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Just feel sympathy for the CS reps having to answer these calls from supposed big bettors who know all sports. I couldn't imagine some of the hilarious calls they'll be getting today. Guys with accounts for 5 years+ and they still don't have a clue about the rules of the sport they're betting. It's not like they're hidden... READ THEM!!! Fricken Pinny has the same rule ffs
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Unless the Over/Under was 3.5 then it should not be graded. I think you're missing something here. Go back and reread all my posts and notice the word IMPOSSIBLE. When a score is 2-2 the final score could end up 13-12 OR it could end up 3-2. Meaning that BOTH the Over OR the Under could still occur. When a score is 7-7 it is IMPOSSIBLE(notice this word again) for the Under to occur. Does this make sense yet?Comment -
First off.... they should not pay Overs and refund Unders. Overs should be graded as Wins and Unders should be graded as Losses. As it is right now bettors have an added edge by betting the Under in any game that has a dubious weather forecast because they can always hope that their game gets suspended or postponed. Even when the Over hits they still get their money back if it rains.Comment -
That's been the rule for 1000 years, sucks, but every total player must know going in that a total wager must go 8.5 innings.
Listen, I had major coin on the over in that Pitt game too, I don't like accpeting the push, but rules are rules.
Like Drinker said, if it was 1-1 and the game was called, and you were on the over, you'd be doing the jig.
It all evens out in the end though if you gamble long enough.
@John above me, your point is valid, and makes sense, but the powers that be will never change the total rules.
How many times has an overtime saved your over bets in foots?
Same principle.
People don't complain when you are sitting on an over 43.5 total in a NCAA football game, and it's 21-21 at the end of regulation.
What's the great Michael Hutchens INXS line "sometimes you kick, and sometimes you get kicked"Comment -
What books do you play at? BetOnline does for sure. I'm nearly certain that Heritage does. I'm nearly certain that 5Dimes does. I'm pretty sure Bovada does. I actually think it's a good thing when Books do this when it is impossible for the result to be changed. If you have Under 2.5 Receptions on a Receiver and he already has 3 Receptions why should the Book wait until the game is over to grade your wager? It's already going to be a Win or Loss regardless of what happens in the rest of the game.Comment -
Like I said before, when the score is 1-1 the result is still in question. In this case all wagers should be cancelled. When the score is 7-7 the outcome is not in question. The Overs should be graded as Wins and the Unders should be graded as Losses. As far as overtimes go... the result is still in question. I would only be mad if I had Over 40.5 and the game was 21-21 and went into Overtime and in Overtime they cancelled the game because of bad weather and therefore graded my wager as a Push. Would that make sense?Comment -
Why is that a problem? International books do what the bettors in this thread that didn't know the Vegas rule assumed would be the case.
From Bet365
Game Total, Team Totals, 3-Way Totals and Alternative Game Totals - Subject to 8 ½ innings rule EXCEPT where the total has already gone over, (if total has already gone over the quoted total, then bets on the over will be settled as winners, with bets on the under settled as losers) or where the natural conclusion of the game would have meant the outcome of the total quoted would be determined, e.g. MLB game is called, or suspended at 5-5, bets on Game Totals of Over 10 or 10.5 would be settled as winners, with bets on Under 10 or 10.5 being settled as losers, since any natural conclusion to the match would have at least 11 runs..Comment -
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5 Dimes finally got around to refunding all totals.Comment -
Quick question for everyone. Lets say you bet Over 40.5 on an NFL game. At halftime the score is 24-21. Do you think it would be a good thing or bad thing for the Books to grade the Over/Under wagers before the game is over?Comment -
Same principles apply...A game must go 55 minutes for it to be considered an official game...I see what you are saying and I feel ya but dems da breaks!...here is Heritage's disclaimer and rules concerning football:
- Any postponed, suspended, or rescheduled events will be considered no action. Overtime periods are counted in the final score of both college and professional games. For second-half wagers, overtime is included as part of the second-half for sides and totals wagers. Overtime is not included on wagers for fourth quarter sides or totals. For wagering purposes the game must go at least 55 minutes of play.
- If play is suspended before the completion of 55 minutes and not resumed the same day, all bets on the full game will be graded as no action and all monies refunded. If part of the game has finished (i.e. first quarter, first half, second quarter, or third quarter) those bets will be graded as action, provided the entire period has finished.
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my book grades it after 5 innings if total has gone over but if other books arnt paying maybe theyll change their rules doesnt bother me i hardly ever play overs/undersComment -
So I bet on the Pirates ML Monday (game 1), game was played, suspended until the next day, Pirates win. (The next day; game 1). And I don't get paid.
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This also happens in soccer. Games are abandoned due to fan violence, a couple weeks ago in Sweden, and all bets were voided. It's good for the bettor to have bets voided if the game is not completed even if a total has theoretically went over before the game ended.Comment -
my bet use to be refunded for that pork chop but now my book pays out probably because of complaints, books in usa total different rules than where im fromComment -
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ok my book paid out the over but i dont think after 5inns just checked and and unders loses il look for the rulesComment -
btw isnt the rule if a bet is suspended for 1 day bet is still valid more than one day bets void?Comment -
I can see both sides of the issue. How to deal with suspended games? Two logical ways:
a) If the bet is already decided, consider it win/loss. If not, cancel.
b) If game has not reached a minimum, all bets are cancelled.
I am leaving out the possibility of counting the resume the game in any time, as it would open a can of worms. Between the two listed choices, the first looks more logical. Certainly, the over may have a very slight edge, but it would be very easy to factor in the price.
I understand the logic of current Las Vegas rule, just think that for trying to be fair (not alowing advantage to over on suspended games) they end looking unfair on this cases.
BTW, the same happens with 2-legs teasers. Las Vegas rule is "push reduce, in 2 legs, a push in one leg means push of entire bet, irregardless of result of the other leg". (Some unfair books grade push-loss as loss). For me, the most fair rule in 2 team teasers when one leg pushes is revert it to a "1-team teaser", paying -262 if wins. Of course, that line cannot be offered openly, but in the rare case of pushes it is fair.Comment -
ok cheers manComment
