People of the same race can hate on each other, depends where they come from,where they live, beliefs, and that's only a few to mention.
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It won't be close
I wish, but it won't be . If you can get under 2.5 for Don bet it with your life
Just because a contract exists doesn't make it legal. That is what will be decided.
again just because someone signs a contract that doesn't mean the terms are legal. The interpretation of the bylaws they are using are very very vague. I have seen the entire nba owners agreement. This is far from cut and dry. HIS ECONOMIC INTERESTS ARE OF COURSE BEING AFFECTED HE IS TAKING A 300 million dollar tax hit by being forced to sell.
the law they are using to kick him out is very very vague. It's not like the law says "say racist statements to your girlfriend and we kick you out " LOL. Anyone who thinks this is going to be easy is way way off base. The only chance they have for a quick fight with Don is he looks and feels exhausted. Shelly won't be going that easyComment -
I disagree. First it's not a "law" they are using. It's an article written in their Constitution. The reason I disagree is because the Constitution lays out who determines whether or not the Constitution was broken. And that is the Board of Governors (aka the owners). He will not be presenting his case to a court. And the Constitution says that the Board of Governors decision is final, binding, and the owner waives the right to sue based on the decision. Also, the owners do not need to have proof of evidence and they can use any evidence that is provided to them. Basically the owners are the judge, jury, and executioner according to the Constitution.
He has no real legal recourse if the owners vote him out. He'd have to come up with some lawsuit that the Constitution he signed was illegal and violated some kind of state or federal law. But he definitely can't go to the courts and say that he didn't violate the Constitution because the Constitution gives the owners the right to determine whether or not he violated it.
Dude is done for.Comment -
Cuban is actually right and knows what he's talking about. I don't find anything what he said, offensive. If anybody else finds it offensive, that's his problem.Comment -
People are so weak in todays world
Its why some day America will be taken over
When names bother you its time to pack it in and jump off a bldComment -
Just as I expected. The Sterlings are going down without a fight. The NBA Constitution would have been impossible for Donald to beat.Comment -
he's lying he's not that scared. or maybe he is scared, idk
cuban is scared lmao
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FREE STERLING! lolComment -
It's not about prejudices. It is about statistics.
Avoid people who statistically are more likely to hurt you. It is common sense.
Hypothetically, if people who wear blue shirts were 4 times more likely to commit a violent crime than people who wear red shirts, wouldn't you avoid people with blue shirts?
Sadly, African Americans are 4 times more likely to commit crimes than whites. It is what it is.Comment -
Amazing people have to be afraid to talk about hoodies now LOL. But I understand him apologizing The language police are getting ridiculous but why have another headache. I am a person that was extremely anti Zimmerman That kid had no business dying that day
totally agree chalky
Why say on facebook? Why don't you use the exact example in play here? In a illegally recorded private conversation where only the parts the perpetrator wants you to hear are being played for the world? Also if you think people are going to stop watching the Detroit pistons or Milwaukee bucks because the clippers owner is racist you are out of touch.Comment -
Sterling for president!!!!!Comment -
It's not being afraid, it's being smart. When you are a billionaire owner and a public figure, you should be more considerate with your words especially when many NBA players took a stand with the "hoodies". Has no affect on my life, just was shocked that he said it knowing what many people would take from it. And of course the day after he apologizes to the Martin family. So it's not like I'm alone here.
Use the example of an "illegal" recording. Absolutely no difference. Just because you hook up with a conniving biatch who records your conversations does not change the fact you are a racist. If you are not racist in private, you'll never be one in public. And it's not really people watching. It is more advertising and marketing where companies would not want to be associated with an organization that keeps an individual as an owner who has those beliefs. It's hilarious how out of touch you are with reality.Why say on facebook? Why don't you use the exact example in play here? In a illegally recorded private conversation where only the parts the perpetrator wants you to hear are being played for the world? Also if you think people are going to stop watching the Detroit pistons or Milwaukee bucks because the clippers owner is racist you are out of touch.Comment -
It's sad that people like OP here missed the whole purpose of Cuban's interview about everyone stereotyping and only focus on one sentence about a black kid in a hoodie.
You're just proving how over sensitive our society is.Comment -
So you think being smart as more important then being honest? If you think this debate hurts MarK Cuban you are not half a smart as you think. As far as the NBA players "taking a stand "on hoodies LOL what exactly did they do? They were appalled by the death of Mr. Martin and took pictures ? So was I that POS Zimmerman idiot was a disgrace (that probably surprises some people) and I wish he was locked up. Taking a stand means drawing a line versus an enemy not doing a photo shoot, it's a military reference.
I have said this repeatedly, at least 50x since this story unfolded. I never said Don shouldn't be punished I just said the degree of punishment is ridiculous. I said the same thing about Michael Vick when the PETA people were protesting at jets camp because this year because of his past issues. I am a Hard core animal lover but I feel Vick has paid his debt, enough already. Just like a felt a 2 year suspension (which he prolly won't survive anyway) would have been sufficient.
I agree 100%
There is an obvious reason this is not looked at in America. Unfortunately certain honest discussions can not take place.Comment -
I have read virtually the entire NBA charter and absolutely all the relevant parts, the charter is far more vague then you think. This entire discussion by Cuban was a well thought out extensive revealing perspective from a high profile NBA owner and all you took from it was a hoodie reference. These are the reasons no one can have a discussion about race. akphidelt let me ask you a question, I seriously want to know your opinion. Would this be a racial act or a business decision?
