So game postponed while tied after 7

[NYSportsGuy210]

I believe it's... game must go full 9 innings on the day it was scheduled. So if the game was postponed or suspended... it technically would happen next day... and all wagers would be refunded.

Wait so what if a game starts 10 pm PT or 9 pm ET or PT and ends after midnight (the next day) because say it goes extra innings or is just a really long and high scoring game? Do those bets get cancelled? The answer is no they don't....so how is this any different?

[Da Manster!]

well, best advice I can give is next time one wagers on a total in MLB be sure to check the weather forecast!...

[BigDaddy]

It's suspended. Only totals are voided. All other bets are still active.

lol

[stuler]

Bummer but is what it is

#: 2471619 Apr 14 07:05 PM Apr 14 07:10 PM Apr 14 09:40 PM Apr 14 08:05 PM

MLB MLB MLB MLB

PARLAY (4 TEAMS) [901] ATLANT -128 ( ACTION ) [905] TOTAL o7½-110 (PITTSB vrs CINCIN) ( W RODRIGUEZ -L / H BAILEY -R ) [909] NY MET +116 ( ACTION ) [915] SEATTL +110 ( ACTION )

100.00 / 1442.50

707.98

WIN WIN N/A CANCEL WIN WIN

04/14/2014 04:11 PM

[SBR Contests]

Guys, because of the game being suspended Totals/RL wagers are voided and since the game did go more than 4.5 innings but we have a tie, the game was cancelled and your betpoints have been refunded.

[InTheDrink]

You should be able to Win OR Lose a suspended game if it is impossible for the result to be changed. Everyone who had the Over on tonight's game should get paid. AND everyone who had the Under on tonight's game should lose.

lol

so what if the game was 2-2...you never answered that....should the under win and the over lose?

[InTheDrink]

Wait so what if a game starts 10 pm PT or 9 pm ET or PT and ends after midnight (the next day) because say it goes extra innings or is just a really long and high scoring game? Do those bets get cancelled? The answer is no they don't....so how is this any different?

this might be the dumbest post ever on the internet

[superbowl3056]

I bet at 5dimes, I had the over as well as the Reds... my Reds bet got cancelled, but my over bet is still pending... any chance they count it a winner? I feel like if they were going to cancel it they would have done so already

[LT Profits]

i misread the original post and where i bolded...apologies

anyway would you agree that if the score was 2-2 when it was ppd that theyd have to call it no action? of course you would

this means that there would be a possibly significant edge to any over bettor for every game with questionable weather in the forecast

the correct response is to throw out every game that doesnt finish

In The Drink explained it best.

If they paid out Overs and refunded Unders, bettors would have an added edge by betting the Over in any game that had a dubious weather forecast.

[LT Profits]

It's suspended. Only totals are voided. All other bets are still active.

False. Money Lines are graded as Push with 7-7 final. Totals and Run Lines are refunded. This game is over for betting purposes, whatever happens when the game is completed Tuesday has no bearing on the bet.

[LT Profits]

When is game going to be completed?

I have Reds

Your bet is already a Push, see Post #45.

[InTheDrink]

In The Drink explained it best.

If they paid out Overs and refunded Unders, bettors would have an added edge by betting the Over in any game that had a dubious weather forecast.

thanks LT....i cant see what they dont get so i actually came in here waiting to see if you explained it better

heres a question....whats the difference between a refunded bet and a push?

[jjgold]

pushing is winning LT profits

I will take it

[LT Profits]

Wait so what if a game starts 10 pm PT or 9 pm ET or PT and ends after midnight (the next day) because say it goes extra innings or is just a really long and high scoring game? Do those bets get cancelled? The answer is no they don't....so how is this any different?

Because that is one continuous game, as would it be considered a continuous game with rain delays that are resumed without having to resume the game the next day (or later same day if it is already after Midnight). Basically, if a game is completed with teams not having to leave the stadium and come back, it counts.

[LT Profits]

thanks LT....i cant see what they dont get so i actually came in here waiting to see if you explained it better

heres a question....whats the difference between a refunded bet and a push?

No difference from a betting perspective. But for guys that have rollovers, the Push usually counts toward rollover whereas the refunds are "No Action" as if the game was never played.

[InTheDrink]

No difference from a betting perspective. But for guys that have rollovers, the Push usually counts toward rollover whereas the refunds are "No Action" as if the game was never played.

nice

[simon2012]

I'm with bet365 and they have counted this as a win

[LT Profits]

I'm with bet365 and they have counted this as a win

Euro books don't count. I am talking about USA facing books, all of which adhere to the Vegas standard as I described.

[simon2012]

Euro books don't count. I am talking about USA facing books, all of which adhere to the Vegas standard as I described.

Sorry mis understood

[LT Profits]

Sorry mis understood

Don't be sorry, my bad for not clarifying "USA facing" from the outset.

[twestacott]

I bet at 5dimes, I had the over as well as the Reds... my Reds bet got cancelled, but my over bet is still pending... any chance they count it a winner? I feel like if they were going to cancel it they would have done so already

Same situation...... my 5Dimes OVER is still pending but my Pit ML was cancelled. I can only hope this means they will honor the OVER once the game is completed.

[Optional]

Euro books don't count. I am talking about USA facing books, all of which adhere to the Vegas standard as I described.

Why do you think this rule is needed?

And why do you think its considered reasonable for USA facing books to rule his way when internationals don't, and when you can see from this thread even regular American bettors think it's counter-intuitive?


Vegas rules say its just fine for books to pay less than true odds on US sport parlays.

Vegas rules say bettors should automatically bet more on a favorite regardless of edge.

Vegas rules seem to be written by PT Barnum with the sucker born every minute idea in his head at the time.

[LT Profits]

Why do you think this rule is needed?

