Its All Over Online Gambling Banned (Thread from '06)

[jjgold]

According to a guy at MW

"The Port bill has passed the Senate & House with the iGaming bill included.

The iGaming bill included is in the original language of the House bill that passed w/the carve-outs included for horseracing & lotteries.

What they said was that the Senate would deem the bill passed if it got back thru the House, it just now did, and Rep Hastert is saying it will go to the president's desk for signing. "

[jjgold]

I am going to shake every online book owners hand and tell them all great job and it has been a great run, loved betting with your book and had many fun times. I wish you luck in the future. I will also shake ever posters hand on all the forums that I have interacted with and tell them it was a blast and I learned lots from you boys and girls.

America Sucks Dick and I am embarassed to be American.

The USA gov't sucks dick too

Mario Dolbin

[slash]

Yeah, probably the most useless government in the world. You attack innocent countries all over the world in the hunt for oil, and you ban online gambling. What a joke.

[Santo]

"It's all over".. not really like JJ to exaggerate..

Oh wait.

[JohnnyBoy928]

huh???? USA is still the best country in this world....I am proud to be an American anyday. but this is just rough times. Damn republicans and their Christian Coalitian groups... or should I say cult... Hey all is fair in love and war....

[Santo]

"USA is still the best country in the world"..

Where's that silly laughing dog when you need him

[JohnnyBoy928]

"USA is still the best country in the world"..

Where's that silly laughing dog when you need him

shit... WE HAVE THE NFL...

Nuff Said...

[slash]

I thought Denmark was the best place to stay in the world, until our prime minister started running around with his head deep up the ass of Bush...

[nyplayer33]

Honestly its a wait and see with this one. I think in the end, it will matter little to the determinded bettor/investor. My view is it was just to clarify the position of what is legal and illegal and to make those very transactions more difficult. The sky is not falling.

[Brick Tamland]

i agree. still 100% legal to bet by ineternet

[hanco21]

Odds on tradesports went from 4/1 to 1/6 overnight. Doesn't look good.

[mad]

Go out and buy a 7.5L V8.

[Cyclone]

Wait and See

I worked for one of the bank regulatory agencies for over 16 years. If you look at the law carefully, it says that the US government will create a list of gambling websites. Presumably, this will include Pinnacle, Mansion, PartyPoker, etc. If you go to a bank and try to wire funds to someone on the list, the bank is supposed to say no. That's it. I can't think of any reason why the websites cannot create an account under another name, such as "ABC Company". They could change the name every few weeks. I can't believe that our government (remember, I used to work there) will be able to keep up.

The law has no effect on foreign banks or entities such as Neteller. The question is, will they cooperate with the law, or will they just wink at it?

There are millions of people in the United States that play poker, gamble in casinos, and bet on sports on the Internet. I would think that some way will be found around this.

Many times Congress will pass a law just to make it look like they are doing something, even though they know it really won't change anything. I saw that firsthand several times myself. Hopefully, this will be one of those times.

[JoshW]

GOP Aims to Crack Down on Web Gambling

By NANCY ZUCKERBROD
The Associated Press
Saturday, September 30, 2006; 2:35 AM



WASHINGTON -- Congressional Republicans attached a measure cracking down on Internet gambling to a bill aimed at enhancing port security that passed Saturday.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., pushed for the gambling provision to be added to the larger bill.

Online gambling is generally illegal in most circumstances, but it is something that is difficult to enforce. The new measure tackles that by prohibiting gamblers from using credit cards, checks and electronic fund transfers to settle their online wagers.

"The enforcement provision provided by this bill will go a long way to stop these illegal online operations," Kyl said late Friday.

Kyl and Frist previously tried unsuccessfully to put the measure on a bill authorizing funding for the military, but critics said the Defense Department bill was no place for the gambling measure.

Similarly, Democrats complained Friday that Republicans had used the port security bill as a vehicle for other GOP-backed measures.

The House passed a version of the Internet gambling bill in July, but the Senate has taken no action on similar legislation.

Frist, eyeing a 2008 presidential bid, recently discussed the online gambling provision in the politically important state of Iowa. He also called it a legislative priority in a recent speech on the Senate floor.

"Congress has grappled with this issue for 10 years, and during that time we've watched this shadow industry explode," Frist said in a statement Friday. "For me as majority leader, the bottom line is simple: Internet gambling is illegal."