Lets say the mavericks local network KTXA changed its affiliation to BET. Could Mark Cuban complain as a business person that BET is not the type of network that services the Dallas mavericks fans,advertisers, and target audience ? Could he attempt to void his contract and sign a deal elsewhere because the contract he signed was with a CBS network affiliate and reaches a broader audience and the BET affiliate did not reach his broader target audience?
I really would like to know your opinion on this. Is this a business decision? Racist? Both? Should he be allowed? Should he be punished ?Comment -
Well this isn't the 1800s any more. Taking a stand does not mean you have to get your pistols out and meet up at the saloon. I'm speaking about common sense. Just from a PR perspective, the second I read those comments I knew he'd get backlash for using "black kid in a hoodie" reference. Do I personally care that he said it, no... do I find it interesting what the rest of the PC community will do about it yes. And sure enough, within a day he apologized to the Martin family, so it was obvious that he got enough backlash that he realized he had to apologize. Just a bad choice of words in my opinion.
And, if this was an isolated incident or he just said one comment, I can see the punishment being too harsh. But he has a serious history of racist behavior, the 15 minute audio they released was brutal. Then his responses on national tv to Anderson Cooper was the nail in the coffin. The vote will be 29-1 if it even gets to that point. And the punishment is justified in my opinion.Comment -
In terms of kicking Sterling out... the Charter is not vague at all. In fact that's one of the reasons from the very beginning I said this was a done deal. It gives all the rights to the owners. The charges the NBA has to present to the owners is vague though.
Depends how he sold it. If he didn't want BET because the message it delivers to youths, etc, etc... then maybe he can get away with it. I personally think it would be dumb and there would be backlash, but definitely would come down to his reasons and how he portrays those reasons.Lets say the mavericks local network KTXA changed its affiliation to BET. Could Mark Cuban complain as a business person that BET is not the type of network that services the Dallas mavericks fans,advertisers, and target audience ? Could he attempt to void his contract and sign a deal elsewhere because the contract he signed was with a CBS network affiliate and reaches a broader audience and the BET affiliate did not reach his broader target audience?
I really would like to know your opinion on this. Is this a business decision? Racist? Both? Should he be allowed? Should he be punished ?Comment -
I've certainly looked at those before. While it is true that most violent crime is black on black crime and white on white crime, the reality is that for STRANGERS, black on white is the most common form of violent crime.
What that means is that people usually commit violence against people they know. That makes perfect sense.
But if you separate for only violent crimes against strangers, black on white violent crime is by far the most common.
I think the best thing to do in this discussion is to separate crimes where the people already know each other. I work with and know plenty of African Americans. I don't worry about them attacking me.
But when I go out in society and deal with people who I know nothing about except their skin color, it'd be preposterous to ignore the statistical odds of a stranger attacking me. I'll make my judgments based on skin color, how they are dressed, how they speak to me and other people, and any other useful information. Anyone who claims to ignore these things is stupid, lying, naive, or all three.Comment -
Yeah, some topics you just don't talk about to the media, because there are just too many people with different views on touchy subjects, and it will always bite you in the ass in the endComment -
This is a pretty entertaining thread, after all. Interwebs is the last "public" places where it is OK to be non-PC. Sure NBA has all the rights to kick Sterling out, according to their "constitution". You guys are also forgetting that Sterling has been despised for ~20 years by his fellows because he was dragging down the NBA product, while making a lot of money off luxury taxes paid by other owners.
However, what I found interesting is that virtually everybody, every media outlet, completely ignored the fact that it was a private, illegally-recorded conversation that was used in this broohaha. In a normal, free-speech society, that sh.t would be contained to tabloids. You need to also ask yourself, how long will it take before you, yourself, will not be free to stray from the party line even in the privacy of your home or risk being fired from your job, especially if your job is worth anything to somebody else. Cuban was the only public figure who tried to say something about that, but he sorta mumbled something and then started to apologize. That was actually pretty funny.Comment -
If someone made me a "FREE STERLING" T-Shirt. I'd wear it right in the city of Detroit.Comment -
The problem is that this leads to many important issues completely vanishing from public discourse and the decisions on those topics are then being made by the ultra-rich and connected. Basically, this has been happening over the past 20 years or so. The quality of life for common folks has been rapidly falling and the whole concept of American dream is becoming completely obsolete. The forecast is for the USofA to become more and more Brazilized, only with uglier women.Comment -
The quality of life in America is far greater than it was 20 years ago. The only thing that has changed is the Internet and the constant negative news that is shoved in everyone's throat on a minute by minute basis. If you had the Internet, social media, and up to the second news on everything happening throughout the world 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago, there were far sicker and more atrocious things happening to people. In fact violent crime has improved greatly over the past 20-30 years. People are much safer now. But the Internet makes it feel like a criminal is next to you at all times.Comment -
"Illegally obtained" is only a phrase for federal/state courts. The NBA does not have to worry about whether or not the evidence was illegally or legally obtained. In fact in their Constitution they specify that the owners do not have to have proof of evidence and they can take anything in consideration for their decisions.Comment -
The problem people don't look at in this situation is statistically there are far more black people who don't commit crimes than do commit crimes. So when you are saying that a black kid in a hoodie scares you, there are millions of black families, especially in the NBA, out there who have children that walk down the street and take offense to the fact that they are being subjected to this stereotype.
Don't get me wrong, from a personal view, at a poker table with friends, I completely agree. If I saw a black kid in my neighborhood with a hoodie walking down the street, I would immediately be on the alert. But that does not change the fact that when you are a billionaire owner of a publicly known franchise in a globally known organization, you should probably not tell people who you are scared of walking down the street as there are far more people that aren't criminals than that are that you might be insulting.Comment