And why do you think its considered reasonable for USA facing books to rule his way when internationals don't, and when you can see from this thread even regular American bettors think it's counter-intuitive?


Vegas rules say its just fine for books to pay less than true odds on US sport parlays.

Vegas rules say bettors should automatically bet more on a favorite regardless of edge.

Vegas rules seem to be written by PT Barnum with the sucker born every minute idea in his head at the time.

My opinion doesn't matter. I guess I have learned to live with it as I have been betting for nearly 40 years and this has always been the rule. As for why rule is in place, as described, rule is in the books to stop Over bettors from effectively freeloading if weather forecast indicates strong possibility that game will be shortened.

[LT Profits]

Vegas rules say bettors should automatically bet more on a favorite regardless of edge.

This part is not true, you can always tailor the "To Win" amount to make the "Risk" what you need it to be.

[Optional]

My opinion doesn't matter. I guess I have learned to live with it as I have been betting for nearly 40 years and this has always been the rule. As for why rule is in place, as described, rule is in the books to stop Over bettors from effectively freeloading if weather forecast indicates strong possibility that game will be shortened.

I wasn't pinning the blame on you LT Just looking for a reasonable explanation as to why such a 'strange' rule.

I don't understand how any side of a total bet gains a weather advantage if the 9+ innings are completed the next day?

I agree its normal for total bets to be canceled if an event is shortened... or for a rule that says if the match is not completed within 48 or 72 hours all bets voided.

But just can't see any obvious logical reason why there is a rule for baseball that says a delay to finish next day voids bets, including those that could not lose should the game complete normally.

Guess it's just the way things are as you say. Unless there is a baseball scenario I am not thinking of that makes this rule make sense.

[Optional]

This part is not true, you can always tailor the "To Win" amount to make the "Risk" what you need it to be.

Ok not a rule, but a standard practice bettors have been trained to follow.

I recall the first time I ran across American style odds and did a google search to get an explanation. I clearly recall reading "it's considered good etiquette to pay the books vig when betting -odds".

Good bloody etiquette i thought to myself? Who would be silly enough to follow that suggestion I thought to myself... before I realized most US bettors do it. Even the sharp ones.

[unluckysob]

Who grades props before completion of game?---No book I ever played at.

This may be true. However, many Sportsbooks will grade your wagers as a loss before the game is over if it is impossible for the result to be changed. Example, lets say I have a wager for Under 2.5 receptions for a Receiver. If that Receiver gets 3 receptions in the first quarter many Sportsbooks will grade this wager as a loss even before halftime. If there was a terrorist attack in the 3rd quarter I don't see how anyone could complain that their wager was graded as a loss.

[calmeat]

Because of that little clause "game must go 9 innings for action".

The thing is, is the game is going to go 9 inning they are finishing the game today. So in reality that game should still be action since game was only suspended and not completed yet.

I dont have totals on this one i have PIT. 5dimes cancelled my play on it which im ok with right now but if pit wins ill be contacting them to get my win haha.

[LT Profits]

The thing is, is the game is going to go 9 inning they are finishing the game today. So in reality that game should still be action since game was only suspended and not completed yet.

I dont have totals on this one i have PIT. 5dimes cancelled my play on it which im ok with right now but if pit wins ill be contacting them to get my win haha.

Fact that game is being completed today is irrelevant for MLB (unlike other sports as Optional correctly alluded to), the game is already in the books as a 7-7 6-inning final for betting purposes. It is what it is, it is not like there is some sinister conspiracy or anything. And again, I am talking about USA facing, which 5 Dimes certainly is (hint to those still showing Over as Pending, it will be refunded). Euro books have their own rules and I do not know if there is a standard among them.

[NYSportsGuy210]

lol

so what if the game was 2-2...you never answered that....should the under win and the over lose?

This by far the stupidest post on this thread.

[NYSportsGuy210]

Because that is one continuous game, as would it be considered a continuous game with rain delays that are resumed without having to resume the game the next day (or later same day if it is already after Midnight). Basically, if a game is completed with teams not having to leave the stadium and come back, it counts.

See that is a better explanation to my question....but the rules don't state that. They state the "game must go a full 9 innings" part only.

[LT Profits]

See that is a better explanation to my question....but the rules don't state that. They state the "game must go a full 9 innings" part only.

I was referring to the "must be competed on scheduled date" part. It is OK for a game to run past Midnight to get nine innings in as long as teams are not sent home. But once a game is suspended, the game is deemed final for betting purposes and the full 9 innings were not played.

[NYSportsGuy210]

I was referring to the "must be competed on scheduled date" part. It is OK for a game to run past Midnight to get nine innings in as long as teams are not sent home. But once a game is suspended, the game is deemed final for betting purposes and the full 9 innings were not played.

Again the part where the "teams go home" is never stated in any rules. 5Dimes is still counting the OVER-UNDER bet as pending just to prove my point. SBR Sportsbook dropped the ball on this one.

[LT Profits]

Again the part where the "teams go home" is never stated in any rules. 5Dimes is still counting the OVER-UNDER bet as pending just to prove my point. SBR Sportsbook dropped the ball on this one.

5 Dimes will give refund, don't hold your breath on getting paid.

And 5 Dimes DOES have the Vegas standard explicitly stated in its own rules:

All regular season and exhibition baseball games are considered official after 5 innings of play (4½ if the home team is winning). If a game is called or suspended after 5 innings, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning of play – unless the home team scores to tie or takes the lead in the bottom half of the inning, in that case, the winner is then determined by the score at the time the game is called. When betting on baseball totals or run-lines, the game must go 9 innings (8½ if the home team is winning).

[LT Profits]

And nobody "dropped the ball", this has been the industry standard forever, it pops up a couple of times per year and yet it is rather amazing that so many people STILL do not know the rule.