The measure's supporters include the National Football League as well as conservative and antigambling groups. Some banking groups have lobbied against it.

Federal officials have made recent arrests involving offshore companies operating Internet gambling sites. The Internet gambling industry is headquartered almost entirely outside the United States although many of its customers live in the U.S.

The new gambling provision is not expected to affect gambling at tracks or casinos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000166.html

[JoshW]

Amazed to see this happen. Hasn't been the best year for online sportsbooks or more so for players. :|

[Tricky]

.Many times Congress will pass a law just to make it look like they are doing something, even though they know it really won't change anything.

Exactly.

[tblues2005]

If there is a will there is a way!

My opinion is the casinos online will find a way to get around this new bill without a doubt. They can have you send to Neteller then send you to someone else, then it will get into your account, that is what I think is going to happen. It wouldn't suprise me if the US govenment makes a deal with the top rated books online and don't mess with them, I think the US govenment is going after the ones that don't pay the customers back. I believe the governments of say the UK and Austraila where is books like this too could make life miserable on the US also by doing some kind of boycott on some goods as a protest to this. This does affect alot of jobs in them other countries and it might hurt the economies of them also, so I just think theres going to be changes on how the operate. The US goverment just made life more difficult for gamblers, but I always say if there is a will there is a way and these casinos will find a way to get around it, they are not stupid.

[hanco21]

I emailed neteller today with my concerns and this is the email they sent me.
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Thank you for your inquiry. I would like to remind you first, that NETELLER is an online money transfer service, not a gaming site; However, I do have the following information to offer you.

In the event that the new proposed U.S. internet gambling bill is passed we want to assure you that we do not anticipate any impact on your ability to transact through your NETELLER account.

Please feel free to contact the VIP department at any time as it is always best to keep yourself informed as to updates and changes to any particular payment services we offer.

I understand that you may have further questions in regards to this matter. For more detailed advice in regards to this bill you may contact our compliance department at compliance@neteller.com and they will be more then happy to assist you .

Thank you for your patience and cooperation in regards to this matter.

Regards,

Natalie Lansing
Account Representative

VIP Member Services

NETELLER

[Chuck Sims]

Cyclone, even if NT says FU to the USA and continues to send EFT's stateside, would it not be then blocked? NT will the government's #1 target.

[jjgold]

maybe ******* will still work

[Cyclone]

Chuck, you have a good question. The law does not apply directly to Neteller, since they are not a United States entity. They don't even have a US facility, so there is no place to serve a subpoena. They may decide to go along with the law, just to avoid trouble. They may decide to ignore the law. I think it will be difficult for the US government to do much besides ask them to comply. Their business involves more than casinos, so you can't really stop all their US transactions. You would have to politely ask them to stop the casino transactions, but not much more beyond that can happen (I think).

There is another way to transfer money called http://www.technocash.com/ With them, you have money in an account in the US, New Zealand, or Australia (and maybe some other choices). They will send a check on your behalf to anyone you want. Why not send a check through them to Neteller, or whoever?

[Dark Horse]

Don't panic...

We just need to identify the problem spots and find the solutions for them. Lot of unclarity at the moment. Just keep a clear head and enjoy the games.

(Most of us are well aware that the US is run by criminal politicians. The list of their offenses against the People is long, and the gambling bill is but a small addition. Keep the faith. We'll nail them one day).

[goldengoat]

so internet gambling is bad but gambling on lotteries and horsetracks is ok

no hypocrisy there

U.S. corrupt politicans can't stand all that gambling money going outside the u.s.

i'm sure that fuckface got a huge payoff for backing that bill like the corrupt piece of shit he is

ethics has nothing to do with this and for those cocksucks to say so is an insult

"For me as majority leader, the bottom line is simple: Internet gambling is illegal."

**** you and your bottom line. where is your reasoning? burn in hell you nazi.

[jjgold]

I guess there are ways around this and books will think of safe ways but I would only do it with really strong books.

[Dark Horse]

With a little imagination we could turn this piece of toilet paper legislation against the politicians, who wipe their arses with the Constitution and Geneva Convention, to name just two of their favorite brands.

Make internet gambling a form of Civil Disobedience. Bring all your friends on board. Doesn't matter how much they bet. We could start a revolution here... T-shirts, flags, stickers, caps, the whole thing. Guerilla gamblin', baby!!

