If Memphis is a #1 seed they will make great fade material!!!!

yisman · 03-19-09, 08:47 PM

Hey ZBOIZ, I'll bet you Memphis makes the Sweet 16. They don't suck, as I've been trying to tell you.

Oklahoma sucks.

ZBOIZ · 03-19-09, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Hey ZBOIZ, I'll bet you Memphis makes the Elite Eight. They don't suck.

Oklahoma sucks.

OK!

ZBOIZ · 03-19-09, 08:49 PM

I guess Cal State Northridge really deserved to be a 4th seed

yisman · 03-19-09, 08:50 PM

seriously, you're making yourself look stupid here.

ZBOIZ · 03-19-09, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by yisman

seriously, you're making yourself look stupid here.

Why?

Because I want say that Memphis is a elite basketball team

yisman · 03-19-09, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

Why?

Because I want say that Memphis is a elite basketball team

I know you want to say it. You would be saying it had you watched them at all this season.

You said Memphis sucks. Only a completely ignorant and biased person who hasn't watched college basketball this year would say that.

TPowell · 03-19-09, 10:45 PM

Memphis does suck for a team that was "supposed" to get a #1 seed. Who do they have? Tyreke Evans? No CDR, no Dorsey, no Rose= Nothing. I might bet Maryland as well, idk yet

yisman · 03-19-09, 10:48 PM

That's ignorant. They don't suck at all.

They were very impressive this season and they're easily the best #2 seed.

They have a brutal setup because they're playing out West and they draw Maryland in the second round. Maryland is a giant-killer. They've beaten Michigan State, North Carolina, and Wake Forest.

yisman · 03-19-09, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Memphis does suck for a team that was "supposed" to get a #1 seed. Who do they have? Tyreke Evans? No CDR, no Dorsey, no Rose= Nothing. I might bet Maryland as well, idk yet

You only even know Chris Douglas-Roberts, Joey Dorsey, and Derrick Rose from Memphis's Final Four run last year.

You're clearly not familiar with the team. Same for ZBOIZ.

TPowell · 03-19-09, 10:51 PM

lol really? They are that much better than Oklahoma? That much better than most of the 3's? They havent done shit this year and they dont have the talent that a lot of other teams do anyway. They don't have a coach that can get the job done. They have NOTHING. I dont care if they win it all, he can come back and bust my balls about it but I seriously doubt they even get to the Final 4.

TPowell · 03-19-09, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by yisman

You only even know Chris Douglas-Roberts, Joey Dorsey, and Derrick Rose from Memphis's Final Four run last year.

You're clearly not familiar with the team. Same for ZBOIZ.

I know that Dozier, Taggart, and Henderson-Niles aren't that great down low. Dorsey was a man on the boards against ANYONE. CDR was the heart and soul of that team. He could really score and do the little things. Rose was no doubt a great PG, something that Evans isnt. Seriously, who else does Memphis have?

kroyrunner89 · 03-19-09, 10:56 PM

memphis has played 5 quality teams all year, and are 2-3 in those games. when you play a schedule that soft, of course your defense is #1 in the nation! they may have enough to beat maryland, but they're not getting any deeper than that

yisman · 03-19-09, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

lol really? They are that much better than Oklahoma?

Yes.

That much better than most of the 3's?

Yes.

They havent done shit this year and they dont have the talent that a lot of other teams do anyway.

You don't watch much college basketball.

They don't have a coach that can get the job done.

Really? Care to review what Calipari has done in his career? I'll take him over 95% of college basketball coaches.

They have NOTHING.

Yeah, because you think their entire team last year was three players. The three players you heard about left, ergo they suck. Very logical.

I dont care if they win it all, he can come back and bust my balls about it but I seriously doubt they even get to the Final 4.

Who is he? And "even" get to the Final Four? What, they need to get to at least the Final Four? They suck if they don't win the title? If UNC doesn't win it all, I'll remind you that the team you root for sucks. You good with that?

I'm not sure if they'll win it all or get to the Final Four. They have a decent chance, though.

