is showing a 6 and may go over. Gotta do it.

Yeah, agree. Very tough to not follow through all the way once you have started, and have the 19 sitting there.

This was about 25 years ago (so 7.5k felt more like 25k does now)

A friend and I had driven about 3 hours to the closest casino at the time and he did this on our way out to drive home.

He did make the double and drew something like a 2 or 3.

Dealer turned over a 10 to make 16 and we started cheering for another big card.

Of course it was a 5 to make 21.

Man that was a horrible drive home with a very disappointed degen who couldn't think about anything else for the entire 3 hours.

I'd come out about 2k ahead and ended up giving him half that just to try and stop him acting like he needed to kill himself.

[Optional]

Oh btw... if he had not split the 88 then the dealer would have busted and he could have walked with the 10k as originally planned.

[Sam Odom]

opti & sammy are old degenerates

[captrobey]

Yeah, agree. Very tough to not follow through all the way once you have started, and have the 19 sitting there.

This was about 25 years ago (so 7.5k felt more like 25k does now)

A friend and I had driven about 3 hours to the closest casino at the time and he did this on our way out to drive home.

He did make the double and drew something like a 2 or 3.

Dealer turned over a 10 to make 16 and we started cheering for another big card.

Of course it was a 5 to make 21.

Man that was a horrible drive home with a very disappointed degen who couldn't think about anything else for the entire 3 hours.

I'd come out about 2k ahead and ended up giving him half that just to try and stop him acting like he needed to kill himself.

Yea that was the worst that could have happened i am sure that devastated him. But at least he was playing with their money . Overall though i think the advantage swings to the player if you split them. Of course if this were online it would have backfired every time.

[mohye1980]

I quit playing blackjack after I got a pair of 7's, split em' and got another 7. Split em'. This continued until I had 4 hands, $50 on each. I got ANOTHER 7, I tried to split a 5th time and the dealer informed me I could not split again, that I had reached the maximum. I went on to lose all 4 hands. Who knows what would have happened if I had been permitted to split again. This was at Bill's btw.

The casino games keeps these places in business. The sportsbook is the only place you can hurt em'!!!!!

Sounds like a hit would've been your best move unless dealers was showing a 5 or 6.

[gauchojake]

Opti just reading that story is making me sick to my stomach

[vividjohn45]

Ok.... you've been playing for hours , down 2,300.00 dollars - half drunk , tired and sleepy

You think, "fuuk it!" -- Put your last $3K in the circle for one last bet

You get a natural 21 A/Q - Blackjack

Dealer shows Ace

Do you take 'even money' or gamble and hope the dealer does not get a Blackjack also ?

Sams you take insurance. Unless its uncle eddies retirement fund. Then fuk it. Im all in.

[vividjohn45]

I vote take even money.

Although money is relative. $2300 is a good chunk to lose at a casino to me. But $2300 could be a 20oz pepsi to others.

Or a 5 girl orgy

[Sam Odom]

Playing 0.0001 btc Blackjack at Nitro this Morning

about 72c per hand

[DoctorStrong]

Ok.... you've been playing for hours , down 2,300.00 dollars - half drunk , tired and sleepy

You think, "fuuk it!" -- Put your last $3K in the circle for one last bet

You get a natural 21 A/Q - Blackjack

Dealer shows Ace

Do you take 'even money' or gamble and hope the dealer does not get a Blackjack also ?

if you're thinking long term do not take even money it's a moronic proposition

[cyclingbettor]

It's pretty much the same as any other "should I hedge" question. Taking the offer is -ev, but if the $3000 is worth enough to you maybe you take it. Based on the amount of money you had on the table to begin with, I probably wouldn't take the offer, but that's just me.

[jose21_us]

Go for that shit every time.

[Shute]

Ok.... you've been playing for hours , down 2,300.00 dollars - half drunk , tired and sleepy

You think, "fuuk it!" -- Put your last $3K in the circle for one last bet

You get a natural 21 A/Q - Blackjack

Dealer shows Ace

Do you take 'even money' or gamble and hope the dealer does not get a Blackjack also ?

Absolutely 100%

[TommieGunshot]

Ok.... you've been playing for hours , down 2,300.00 dollars - half drunk , tired and sleepy

You think, "fuuk it!" -- Put your last $3K in the circle for one last bet

You get a natural 21 A/Q - Blackjack

Dealer shows Ace

Do you take 'even money' or gamble and hope the dealer does not get a Blackjack also ?

Since you're asking about what I would do, I would only bet if I had enough to cover all splits and doubles, so even with a $3,000 bet out, I still have another $12k or so in my pocket, so to say it's my last $3000 violates all logic. At +3 or higher I take insurance, anything else I don't. Seems pretty obvious to me.

[Sam Odom]

Playing 0.0001 btc Blackjack at Nitro this Morning

about 72c per hand

won about $20 yesterday with BJ... lost it all plus some tho on sports

[jjgold]

Took 2
Weeks off
Online casinos

[biggie12]

Since you're asking about what I would do, I would only bet if I had enough to cover all splits and doubles, so even with a $3,000 bet out, I still have another $12k or so in my pocket, so to say it's my last $3000 violates all logic. At +3 or higher I take insurance, anything else I don't. Seems pretty obvious to me.

not sure what point system you are using but u shouldnt be taking any insurnance on a +3 unless you are using an advanced system with no room for error. in the long run +4 or better would be ideal. Taking with a true count of +3 with not a good penetratrd deck will be -ev over time

[SBR Drew]