Did they ever pick the wrong crowd to intimidate!

"I ain't folding... , [middle finger]
so what are you holding?"

[Dead Money]

My biggest fear is not the us government, it is the Sportbooks refusing our action out of fear of the US govt.

I am a member of a few online casinos, and in the last month alone, Williamhill, Littlewoods, and atleast one or two more( can't remember the names) have closed my accounts, and returned any balances i have to me because I live in the USA.

Unreal

[RabidDog]

Most books would go under with out US customers.. Those ones you mentioned catered to European players, with some US customers on the side..

[durito]

I usually fedex checks to pinnacle, unless the gov't is planning on searching fedex's to curaco, I don't see how they can stop this.

I'm planning on moving to another country in the next year or two anyway. Maybe I'll open a bank for US gamblers.

[McBa1n]

Welp, we have at least 270 days left in the sun, from what I understand out of the legislation...
Lets hope for some battles in court, it's altogether possible that this could happen (not sure on the odds).
Thank god football season won't be impacted =)
(heh, i'm looking for any silver lining here).

[Kdawg]

mcba1n -- where do you get that # 270 days from? does the legislation specify a date when this take effect??

[ourbet]

With a little imagination we could turn this piece of toilet paper legislation against the politicians, who wipe their arses with the Constitution and Geneva Convention, to name just two of their favorite brands.

Make internet gambling a form of Civil Disobedience. Bring all your friends on board. Doesn't matter how much they bet. We could start a revolution here... T-shirts, flags, stickers, caps, the whole thing. Guerilla gamblin', baby!!

Did they ever pick the wrong crowd to intimidate!

"I ain't folding... , [middle finger]
so what are you holding?"

Great post Dark Horse and with such a catchy tag ("Guerilla gamblin'") you should put it on a T-shirt. I'd buy one from you!

In a sleazy, PC ridden land, that justifies murder for oil, you know if your movement does build-up any head of steam – the media won’t be calling you Guerilla Gamblers; they’ll be calling you “Inside Insurgents” instead!

“Land of the free”; what a fcuking joke.

[McBa1n]

Actually, I'm wrong - it's dependant on banks enforcing the law, which will take, according to experts, a minimum of 100 days AFTER Bush signs it to law (Likely by a week from Tuesday).
The bill calls for compliance within the 270 days (if I read correctly).

Also - from what I understand - it deals ONLY with 'taking money to be put on the act of wagering'. It says nothing about people cashing out. In terms to us - if you have money in, you're fine. You just won't be able to reload money through your intermediary (like Neteller). However, there's nothing that says you can't cash money out of Neteller.

So, there is a tiny bit of hope.
Additionally - the government CANNOT watch your ip activity for purposes of this law. It deals with the banks/sites that take your money. As long as you don't tell anyone what you're doing - you should be fine, assuming you have money in.

It's going to take more time to pick through the legislation, but that is the best I can decifer right now. The 2+2 publishing forums have some good threads on this topic - but the problem is, 95% of the people discussing the issue are either a-morons or b-have no comprehension skills... So it's best to take things with an open mind.

It will take time,anyway, to find out all the details and how it relates to us. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but it looks bad - but not fatal, necessarily.

[Dead Money]

I know that most of the places that I wager at have a racebook.

Who is to say that i did not win all that money wagering on horses? Five Dimes has that lottery game too. That's where I won that money. I am totally ashamed of theese "assclowns" that our elected into the house and senate to represent us.

What a freakin joke. Pathetic.

[HAPPY BOY]

As an American I get so sick of watching my country do crap like this. Where are our priorities. We have 9-11 so we attack the wrong country. Evry law seems to be taking away more and more freedoms under the guise of homeland security and the alleged "WAR on Terror" and now some right wing smucks want to ban internet gambling. Hey U.S. get off my dick!! I will die for my country I will fight for its name, but Ill be damned if Im gonna let the blood many of our boys shed for freedom be washed down a sewer . A Former Republican and Now a New Independant!!!

[tacomax]

As an American I get so sick of watching my country do crap like this.

It's not just America - all countries do this. In the UK, there was a million people protesting against the invasion in Iraq but the UK still voted Tony Blair back in power in the next election.

"No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in."

I am an anarchist (but I'm not an anti-christ).