I don't even like Memphis. I do recognize that they have a good team and don't "suck", though.

yisman · 03-19-09, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by kroyrunner89

memphis has played 5 quality teams all year, and are 2-3 in those games. when you play a schedule that soft, of course your defense is #1 in the nation! they may have enough to beat maryland, but they're not getting any deeper than that

If they beat Maryland, I'm willing to bet you that they will make the Elite Eight.

well, the five games involved:

Gonzaga: They pummeled Gonzaga on the road.
Xavier: lost in a close one on a neutral court
Tennessee: road win
Syracuse: lost at home
UAB: blew them out twice

They didn't play as strong a schedule as some other teams, but they were extremely impressive. You can't disregard teams just because they don't play in the ACC or Big East.

TPowell · 03-19-09, 11:00 PM

dude I know who Memphis has, I ****ing live college basketball year around and I'm telling you that they really dont have the talent to overcome their lack of intelligence (mostly basketball IQ).

yisman · 03-19-09, 11:04 PM

They last lost in December.

I think they have a better chance at the Final Four than Oklahoma or Syracuse, for example.

They probably won't make it, but that's simply due to the odds against winning three straight games against quality teams.

ZBOIZ · 03-19-09, 11:06 PM

Atleast Oklahoma covered plus a lot more unlike GARBAGE MEMPHIS

yisman · 03-19-09, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

*incomprehensible screaming and frothing at the mouth*

There there. It's not as bad as it seems.

donjuan · 03-19-09, 11:22 PM

They are that much better than Oklahoma?

Um, yes.

ZBOIZ · 03-19-09, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Um, yes.

You guys are blind on Memphis just like the media.

Cal State should have proven that

yisman · 03-19-09, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

You guys are blind on Memphis just like the media.

put your money where your mouth is or shut up already.
Memphis doesn't suck.

donjuan · 03-20-09, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by ZBOIZ

You guys are blind on Memphis just like the media.

Cal State should have proven that

1k last longer Memphis vs Oklahoma? Let me know if you feel like backing up your inane drivel.

dwest718 · 03-20-09, 12:24 AM

Alright I'm not going to say that Memphis sucks. Unfortunately, I can not believe that I am actually agreeing with ZBoiz about something. As a disclaimer, I do have Memphis bowing out in the Sweet 16.

Anyone saying that Memphis is by far the best defensive team in the country and this validates that they're a legit national championship contender is an idiot. If Pitt (statistically ranked 34th) played USF 14 times and Providence twice in conference play they'd be ranked much higher defensively than they are now.

When teams like Virginia Tech, Penn St., Arizona, Auburn, etc could win the CUSA with a little bit of resistance from UAB and Tulsa, you can not say that Memphis is a great team. They lost to Georgetown, Xavier, and Syracuse and then played no one the rest of the season. I guess we'll see.

dwest718 · 03-20-09, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by donjuan

1k last longer Memphis vs Oklahoma? Let me know if you feel like backing up your inane drivel.

I wouldn't take that bet. Both bow out in the Sweet 16

yisman · 03-20-09, 12:33 AM

I think Memphis would beat OU 7 or 8 out of 10 times if they played.

I also think Memphis is clearly in the top 5 and OU is not.

LT Profits · 03-20-09, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by dwest718

Alright I'm not going to say that Memphis sucks. Unfortunately, I can not believe that I am actually agreeing with ZBoiz about something. As a disclaimer, I do have Memphis bowing out in the Sweet 16.

Anyone saying that Memphis is by far the best defensive team in the country and this validates that they're a legit national championship contender is an idiot. If Pitt (statistically ranked 34th) played USF 14 times and Providence twice in conference play they'd be ranked much higher defensively than they are now.

When teams like Virginia Tech, Penn St., Arizona, Auburn, etc could win the CUSA with a little bit of resistance from UAB and Tulsa, you can not say that Memphis is a great team. They lost to Georgetown, Xavier, and Syracuse and then played no one the rest of the season. I guess we'll see.

Are you calling ME an idiot? Memphis DOES have the best defense in the country as they lead the nation in ADJUSTED defensive efficiency, which is adjusted for schedule. This means that while their raw numbers are far and away the best in the country with the benefit of a soft schedule, they STILL held their opponents so far below their expected numbers that they still have the lowest defensive PPP after adjustment.

Chi_archie · 03-20-09, 12:52 AM

I've said it many many times in dec, jan, feb and now again in march after this horrible game against northridge... memphis is a good team, they are alternately over or under-rated.... there seems to be no middle ground with people...

I tend to think they have not proven anything yet.... so I guess I'm in the over-rated camp

outside of one game with zaga, they look like just and ordinary solid team... they are a

top 25 but no real clear cut reason to thinnk they would finish in the top 5 of the big east, let alone top 5 in the country....

could they make a deep run in the dance? sure alot of teams could... but its not a forgone conclusion... this year's memphis team is NOT last year's

the selection committee made it clear that they see the difference

dwest718 · 03-20-09, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Are you calling ME an idiot? Memphis DOES have the best defense in the country as they lead the nation in ADJUSTED defensive efficiency, which is adjusted for schedule. This means that while their raw numbers are far and away the best in the country with the benefit of a soft schedule, they STILL held their opponents so far below their expected numbers that they still have the lowest defensive PPP after adjustment.

Sorry LT... I was not attempting to direct my comment at you. I actually usually respect your insight and analysis much more so than that of many members on this site.

I can not find conference RPI #s but I really feel like the CUSA is still an incredibly overrated conference. This means that even though those #s are adjusted, they are still skewed. In my opinion, conferences other than the Big 6 better than the CUSA include: the A-10, CAA, Horizon, MVC, MWC, and WCC.

To qualify: Memphis is a good team. Memphis is as good as Oklahoma or better. However, Memphis would have finished 5th in the Big East this year.

donjuan · 03-20-09, 01:17 AM

I can not find conference RPI #s

Did you really just imply that RPI is more relevant than KenPom? LOL

Chi_archie · 03-20-09, 01:21 AM

RPI is apparently alot more relevant to the selection committee for seeding ect. then pom and polls for what its worth

dwest718 · 03-20-09, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by donjuan

Did you really just imply that RPI is more relevant than KenPom? LOL

No but KenPom doesn't rate conferences as a whole does he? I was trying to see how the CUSA stacked up against other "mid-major" conferences and I don't know/I'm too lazy/I'm too exhausted to try to do math. Conference RPI was the easiest way for me to do this especially since it better mirrors public sentiment and not actual "statistical reality."

Please reread my post to see that I said the CUSA is an incredibly overrated conference.

dwaechte · 03-20-09, 01:27 AM

I will never comprehend how people so uninformed can make such confident statements. Do the research, or keep to yourself.

I will admit however that Ive spoken out of my ass at times too, so maybe Im a hypocrite.

EDIT: This wasnt aimed at Archie or Dwest who seem to have some solid basis on which theyre forming their opinions. More just the "Memphis Suxx!!1!" crowd thats saying they cant make it out of the 2nd round.

donjuan · 03-20-09, 01:35 AM

No but KenPom doesn't rate conferences as a whole does he? I was trying to see how the CUSA stacked up against other "mid-major" conferences and I don't know/I'm too lazy/I'm too exhausted to try to do math. Conference RPI was the easiest way for me to do this especially since it better mirrors public sentiment and not actual "statistical reality."

Please reread my post to see that I said the CUSA is an incredibly overrated conference.

KenPom already adjusts for opponents. Why would some arbitrary conference rating matter?

LT Profits · 03-20-09, 01:39 AM

For the record, C-USA is ranked eighth.

kenpom.com subscription

http://kenpom.com/conf.php?y=2009&c=CUSA

Chi_archie · 03-20-09, 01:49 AM

fuk "adjusting" that is why they play the game....

all I know is that when memphis plays good teams they are average... when the other "top" teams in their conference play other mediocre teams in post season tourneys right now, they are looking bad....

I mean, we could have Illinois come and play my 7th and 8th grade boys team tomorrow and the rest of the teams in the league next week and "adjust" the results of those games and some computer might spit out results that says Illinois is the 8th best team in the nation after adjusting for SOS....but it really doesn't matter...

if you've played sports at any competive level, you realize that you can't perfectly extrapolate results/statistics for all events and predict future events using them.... there is a point where strict statistical models break down and fail to predict the complexity of the human being and a group of humans performance. If you've played sports, you realize that when you step up in levels somthing happens. what works real well against crappy team like Lamar or some Division I-AA team (full court press for instanct) will NOT work against a team with 2 future pros in their backcourt. there is not a linear progression model that "adjusts" for the difference in those levels.

just like you couldn't come up with "adjustments" to predict how USC would fare against the Oakland raiders.... its not just quantitative it is qualitative.... the players react completely differently physically, psychologically, emotionally in CLOSE game against a better team, then they would up 30 with 15 mins in the second half playing loose.